Very true, i don't see why you would stay with a guild you hated so much that you could write an essay on your dislike of it for so long but hey, to each his own. That's the whole point of guilds, if you don't like it there are plenty of other opportunities, and if there's not, you can always make your own.:P

Exactly - do your guild the way you want to. No reason to hate on any other guild that use the ally system to their advantage - that's what it's for. Unless we're breaking the rules or something, no reason to get mad at any other guild for what they do.

You guys would own us lol. Venture charm and US would all destroy us lol.

I covered the whole target metaphor thing already.

And I'm glad you like advent. It fits you. But it's not for me. I stayed in in hopes I could rank up and change it. I mean there are some things you guys to right like...well you don't chat block that's something! Umm...there's gotta be something else...I'll think of something.

But what you guys are doing honestly isn't what the ally system was intended for. You fight with huge numbers, not skill. The tactics you used when attacking and defending were horrible. Im picking on you guys because I've been there and experienced it. There are other guilds who do it. Probably worse than you.

The problem is you can't just let other guilds abuse it and do it their way because it's unfair for guilds that are actually do it the intended way, how is one guild of 25 dedicated members going to stack up to 4 guilds full of players? The noobrecruiting and sub guilds are making it so you have to use sub guilds and noob recruit to compete. That's why we are complaining about these other guilds, if they are still allowed to do those things then it makes it so any guild that wants to be able to hold towers needs to do those shady tactics.

One guild started it, other guilds followed to be able to compete. Blame whoever started it.

Ch4rM is amazing. We don't really kick, easily, and everybody is pretty much equal. Of course, there are leaders, but the don't act all high up. It's just a nice family hanging out. And we do lots of farming, just sittin around and chatting, and events. We're so pro admins hang out with us, so we get sexy sneak peaks. All guilds should be like this, don't know why they're not. And the problem with like other guilds is that they try for towers, and after towers everybody leaves. Don't boss others around, act like their your besties.

Ya :)

Oh, Godzilla.
I was there :)

Yup, every time I put on my Uchiha tag, everyone seems chill and happy. It's like that in Advent during off-times.

Pandemonium. We were the strongest back then, and nobody was ever kicked. Before guild allies were introduced into the game AS WE KNOW THEM, we had to manually form alliances. When Pandemonium and iBall were competing, a few members in each guild wanted to be allies. This meant that we would not attack each other, no matter what.

If you look on the leaderboards, iBall and Pandemonium were very successful for their time, and over time, leaderships changed and they allied. Now it's a dead family guild that nobody ever tags on.
If they were to both start back up, and remain alliances, with two of the original members, they would for sure take towers separately, like we did over a year ago.

Don't assume that all tower guilds use the sub system.

War guilds with subs still have loyal members. The only difference is that there can be 100+ of them, and the main war guild kicks and recruits these 100+ members depending on when they're online to get an advantage with towers.

PS is a kick and recruit guild.

Nufsed.

Ok look. I don't see why you guys are complaining and fighting over people's ways of making a guild. Some people like certain styles, some like other styles. No big deal, kthxbye

Cigam, we aren't pushing our opinions on others and DEMANDING they be the same. We're just expressing our opinions in hope other guilds do the same. I think it would be great.


Shut up, we don't get sneak peaks xD. Act modest. :P But basically, yea, Ch4rM and its allies are really relaxed. Ventrue for the most part was the same, and I can't say anything about US because I was never in it.

US has been a special experience in terms of guilds. When Rufus took over it was a unique band of Classic players that had stand-out personalities. I think one of the main recruiting factors was simply personality - not sparring. Luckily at the time they also shifted the servers to Europe so we were pretty dominate in the sparring scene.

After Classic went down (one of the dumbest timings ever, as iClassic was just getting released + popular) US moved to UN and things progressed in a way I didn't see coming. New members were recruited that were prominent UN sparrers but handpicked based on their personalities. There were no 0 brain all-troll BTK types in US, it was the likes of Brett, Prado, Ares, and eventually Squirt. These players were UN's powerhouse sparrers too.

When I logged on iClassic and saw that version of US for the first time, I questioned whether it would be the same experience. Skeptical, I kind of made fun of them a bit and had my giggles but it turned out alright.

In the end, you want to have a guild with people you get along with. If you only look at stats, you won't be a real guild. You will be a bunch of elitists on one guild tag that will end up backstabbing eachother when something bigger and better rolls along. Focus on people with like-minded personalities that also happen to be good at the game. You'll enjoy what this 14 year old horribly managed underdeveleoped player-run game has to offer.

Cigam didn't mention any of those things you said.

:o ya. and besides, Im just saying what I gotta say kthxbye

Most guilds just go mad for towers then die out. I don't know who remebers zZ Fatal Zz but this happened to them. I only played each day to chat with them and take towers.. Now thats over im not really active D: