Seems like Colin joined the islamphobic site since he was booted off the Moderators crew and Shmegg is still in it. :drool: :drool:

I quit on my own accord, and a reject-troll like you isn't going to bait a panic out of me or get the response you're looking for. Good job on the completely unrelated response though.

Pointing out stuff that actually happens and is morally wrong isn't being islamaphobic, you and I both know that, and you're just trying to bait a completely unrelated response.

Sadly fools like Wick and Saeed still can't see the problem, no one here is saying Islam should be completely gotten rid of, it just needs reforming like all religions do at some point.

im not even going to bother with this thread. Try studying a religion and then make assumptions.

Why would you make assumptions after studying a religion?

Wouldn't you know enough about the religion to not make assumptions?

are you assuming that after studying a religion you'll know enough not to make assumptions?

Did you just assume what I was assuming????????////?????

are you assuming inception??

funny how it's okay to stone women and gays as well as kill people who aren't islamic because a book says so.

I'm pretty sure most people don't give a **** if someone is Muslim, they just don't like it if they are the kind of Muslim that blows things up. Which is pretty reasonable if you ask me.

Directly from the Quran, verse 9.29
"Fight against those who do not obey Allah and do not believe in Allah or the Last Day and do not forbid what has been forbidden by Allah and His messenger even if they are of the People of the Book until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued."

Colin has quit the moderating team to become a Savage user

It looks like you took the bait though! ):

Exactly.

Can't believe some of you are on here getting offended over even the slightest criticisms of Islam, there is a direct correlation between Islam and terrorism even if we were just counting the terrorism in Islam dominated countries (persecution of gays, etc).

Grow up and realize it's fair to criticize a religion without hating it and all religions deserve to be criticized at some point.

/closethread

ftfy

Why do you guys want to close this thread?

We have people offering their opinions, albeit sometimes not in the most constructive manner but we still should be able to say what we want about the situation.

Closing the thread just means you don't want anyone else to say something because these sorts of conversations don't always appeal.

Yall are cool with ****ing ******ed troll threads but nooooo the thread about actual real world problems are too nasty.

some people need safe spaces... even on graalians

ahhh yes because arguing about terrorism on graalians is going to solve the world's problems in a heartbeat!

And keeping quiet about it is going to do anything as well?

Saying isn't doing but regardless, it doesn't hurt(unless you're an oversensitive prick) to discuss these sorts of things.

Keeping things civil is up to you guys but don't expect anyone will shut up about this.

Also you can always just not read this thread if its so offensive to you.

Just because people have opposing views and things get heated doesn't mean the entire discussion is a no-go.

Graalians is Unix's safe space where people can praise all the wonderful things he's done for the games.

Its not a safe space for you Neanderthals. /s

Not an issue about solving the world's problems, issue with closing any thread with dispute is just limiting any dissenting opinions.

That kind of mentality just forces us to all let each other say anything and we can never disagree.

Graalians is a good safe space for people who live in Islam dominated countries (yes we have a few) since they can be open about their opinions here but if they say them in real life they would be executed.

Think about that before trying to preach RELIGION OF PEACE.

but these opinions are turning into acts of rudeness and endless disputes
imo you can go ahead and argue, i can't stop you since i can't do anything, but i find it irrelevant

Another point is we’ve been taking refugees in for centuries literally.. Ik someone who’s like 40odd and even he said that when his dad was brought over here(the government actually gave them money and house to start business up here-long time ago when GB wason the build) they distributed majority of them to certain places.. Alot didn’t want to be merged into society so built their own community shutting off from the rest(Some did want to merge) but the ones that didn’t clearly would make there be slight hatred; it’s like a full group of white guys not allowing a black guy in there group it’s bound to start something off, also the community would go round to neighbors who aren’t muslim and ask to buy there house out straight-if they didn’t they would cause trouble to lower house prices there and eventually they’d have to sell anyway.

