A big part of the argument is probably that iDevice players feel sort of cheated or something, considering iClassic was put out on iDevice first. It took a while for it to come to Facebook. So, a bunch of iDevice players get familiar with sparring against other iDevice players and are probably crushing it for a long time. Then, a bunch of experienced players from PC Graal come to Facebook and a few of them start beating on people.

I can understand how that is frustrating and might leave people feeling sour about the situation, but the fact remains that we're both given the same options. It's just how it is. These people should be mad at Graal, not mad at any player who decides to play by PC.

Analysis of this thread:

Rezon...

Thanks for telling us Comyt's life story! Anyway, assuming you agree with the words you fed into this kid's mouth...

You said there are no advantages. This is an advantage, even you just said that in your own post, and plenty of people DO use this.

Keyboard controls and delay are 2 big things you decided to ignore.
They have yet to be shut down.

I thought you were on Thallen's side, because you're describing him perfectly with this post.

Here's my analogy of you: You're similar to a fat kid on a baseball team who strikes out every at bat for one game, but the team still wins that game. Then, the fat kid feels the need to gloat and say to the other team "HAHA YOU SUCK WE WON", when the kid had absolutely no significant contribution to the win, this is how significant you have been to this thread. You seem to think Thallen won, and keep posting kiss ass posts as if you contributed.

Moving on...

That's like saying you've never sparred laggers in general, any lagger does what I just said. My evidence? My eyes, the only evidence needed. If you truly have never seen this before then getting your eyes looked at by an eye doctor wouldn't be a bad idea.

The only person arguing that ios players have the advantage lol.

Anyway, Thallen...

A complete waste of space on this thread, absolutely no relation to the topic, it's like you're trying to brag about how much of an asshole you're.

Thank you for sharing your life story, anyway, you say this like using pc isn't an advantage and we're truly idiots for believing it is, but...

It's like you changed sides during the argument after we gave you all our points. Also the three bullet points you stated are all irrelevant, and the paragraph below that is you once again, bragging about how much of an asshole you're. +2

everybody on this thread that is attempting to fight for the idevice side should just shut up and return to the lame threads they belong in. i've probably read at least 30 arguments for the idevice side and they're all terrible. none of you even know anything about spar, you're just complaining because you're too bad to stand a chance against a pc player.

thallen, continue degrading everyone who continues to argue for the idevice side. i'm tired of seeing horrible players acting like they know anything about sparring, they're an embarrassment to those of us that are actually good.

No excuses. You can't feel cheated when you have a PC yourself.
Morale of the story: Don't let games get the best of you. At the end of the day, no one really cares about who's #1. It's about having fun and making Graal a great place to play.

? What? I don't think you have any idea what the state of this thread is right now. I'm talking to Comyt anyway, and agreeing with him on certain points. Where is there an argument when I'm agreeing with someone? Stop interjecting and trying to fan flames that don't even exist.


I was searching for games that were playable on a 56k connection back in either late 1999 or early 2000.

Do not say that. There are sides and you can't just "shut" them down. Respect is key to forums.

I don't need an idea about the state of the thread. I'm on your side right now. Both sides need to be questioned in a debate. Rephrased: Why waste time when you KNOW you will win the debate?

P.S.: I'm not arguing with you. Not discrediting you. I want to know your purpose.

I'm just trying to convince people of certain things that seem obvious to me. It hasn't worked though, and overall it has been a huge waste of my time. I'm probably a fool for wasting so much time and effort in trying to convey my viewpoints to people who obviously won't accept them.



Yeah, it's cool to respect people, but he is completely right. Ash Ketchum, GOAT, and GotenGraal have zero experience. They are not even relevant in the sparring community. I've literally only heard of them from this forum.

Having an opinion is cool, but why hold an opinion about something you don't know much about? If someone asks me what the best brand of tampons is, I'm not saying a word. I can't relate to that.

That being said, why would I waste time scrolling up to read GotenGraal's last post when Comyt came into the thread and made a post that was easy to read with very clear points. You have to excuse me for being more interested in the opinion of actual sparrers.

get out of here, nobody wants some random suckup minimod invading a thread they don't belong in and going over the rules of the forums. no idevices here deserve my respect, i will continue to disrespect them.

? This is a iDevice site. Haha.

Who the f*** cares if were part of the community of cocky assholes? I have 3000 spars, this is "experience" whether you want to admit it or not. Are you that narrow minded to think pc's don't do anything else but spar? ATTENTION: THERE IS MORE TO GRAAL OUTSIDE OF THE BATTLE ARENA!

yeah, i'm an idevice too if you haven't realized. that won't stop me from hating all of them on here.

Link your Graalians.com card for me real quick.

That's a fail comment.

no. pcs do not have an impact on pking, and if they do, it would be the smallest possible advantage i've ever heard of. an "advantage" can't even exist in pking, there is no skill involved in it, all you do is spam in narrow spaces.

if you're going to say "LOL DUDE U DONT EVEN PK U WUDNT KNOOO," i went on my 2942774th account the other day and got 200 kills. everybody was exactly the same, pcs don't have an advantage in pking because there is no room for them to strafe.

nah, a "fail comment" would be everything that all other idevices on these forums have been saying. none of them are even qualified to participate in this argument, they don't know what they're saying.

Comyt, if you hate iDevice users, then you hate yourself. You said all users. lol.

There are requirements?

are you trying to be some kind of smartass? we all know what i mean, stop looking for the smallest details in what i say and attacking me on them. get out of here, nobody has time for you.

This is completely idiotic. Ex. Sparring a good sparrer is hard, sparring an unexperienced sparrer who has no record is simple. Same goes for pking.

