@Kendama, is that where you voted for the portable fan hat?

We voted for the portable condom rotator yes.

What if a person helped the guild a lot, but isn't socially active with other players?

haha i guess she looked at the forum.

http://puu.sh/hvwvz/3f58320816.png

she makes herself out to be more of a douche than any of you can, not a lot more to be discussed

she likes to be like this its kinda sad

So much hate, if you have any complaints you should talk to Kate about it instead of talking to Each other when most of you don't even know what's going on

Find me on Graal, I'm in the guild Knight, Arise is Aidan's guild, not Kate's, things can go different with a different leader

it's not "hate" to point this stuff out though

none of the people in this thread should have to talk to her either, she should be a considerate person and appreciate the people who helped SoN become successful instead of constantly pooping on them

:o.

She is a nice person though, when I was in Knight we would have games where we could win free gifts from Kate. She also said welcome back to me whenever I got back on.

Overall, she's not a mean person. I'm not hating on her, because she's nice if you get to know her. I don't wanna sound like a hat chaser here, but I just don't like how she didn't reward the hard workers in Knight and such, and I'm still not sure why she wouldn't give out Knight's 1k and etc. (Ik I gave an answer in one of my other posts but it was from my opinion.)

The "free" gifts sound like an incentive to keep you from leaving...

She's a pretty good leader, we did trivia in Son and there was a reward, I don't remember what It was I think it was an iTunes card, she's really nice in my opinion

How can she be nice when she fails to reward 50+ people for their efforts with both knight and SoN its unfair that they don't get a reward for what they've done for this guild and she and her love interest Aidan are aloud to take all the credit! :angry:

Can someone start a thread about me next?

You can't say she's not nice just for a hat that she didn't give out

She's not nice, she's a devil.
u think it's okay to waste 50+ people's 10k hours for her own amusement? Using her authority to rename the guild, kicking people cause they weren't 'loyal' and isn't capable of leading? lmao weren't they the ones holding towers for her all day? She can't do that by herself or even with her friends. She had a time to recruit noobs cause she had loyal members/leads defending towers for her. Her loyal members helped her defending the tower all day cause they were expecting something. People just don't help thousands of hours for no reason, they have a reason and an expectation.

You know what an Ex SoN lead told me? he said if u talk to kate about the hat or mount she will block you. Meaning nobody in the guild was allowed to ask that question. This is a trick. You are thinking that you are going to get a hat. No, you don't, if you do, you get blocked and kicked. She basically abused you and your time and you can't even complain cause you were 'hat chasing'. right? lmfao

BRB gonna go take my guild 10k hours and then rename my guild so people can make up false rumors and spread lies and unnecessary hate about me even though no one knows me, my intentions, or anyone in my guild.

No, look at Santa. His guild has 10k hours without their 10k mount. nobody hates him nor make a false rumors. Same thing with CJ

It's called being a bunch of kiss-ass's to not be abandoned under her wing. I don't know how can these people have their heads far up a players anus to be accepted by that person. I just don't know...

I was surprised our active posters felt bad for the SoN people after all the SoN bashing throughout the years. Crappy move even if it lasted one day.

How she blocks pretty much everyone who says a word to her.

But none of them were hat monkeys that's the thing, they were all loyal players towering over such a long time for a reward.

SoN 'gfx' artist steals other people's shields. Very common to them.
I sparred Aidan in quick spar room, he lost and talked crap.
When the Bridge PK was allowed. One of SoN member was hacking (didn't receive any damage at all).

http://www.graalians.com/forums/atta...9&d=1376241246
breezy posted this pic in august of 2013.

@Zetectic, none of those in that roster would be considered "loyal". I doubt some of them were there from 0-13.7K

losthope was in SoN since 2,3k and he quit at 11k. he helped son for at least 8k hours. that's not loyal?
hardkill might've helped them for few k hours. I gotta ask him tho.

Loyal is started from 0 and stayed until the last amount they are at.

rofl so if u start helping at 2k it doesn't count? where does that knowledge come from?

Loyal is finding a guild and sticking with it.
It doesn't matter if you've been there for 1k hours or 10k hours.
As long as that is the only guild you help, you are loyal.

exactly.
@bryan u dont need to be there since the beginning.

So if I helped it for 1 min and it's the only guild I've helped, I am loyal? Pffft.