Another thing the guy said happens(he’s muslim himself) they use mosques as a bank as he grew up he saw people donating thousands to the mosques to later realise they basically use it to get loans off it to build new shops etc then once they’ve been established they put money back in for the next.. if you think of it it’s pretty brainy and shows how close that community actually is.


@the religion of peace comment- No religion stands for peace, religions has always been around simply for ones to keep hope and also to disconnect the full world, image 1world all believing in the same exact thing, no alterations etc no government could rule over that.

It's the only place where 5hift can tryhard and act like he isn't a mentally handicapped weaboo, please don't take his place away. :'( :'(

Lol that's on these assholes.

If you find it irrelevant than take my advice:

It is comments like these, that should be removed. I see some trying to have a decent conversation, then you have others just spouting nonsense, and spamming up the thread.

Lol you realize he's just trying to bait a response from me by purposely acting dumber than usual.

Darlene for moderator!??

Don’t give them ideas

Dumber than usual? I post like twice a week, I smell a grain of salt in there.
However, I'm totally fine. Both Colin and Darlene took the bait, that's awesome.

Responding to your posts = taking bait? So you don't want anyone to talk to you? You're just here to try and get under people's skin? That's cool I guess. I suppose the correct response would be for people to just let you sh*t on them without any type of backlash. Because responding to you is 'taking the bait', right? That's awesome. Free pass to call anyone anything you want for no reason, nice troll dude.

I just wish muslims weren't such pieces of **** tbh the world would be a better without them imo

And here we have the Holy Bible literally commanding genocide.

Deuteronomy 20:16 - 18

"However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God."


Point is, you're reading a book written by people living in one of the most violent times in history, in one of the most war-devastated parts of the world. Religious violence is totally not exclusive to Islam, and it shouldn't be a big surprise to anyone that any religion preached it at one point.


So hey if you want to blame today's problems on verses written over 1000 years ago, or people who don't follow those parts of the Quran, have at it. But if you ask me, those verses aren't the problem, the radicals that are committing acts of terror are.

While I agree, the religions and their followers are still very different and play a role in it. Islam just needs to fast forward 1000 years and modernize. The secular values of the west are what get rid of a lot of the issues here, but when Islam is permeating through every possible social construct, governing system, and way of life, you get things like this.

bravo. Must spread rep first.

They are different, but I view that the problem may be that the governments have used religion as an excuse to create laws, justify unjustifiable actions, etc. in order to maintain power. I think that it's a cultural & governance issue, and that the religion has been the justification because it was an easy excuse to use. It doesn't help that the Middle-East has been and is unstable, ans that Western countries have played a significant role into the destabilization.

I think of it like this: Did England's monarchy rule use the Catholic church, or vice versa. I guess it's a matter of who corrupted who.

I 100% agree, though, that they are behind the times. But they aren't anything different than what we've seen before. There does need to be extreme modernization. I think that starts with the governments, though, rather than the religion. I think it would have a domino effect. Fix the governments, and everything will eventually fall into place.

Don't think so - Arab spring wasn't helping anyone at all. Egyptians elected someone democratically and still started another coup.

Maybe it's not their religion but their genes, who knows.

Every Muslim I know well who's married didn't hit or hurt his wife in any way. Never supported any idea of bringing the Sharia law into Germany. Never discriminated anyone.

I don't believe "Islam needs to be up to date" is true. It really depends on the people, not the religion. Just reminded me of a quote.. "[Religion] is made for every human, but not every human made for [religion]." When that Norwegian guy killed over 100 people in a single day noone really pointed any finger at his religion, although he's just as sick and.. as any other KKK, ISIS or whatever group of mentally ill people. Blaming a religion sounds like an excuse to me so hate seems legit (I don't mean anyone here on Graalians). But yea, if he doesn't kill you because he is Muslim but he's black.. we haf those times aswell, sadly..

Back OT: Forcerino baterino?