Comyt, I was only hazing you. Don't be angry.

a "good pker" does not exist, nor does a "bad pker." we can all spam all over the place, and that's what pking is. the only reason why people have more pks than others is simply because they spend more time pking. you can say "a pker with less of a life" or "a pker with more of a life" but not "good" and "bad."

Talon is gonna delete my comment anyways.

Yeah, pk rates, how fast you die, how many kills you get before you die with 3.0, etc. I don't know how you can even argue this.

Goten, you are neither a good sparrer nor a "good PKer" so quit trying to speak on behalf of either. You tried representing some portion of say for the iDevice sparring community in an argument in this thread and the first good iDevice sparrer who posts ITT tells you that you have no idea what you're talking about. Do you lack the ability to feel stupid or are you just bored?

You can spam all over the place in spar AS WELL.
Don't try to cop out.

P.S. Talon, stop looking at my comment. WOW.

Comyt, don't give me anything about "No skill or low skill" or whatsoever. I recalled I can play to win and I'll do anything to win besides cheating.

Like you're all talk.

Oh great, incoming boring paragraphs.

those aren't based on skill, those depend on what situation you're in.

how fast you die: if you're in a mob of spam, you'll die fast no matter what. if you aren't, then go ahead and run away while spamming like everybody tends to do and you'll live long. you can't be better than somebody else at running away and spamming.

how many kills you get: if there happen to be a bunch of 0.5s around you while you're spamming all over the place, or "pking," then you'll get a lot of kills. if there are people with 3.0 all around you, you won't get a lot of kills.

pking isn't skill-based, but luck based.

Oh, I didn't know the mighty Thallen set the standards and decides who's good and who's not. Second: DID I EVER SAY I WAS?!?

you CAN spam all over the place, but you will lose, unless your enemy is completely idiotic. in pking, this technique tends to get you a lot of kills. you can't even pretend that sparring takes the same amount of skill as pking, sparring actually takes skill.

Same from spar, I can spam you in spar and run away to the safe spots in a small square. Pking is not luck based. Ask the people in PC era.

What skill exactly? LOL. Explain.

Yeah, comparing PKing on Classic to PKing on Era. You're not even a troll, you're actually just a moron. I don't blame you for being too cowardly to post as an identifiable username.

This is the worst argument I've ever heard. What if: You get to flag room alone and it becomes 1 v 1? That's still pking. What if: You're pking with 3 or 4 enemies around you and actually maneuver well and get a good amount of hits in. Honestly if it was luck based you could go to any tower, spam your sword with 0 movement and get the same amount of kills as someone actually trying.

yeah, not even going to respond to that guy. another person wandering around on this thread who clearly doesn't belong.

This topic should be shut down. Both sides are attacking the users and not the arguments.

You never answered my question. WHAT SKILL DO YOU NEED IN SPAR?

I'll delete my comments.

It should have been shut down several pages ago. It should especially be shut down now that a recognized iDevice sparrer has contributed to the thread. Nothing can be said that hasn't already been said, it'll just be a contest to see who can embarrass themselves more: GOAT or Goten.

if its 1v1, its SPARRING.
if you could actually 1v4 in the extremely tiny amount of space provided for you in a flag room, then you'd have finally made a good point. but you can't, there isn't enough room to actually perform that, unless they aren't trying to kill you and are too busy spamming at their flag.

What happens if you embarrass yourself? It's not like 7 billion people of the earth cares.

you clearly don't know anything about any sparrers. just leave.

Make me. Sparrers are wack. I can care grave less about sparing anyways.

And plus you never answered the question: What skill is required for Graalonline pixelized spar?

Oh wait...... "You don't belong here." LOL

Hello castle flag room is bigger than a spar room...Snow flag room is also big enough, so is york, so is mod, so is swamp. The only ones that'd be cluttered 1v4 are sardon and dw. And no 1 v 1 outside of the spar arena is PKING. That's why a kill will increase if you kill them or a death will be added to your showdeaths.

And with that post, Thallen wins the embarassment contest!

That's pretty harsh... I never said anything about lag. If you meant lag, then by all means, you are correct. I responded to a statement that all PC players walk through swords, regardless of lag... Did you understand the conversation completely?

^yeah... I would say the discussion is about as thick as its going to get at this point. No use trying to defend or slander others, (Thanks, Goten. Mark you down on my list of rather rude players...) so I really can't add anything to the topic. If the thread is shut down, someone will just make another at some later date. I'd rather just presently drop the topic from my mind.

Lock the thread please. Everyone sucks at their argument and write 2-3 essays on a video game. lol. Overreaction at best. These people are arguing: "Who's better playing pixel spar?"

lol. People can make personal lists in forums? Like that can last forever.

Fascinating lol.

Exactly. Like he think we care about his "list".

if you refer to a 1v1 in an empty field outside of the arena as pking, then pking would take skill. but i'm talking about pking at towers. i'll call it towering, i guess. that takes no skill at all. i'm pretty sure mod, swamp, and york don't have the same amount of space as the spar arena. half of those towers are taken up by a giant object called a "flag" which limits the amount of space you can fight in. in the spar arena, we have something that is inconceivable to pkers called "empty space."

Some troll, you didn't even correctly receive my sentence, let alone the conversation! hahah

Figuratively, not literally, sir.

It's soon spring. You should be changing your username.

You can easily maneuver in all the flag rooms of the towers I stated as long as there's not like 10 people up.

shannon, ignore him like everybody else is doing now. he doesn't even know what he's talking about, i wouldn't be surprised if he's just an era player lost in the classic section of the forums.

You should try taking lessons from Becca or something. I don't think it's good troll protocol to hop into a thread and immediately get more butthurt than everyone around you. That joke was a real winner, too.

And the way you obsessively edit your posts to add in more broken English and insults just makes you look awkward.

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