No they mean that as long as you've stayed, doesn't matter if it's the only guild you've helped you'd have to stay helping otherwise it's not loyal

Technically, yes.
You haven't helped out any other guilds since then so you're loyal.

It's the same with dating, if you start dating a girl would you class yourself loyal to her after one minute? If I hadn't cheated, I would.

The time doesn't matter, as long as you've stuck with the guild since you've started with them.

1 minute out of the 13.7K hours makes you loyal? That makes no sense. How the heck are you dedicated to the guild if you only helped for 1 min and that's it.

blame the system.

If you helped for 1 minute, in that one minute you're loyal. When you stop helping that one certain guild and move on to others, you're no longer loyal.

It doesn't matter how long it was for, but you're still loyal. Even if you're 1 minute loyal.

See how people facepalm? You should do it with a table instead.

No thanks.
If you think I'm wrong, tell me why. Tell me what you think loyal means, not use an overused insult.

It seems to me that you've found out your argument is flawed and you're using lame insults to try and claw back at me.

I already stated my belief in what loyal means within a towering guild.

0 to the amount the guild stopped at. That shows you are supportive and devoted with that guild. If I towered with SoN and joined at lets say 10K and helped for about 1K hours (it reaches 11K) it doesn't make me loyal. It just means I helped for X amount of hours. A person that joins at the beginning compared to someone who joins at 13K, who would be considered loyal? Exactly.

• start to finish = loyal

Best part is Xor took the guild from her and renamed it back to SoN but gave it back to her a few hours later and people who are still following this child say she renamed it herself yet she wasnt on for nearly a day when it was passed back to her.

She showed 0 Respect to the members that helped her. The guild news she had up a long time ago which someone posted recently was the most disrespectful comment you could ever tell people who have helped you.

She didn't teach any of her leaders how to lead she made that guild depend on her and no one else. This child even got pointers from me when she got the guild from the Aussie guy who quit for another game and it was already at 3k hours.

I never liked the way she handled anything, if anyone messaged her anything rude or even a comment on her she would auto block them.

I am so upset at the fact this child did all of this, and sad that people will still follow this idiot of a leader when all she cares about is Aidan, the guy doesn't even have any guild saying "I love Kate" or anything but she has like 4 guilds with how much she loves him and blah blah.

1minute is a bad example, but yes if you show your dedication to a guild. That's what I call a loyalty.
most leaders recognize member's loyalty and often they succeed together as a good team.

LOL RLY? this is much bigger than what I thought.

eh, but i still like graal.

okay this shows how selfish she is, their is no recognition what so ever for the people who were loyal to this guild, it's almost like she's read the forums and has done this to tease us!
http://i.imgur.com/Plt5ZgP.png?1

AND LOOK AT THIS "my guild" SHE'S NOT GIVING ANY CREDIT TO THOSE WHO DID ALL OF THE WORK SHE NEVER DID ANYTHING!!
http://i.imgur.com/934ETiG.png?1

@OG, didn't you recall her last status? She doesn't remember any active loyal members. It's been eradicated from her short memory.

Xor taking her guild to rename; I see it as some sort of a warning sign to Kate's selfishness actions with her authority.

She just a child who was home schooled and force to not know of boys so she got crazy in love with Aidan and did all this crap for him.

Oh well atleast she learned she can't do this anymore.

People say why cant she do it. It is a 10k hour guild that went from 0-10k.
At mod they have the list of guilds that hit 1k 5k and 10k.

SoN is on the 5k and 10k list.

Kate is a ninja after all...

and when did ninjas care what other people think about them?

She literally has pulled a ninja on all of us. In the end... who is really the fool?

Stop making a big deal out of it. Go back to stalking Kim Kardashian or something.

Those guilds are made by people who wish to leave some sort of legacy on graal and since they would never be remembered by a normal guild name they are forced to name it afterthemselves so it shows on leaderboards. I agree it is quite pathetic.

So I just noticed today Kate and her boy toy are no longer in arise and all of the son sub guilds were removed from arise as well. I wonder what happened.

A tear of joy came to my eye when I saw that people are still bashing SoN after all these years...

It is a beautiful sight to behold.

Guilds with over 10 hours on them can no longer be renamed
It's a good change, but I must throw some salt here being that I was the king of taking dead 100-200 hour guilds, renaming them, then carrying them to 1k

Highly suspect it would have been changed even without my post, but still feels like I shot myself in the foot with this one, GG