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Eugeen 05-21-2018 07:57 PM

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Posted by Ximithie (Post 812308)
I mean just look at the Soviet Union Stalin took the guns so did Hitler and Mao all communist and socialist leaders Also there is no way that the U.K. Is safer after the gun ban it became more dangerous almost every European country is dangerous now because of there stupid leaders and they all have open borders children and women are getting r*ped because of it now here is a site I found it may not be accurate its actually really hard to find any site accurate these days so you believe it if you want to https://crimeresearch.org/2013/12/mu...fter-gun-bans/ I couldnt find any stats from 2013-2018 since thats when the whole europe continent went to sh*t and people started dying.

This is so true, I live in the Netherlands and we are struggling to survive, everyone here is killing eachother, bombs and shootings happening every day, it got me killed aswell

Jokes aside though, it’s just a few trash countries that have actual issues like these, most of europe is pretty damn safe

Ximithie 05-22-2018 05:52 PM

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Posted by Eugeen (Post 812337)
This is so true, I live in the Netherlands and we are struggling to survive, everyone here is killing eachother, bombs and shootings happening every day, it got me killed aswell

Jokes aside though, it’s just a few trash countries that have actual issues like these, most of europe is pretty damn safe

North and south of europe are pretty dangerous im actually surprised Norway is safe

Shosta 05-23-2018 02:47 PM

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Posted by Ximithie (Post 812377)
North and south of europe are pretty dangerous im actually surprised Norway is safe

I'm pretty sure Norway isn't safe if you research a bit more that what you've done. There's been several shooting and bombing attempts, and several terror threats in Norway lately.

Crono 05-23-2018 06:29 PM

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Posted by Shosta (Post 812406)
I'm pretty sure Norway isn't safe if you research a bit more that what you've done. There's been several shooting and bombing attempts, and several terror threats in Norway lately.

Uh, I'm pretty sure Norway is one of the safest countries in the world.

Ximithie 05-23-2018 07:16 PM

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Posted by Shosta (Post 812406)
I'm pretty sure Norway isn't safe if you research a bit more that what you've done. There's been several shooting and bombing attempts, and several terror threats in Norway lately.

Your actually right I never researched it before i should of before i took what someone else said europe is pretty much f*cked.

Vendetta 05-23-2018 07:56 PM

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Posted by Ximithie (Post 812410)
Your actually right I never researched it before i should of before i took what someone else said europe is pretty much f*cked.

Would you say America is any less f*cked?

McCullough 05-23-2018 09:08 PM

All I can say is s*** happens. Some people are just troubled and f****d in the head. Authorities probably just need to do a better job of recognizing any behavioral problems so that problems like this can be prevented.

Ximithie 05-23-2018 09:12 PM

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Posted by McCullough (Post 812414)
All I can say is s*** happens. Some people are just troubled and f****d in the head. Authorities probably just need to do a better job of recognizing any behavioral problems so that problems like this can be prevented.

Yes some cops are absolute idiots when doing there jobs some other cops do them really well this officer didn't even want to go inside the parkland school to stop the shooting shame on him... Attachment 25620

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Posted by Vendetta (Post 812412)
Would you say America is any less f*cked?

Not as much as europe but hopefully in the coming years america will get better.

McCullough 05-23-2018 11:27 PM

I don't know much about the crime rates in any European countries, but out of any place, besides Chicago or lower parts of Detroit, I feel very safe in America. At least where I am in upper Michigan, I don't have a fear of losing my life to a scum with intentions of shooting up my school. Knock on wood.

Ximithie 05-24-2018 04:20 AM

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Posted by McCullough (Post 812416)
I don't know much about the crime rates in any European countries, but out of any place, besides Chicago or lower parts of Detroit, I feel very safe in America. At least where I am in upper Michigan, I don't have a fear of losing my life to a scum with intentions of shooting up my school. Knock on wood.

Michigan is pretty safe ya kids in Chicago are growing up in a horrible way thats where most of the gang members are from who make rap songs about killing people and cops and the kids listen to these type of music and eventually they start doing it too.

PigParty 05-24-2018 05:04 AM

I'm late but...

1. The 2nd Amendment is meant to protect the population from a tyrannical government. Anyone who even considers that banning guns is a valid solution is naive. The 2nd Amendment is the reason the U.S. could never ban guns. Gun owners would fight back against the government, and that threat would be real because those citizens have guns. It's smart that the founders did that.

2. America's geography also makes it naive to attempt to ban guns. Britain is often compared to the United States when it pertains to gun crime and gun control, but Britain is an island. It's much harder to illegally transport guns over water than it is over land. With our bordering Mexico and the ease of access that it has to other, unstable South American countries, guns and drugs will always be readily available in the United States as long as the demand exists.

3. Common sense gun control is just common sense. And thats why congress has done nothing about it. Universal background checks is common sense. Private gun sales without going through background checks is just a bad idea.

