And how does that relate to you saying that to me? I stated the lag was bad, someone said they don't see the problem with it and I stated why it's a problem. That's not an attack on Sarah or Alumni. I know the problems of Graal, I have for many years and its been the same for 10+ years.

people from eu lag sometimes
welcome to graal

That's not what people are saying at all. Lag has always been a problem with graal and how it handles it.

It will FOREVER be a discussion

I never related it to you , my reply was to clops because he stated that Sarah lags all the time ... Your the one that managed to some how forcefully relatedit to your point and created a massive confusion ...
I never said it's ok to lag esessively I simply said Sarah rarely lags if
Lags at all .

No you replied to me with your confusing comment.

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Saber Alumba is as relatable as Antago. I Don't understand what he's talking about.

GST won't be fun for me if I have to play against a team who has more delay than the already bad server delay.

Since I've been back 6-7 months ago I've seen Sarah not lag TWICE (I commented on it to her both times).

Now, given that statement, her delay is very consistent in how far behind she is, she rarely ever warps (at least for me) and is actually a good sparrer with or without lag, so I actually have a lot of fun sparring her, especially compared to some of the laggy kids who just run and c style to force an annoying 5 min spar.

I can see how some people can find it annoying though and It's a discussion that people have every right to have (especially compared to some of the idiotic discussions I've seen pass through this forum since I've been back). Not sure why people (not necessarily you, Saber) are getting salty about this when just 5 minutes ago I read a 2 page long discussion about Qes' apparent obsession with Alumni in this very thread.

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I replied to clops and you brought up a irelevant point of Sarah lagging once at gs when my point was that she rarely lags and I said you can't judge how often she lags from one experience , then you muffled it all up bringing up how excessive lag isn't fair when I never mentioned it bring fair.

You're on the Mixed side so you won't need to worry about that

You're not understanding.

The main comment I am talking about which I don't understand at all is:

http://i.imgur.com/s8kF9KY.png

It makes no sense. That is the center of what I've been talking about.

I don't have anything against any delayers I just think they have the upper advantage where non delayers have to be hitting 2 blocks away from them to make a hit, let's be for real if Sarah did not have her delay would she have the same spar score? Highly doubt it (once again I have nothing against delayers at all)

Sorry not everyone is fortunate to live close to the server to have perfect connection to it

Can we have a temporary server for the GST?

PLEASE. That would be the best solution but the chances of Toonslab actually allocating a second server to GST regardless of how much it would improve the experience is slim to none unfortunately.

Highly doubt that lol, someone told me they put money into the servers doubt that they would put money into another one if they can't even take care of the ours

James this is the last time I explain this before I have to draw out a picture for you ok ?

Clops said that Sarah always lags , I said I sparred her many times and disagree ( I think she rarely lags ). You come in and say I wasn't around when you was sparring ( where she was supposedly lagging ) and I replied you can't judge how often she lags from the one time your referring to where she happened to be a bit laggy. Do you understand yet??

I am done jesus mother of god.

As amazing as this would make gst for everyone , I don't think they wouldn't do it

FINALLY !

Pretty sure Sarah is good with physics so maybe she can discover a breakthrough in quantum entanglement and make quantum internet a reality and then all European and Asian players can get 1-10 ping to the server in Texas

The only advantage delayers had was to win .5 vs .5 in a tie hit which isn't the case anymore. Please explain to me how are delayers advantaged when what they see on their screen is exactly to what you see on your screen? The problem is non delayers tend to hit where they see their opponent is and not where he's actually at and they do that repeadtly I don't get why? I don't have a problem sparring delayers, you will say that I'm a delayer, yes but me sparring delayers is exactly the same to a non delayer sparring a delayer.

@ relic how's that possible that you say you have only seen me NOT lagging twice and then say I rarely lag? Lag= warp and my screen is clear 90% of the time so no way I'm warping.

She should apply for lead graal dev, game needs some fixin'

Ty for the great laugh,laughed so hard u made Anzio spar better

It's more realistic than us getting a server for the GST

Prediction:
Alumni winning both.

LMFAO, Megan that's your answer about the Gst server u always wanted

Delay and Lag = different (you know that)

Today was both of those combined.

Best example I got: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJyIvVPS0eI

When this happens it's 50/50 chance, like I stated it becomes a game where you don't know how you won or lost. That isn't sparring, it's not a knock on the player but the game and the flaws of sparring in these circumstances but people fail to realize it and that particular topic gets drowned out by people who don't understand it.

When that happens people will complain, it's inevitable because it's not fun.

Sarah I like how confident u can be but like fr don't get too confident cuz that usually makes u look bad if u do lose, just a tip lol

James u still going on about that when nobody cares bro<3

This is only funny until the moment you realise this statement it probably true lol

Because it is true

Because that's what the conversation is about bro <3

But the conversation ended about it :0 <3 everybody left it behind now it's your turn fam

No it hasn't?