I'd say that in North America and Australia it is already a modern religion. Its pretty clear that at this point there is a large divide in Islamic values between parts of the globe.

The people of that faith that are born in the west aren't the same, which is clear. This is why again I bring up the secular values of those nations and attribute that as the hero in that case.

However, this isn't the case in the middle east. Those countries are the farthest thing from secular, they're practically theocracies even if not in name.

They don't have to be born in the west. I know Muslims who were born and raised in the Middle East and are now in America and they are modern.

Just because you know people like that (as do I) it doesn't mean they are the typical example.

When they move to America they're obviously going to modernize themselves
Those who don't modernize are the issue though

Why is it assumed that they modernized after they got to America, as if they were different when they were in the Middle-East?

I agree that me knowing people doesn't automatically make it the norm. But isn't that the typic example? Polls and research of Muslims in America seem pretty solid that the majority are typical Americans who just practice the Islamic faith.

It's obvious they're modernizing by moving to america wether they chose to do that before they move or after is pretty irrelevant as the outcome is the same?
It's simply a fact that most muslims in muslim countries still live with ideals that shouldn't exist in this time and age


Also, to prevent extreme muslims to spread their ideals through mosques in our countries they should just do regular checks and force them to preach in the country its native language.
Not sure how you'd go about preventing that further other than the government helping in individual cases when someone warns authorities about another person possibly having thoughts of planning a terrorist attack of some sort

That's unconstitutional and will only help paint the picture that the West is against Islam... You need individualized probable cause to search someone or some place. Also, we can't force anyone to speak any specific language because we don't have an established language. I'm actually in favor of establishing English as our national language, but even then, we can't force people to speak in it. That would violate the Constitution as well most likely. We could make people learn English (which we already do in schools) but we can't control how people use that afterwards. Plus, to force Muslims to use English when practicing their religion would also be unconstitutional.

Also, the government is supposed to do something when they get reports like that, but sometimes they don't. The recent Manchester attack is an example. But even then, the government can only do so much since they have to follow the laws and the Constitution. That's the price of living in a free society. You can't bend the rules for anyone.

It isn't irrelevant at all, actually. If some of them are already modernized before moving to America, then logic would dictate that there are other modernized folk who don't leave their country. Saying the outcome is the same is correct, but saying that is all that matters is not the case. The implications of both scenarios are different and matter a good deal.

I don't know if you guys heard but, a white british guy ran over muslims using a track next to their mosque in London. This happened last week, the problem isn't just muslims. We got ISIS members using religion as an excuse to kill people and we also got white people using "anger" as an excuse to kill muslims.
It's true that the government reactions are very slow, there was a video of an isis member praying to the ISIS flag. This video was posted to youtube a month before the bridge attack, this guy who waa praying to the ISIS flag was actually involved in the attack and he was one of the people who were stabbing randoms in the streets. It was obvious this guys was an isis member since he was praying to the isis flag yet, the government decided not to take actions.
In addition, The government provides people who are new to the country free english lessons. Most of the muslims attend to those english lessons, the issue isn't about education. Every isis member lived in muslims areas (England) such Mile end, Barking, whitechapel etc... when muslims are gathered together there is negatives and positives. The positives are obvious (there is no racism in those areas towards muslims) but, they also motivate each others to join Isis. If the government mix all cultures together, the un educated muslims will automatically modernize with the country they live in.
Half of the harsh islam rules are made up. Of course Islam don't allow homosexuality but, it doesn't mean we should kill g!y people. Our job is only to inform them about the rules as brothers in religion, if they decided to be gay then they have a god to punish them. We are not their god to do the punishment. I still believe and will always believe Islam is a peaceful religion, it's just the way you understand Quran. If you decided to focus on the violent parts of the Quran ignoring the other parts of the quotation, then you're obviously and clearly miss understanding it. All those Isis members and half of the Islam dominated countries governments are ignorant people who knows nothing about their religion.