4. Why ban assault rifles? Why increase security at schools? Why arm teachers? These are all techniques to minimize loss, but not to prevent the attacks from happening in the first place. America's culture has created a youth generation that depersonalizes people, making it easy for someone to feel no remorse or guilt in committin crimes against others. I feel that this is largely due to technology. People feel more like robots. Online harassment is perpetrated by a person, but you don't see the person. They mean nothing to you and you mean nothing to them. That's why it's so easy to say anything online. We also need serious mental health reform. This probably won't solve the problems with the youth shooting up schools, but it will prevent many other violent crimes.

Lastly, the reason nothing will change on this topic is because the political discourse is so disgusting. I even saw it with the Stoneman Douglas students. When one of them went on a rant attacking the NRA, that was poor political discourse, but no one was willing to call them out on it because of their situation. Blaming gun manufacturers for crimes committed by someone is dumb and naive unless the manufacturer had an actual role in providing a gun to someone they knew they shouldn't have. The poltical discourse is just really really bad and it's sad to watch, and it's sad to see everyone participate in that. Many people dislike congress and their inability to compromise and work together, but many of those same people also praise that very characteristic. The people who win local elections are those that are the most anti-opposition party. Nothing will change because of American voters that criticize the very thing that they enable and encourage.

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Posted by Ximithie (Post 812415)
Yes some cops are absolute idiots when doing there jobs some other cops do them really well this officer didn't even want to go inside the parkland school to stop the shooting shame on him... Attachment 25620
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Just for clarification, that's not the officer that refused to go into the building and perform his duties. That's the sheriff that has since revealed he is a political hack. Still, he wasn't the officer at the school when the shooting took place.

MrSimons 05-24-2018 02:08 PM

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Posted by PigParty (Post 812436)
I'm late but...

1. The 2nd Amendment is meant to protect the population from a tyrannical government. Anyone who even considers that banning guns is a valid solution is naive. The 2nd Amendment is the reason the U.S. could never ban guns. Gun owners would fight back against the government, and that threat would be real because those citizens have guns. It's smart that the founders did that.

Do you believe that the American populace could actually fight back against the US military? Small arms are pretty ineffective against aircraft and armored vehicles, which is the real strength of the military.

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Posted by PigParty (Post 812436)
2. America's geography also makes it naive to attempt to ban guns. Britain is often compared to the United States when it pertains to gun crime and gun control, but Britain is an island. It's much harder to illegally transport guns over water than it is over land. With our bordering Mexico and the ease of access that it has to other, unstable South American countries, guns and drugs will always be readily available in the United States as long as the demand exists.

I think another important point is how large the US is, and how a lot of gun owners live in remote areas of the country. If the government wants all the citizens of Montana, Alaska, Wyoming, or so many other states to give up their guns; what can the government realistically do about it?

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Posted by PigParty (Post 812436)
3. Common sense gun control is just common sense. And thats why congress has done nothing about it. Universal background checks is common sense. Private gun sales without going through background checks is just a bad idea.

Most "common sense" gun control arguments I've seen really are not common sense. A lot of the arguments I've seen are made by people with no understanding of firearms, or even the statistics behind gun crime.

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Posted by PigParty (Post 812436)
4. Why ban assault rifles? Why increase security at schools? Why arm teachers? These are all techniques to minimize loss, but not to prevent the attacks from happening in the first place. America's culture has created a youth generation that depersonalizes people, making it easy for someone to feel no remorse or guilt in committin crimes against others. I feel that this is largely due to technology. People feel more like robots. Online harassment is perpetrated by a person, but you don't see the person. They mean nothing to you and you mean nothing to them. That's why it's so easy to say anything online. We also need serious mental health reform. This probably won't solve the problems with the youth shooting up schools, but it will prevent many other violent crimes.

Totally agree with mental health care reform. If the government isn't going to do anything about firearms; and school security is proving to be ineffective then the obvious solution would be to minimize threats before they develop.

MrSimons 05-24-2018 02:12 PM

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Posted by McCullough (Post 812416)
I don't know much about the crime rates in any European countries, but out of any place, besides Chicago or lower parts of Detroit, I feel very safe in America. At least where I am in upper Michigan, I don't have a fear of losing my life to a scum with intentions of shooting up my school. Knock on wood.

This is part of the issue. The US is very diverse. When I visit my family in rural Texas, the environment is much different than that of the city I live in; where I actually feel uncomfortable if my wife is going out into town without pepper spray.

MrSimons 05-24-2018 02:13 PM

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Posted by McCullough (Post 812414)
All I can say is s*** happens. Some people are just troubled and f****d in the head. Authorities probably just need to do a better job of recognizing any behavioral problems so that problems like this can be prevented.

Which is a real issue that needs to be addressed. For whatever reason, The US hates the idea of mental healthcare.

McCullough 05-24-2018 02:57 PM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 812457)
Which is a real issue that needs to be addressed. For whatever reason, The US hates the idea of mental healthcare.


Yeah, I don't know. Costs a fortune for any medical attention anyway. The Dickinson County Hospital in upper Michigan is simply awful. Facility looks nice but all the staff just can't do their jobs.

The VA we have is very good, though.


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