I never said that we will win, it's a "prediction" and even if we lose its not a big deal.
You didn't comment on VIS predicting themselves.

Me and Sarah have talked about this on player for a laugh, LMAO. Theoretically possible but It's a hell of a long way off.

2 different kinds of lag: warp and delay. You delay, which is easier to deal with if It's consistent and how far behind you are isn't constantly changing, which is your case. I've only seen you warp a handful of times.

Lol Double negative okay.

Wth are you talking about? Lol

I've suggested this before, a lag cap for sparring. To account for the server lag we can fluctuate the cap with relations to the amount of people online. This can be accomplished by taking a survey of peoples average ms and then the ms they have when 4000+ people are online.
People with 'hitboxes' that aren't even close to their characters (really bad delay) and have constant lag ruins the idevice tournament. The excessive lag disqualification rule needs to be properly implemented.

In my opinion ms is useless some people have 700+ ms and have no lag what so ever and other times I have 100+ ms and feel a **** ton of lag sometimes

That makes sense. Maybe for example, Americans over 100ms dq and Australians over 200ms disqualify. Probably to difficult. Anyways, anyone excessively warping and/or disconnecting should be removed from the gst.

Agreed

Lag cap doesn't seem to sort any of your problems, since the main purpose of this would be for gsts they should (if they put one in) make it a resonable ms concidering it's the GST there bound to be 4.5k+ So obviously there will be fluctuating lag (350-400ms is resonable) and I'm guessing the main point of this lag cap is to dq people like Sarah for delaying who usually sits on 250ms, so this wouldn't even help with that situation, the only thing it would help with is people who are frozen and lagging a lot which if that's the case seems like a good idea.

200ms for Australians seems very harsh especially people like me who live in different states than you, I sit on 220-250 ms usually most of the day, similar with people like nell and jarod, also counting the fluctuating lag from GST you really wouldn't be able to help it if your delay is over 200ms.

lag cap is ridiculous considering how frequently I jump from ~100 to 500+ and I'm in America

wouldn't work.

Sarah delays. she doesn't USUALLY warp or LAG. but she always delays. Delay is legal and its better not to complain about things you can't change. At the same time, iclassic doesn't have enough staff looking into cheaters. Not saying sarah is a cheater. but its normal to be suspicious about her delay if somebody who is 80k-10k can do it using the simple C sparring techniques on the wall that she uses.
With all this said if sarah didn't delay
- she would still be a good sparrer
-probably wouldn't have the same amazing ratio/wins amount
-would still be considered a great idevice sparrer because she would adapt to not lagging.

but considering she's the only sparring using C style spar techniques that can get 80k wins and can beat advanced offensively/smart sparers who use far more advanced techniques... its normal to be suspicious especially because the iclassic staff don't do a good enough job monitoring sparers.

My only comment on the Sarah thing is that you have a **** load of advantage early we basically can't even push out early. At least from my screen I have to stay 3-4 sword lengths behind. Then you have mood who for god knows why just rushes in the middle of the team and takes a hit after a billion years while he gets a million. You think delay isn't an advantage you're not going to tell me it's fair cause if I was able to walk through the opponents wall and not get jumped and take 3-4 hits, then fine by me. Also I heard abood is a lot worst with his lag and delay so that's not even helpful... I've seen your spar videos and you clearly hit people where they are unless it wasn't your screen but I can't hit any of you guys unless I'm miles away...

That's my opinion doe, I don't know the physics behind your weird ass delay but ye. Legit would like to have you spar someone and both people record your screen **** makes no sense!

You can probably sit on the mid line and spam your sword like AK does and not get hit, and people won't even push out cause they got to stay miles behind, just saying.
Legit stupid!

Yeah the whole ms cap thing is my stupid dream. Although this (in bold) needs to be strongly imposed. The lag is limited in the actual spar rooms where the admins view the spars and where the players queue, therefore they can clearly see if anyones disconnecting and/or constantly warping.

Yo marc u r legit stupid lol

make a script that takes average MS instead of peak? Simple really

I am giving an opinion not stating the truth I have no clue what goes on from her screen from my screen it looks like I'm fitting air!

forgive Scar he sounds really dumb sometimes
he commented to me personally also btw so you arent the only one

Hey Marc bro we thought you'd be used to sparring foreign delay since side rooms are filled with it...

Hey brooooooo, there's a difference between sparring and guildsparring! You act like I don't know how to stay far behind in a 1v1 situation I have no issue with that! Nah when it comes down to 5 people who no one can hit except from a mile away then I find it really stupid and unfair! At least I don't spar with no skill sitting on a wall spamming my sword for a billion years until i get a hit then I move into the next wall, but to be honest you can do that cause of your **** delay, at least dark moves.

I'm assuming you're AK because that's the only Alex I know!

This isn't a spar thread, if you want to make one and talk about my side room sparring go ahead!