"Can a mod please lock this" is officially my least favourite post (coming from an ex-moderator on some forum). It's completely unnecessary, we (they) can tell if a thread needs to be locked, and they are unlikely to see your post in the first place. Report it to their profiles, don't post in the thread.

/offtopic

Rage harder bro.

Ah, alright. My apologies - I can see how that would be annoying. I'll keep that in mind for later. Thanks.

Why do you think they put the riot shields out at public riots or in front of a seat mission? It's a form of defense not offense. You should know by now stats are altered months after they are released. Quit crying about it and realize it means a new gun is on its way.

First of all, you're just restating something multiple people have already mentioned on this thread.

Second of all, changing stats on a gun means new guns are on the way? What kind of logic is this? Pretty sure when the ak47 stats got modified that no new guns were spawned from that changing.

Third of all, he most likely doesn't care if new guns are on the way because he probably won't be able to buy it because of the poorly spent money he's "crying" over.

That is all.

1) sorry I didnt read all these pages of crying emotional drama

2) yes, typical gun adjustments mean they are making room for new guns. As to what happened to the PBP, Bar, etc

3) that's his fault. Gun stats change everyday

4) thanks for the counting lesson but I can count higher.

That is all

1. Well it isn't my fault if you sound like a fool repeating something that multiple people have said

2. Which gun was made room for when the ak47 stats changed?

3. It's his fault? Buying a gun, being satisfied, then having it changed and being unsatisfied, is his fault? I must find who taught you logic.

4. I'm glad you can count higher than 3

5. I can count higher than 4

That is all, once again.

1) quit being so mad over pixels
2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 I win

Who's mad? Not this guy. Calling someone else mad in a conversation is normally what a person who's mad would do to make it seem like they're not mad. So yea, it's ok if you're mad you've plenty reason to be.

I can't count higher than 9 obviously so you win, by the way.

What are the reasons I am mad? :) lmao. List EM off. Up to 9 to make it easy

9? This might be hard idk if I can count that high..

1. You're repetitive
2. You're annoying
3. You make no sense
4. I exposed your repetitiveness
5. I exposed your annoying-ness
6. I exposed your no sense logic
7. You failed to say something that wasn't repetitive
8. You failed to say something that wasn't annoying
9. You failed to say something that actually made some sense

Oh lookie, what do we have here, 9 reasons listed why señor Jester is mad. Hope I counted properly.

Lolol

I'm happy?

It has a SHIELD. A SHIELD. What, you want to have the KSG have 9 damage each bullet? Stop whining.

...Okay and here you're wrong. Yes, it has a shield, but that doesn't mean it's a perfectly working shield, something you seem to assume here. If you have a starter pistol, that means you got a GUN. A GUN. (see what I did there?) Doesn't mean it does 10 damage, with low freeze and a big clip. I agree with Romario the KSG isn't as good as it is supposed to be, but since I dropped this whole argument I won't argue with anyone about that anymore. Though, what you just told isn't right and what does you make think he is whining? He just says it's still not what he would like to see in the KSG ;).

The shield still works. He can block bullets. I'm pretty sure that if you granted Romario's wish, the KSG would be overpowered and VERY unbalanced.

I disagree.

It's balanced and is more overpowered in a way, people who are whining, you bought a gun, if you don't know how to use it then train with it, don't just ask to make it better... Having to solo bases with it, which is for me, an over-powered gun.

It doesn't block bullets, it reduces it's damage which just makes your life last a couple seconds longer, but with the low damage the KSG does you can't een kill your opponent, which doesn't make it a good weapon. It isn't overpowered, so you know what? Yóú stop whining it is ;).

Aw goodie, I'm not whining at anything, I don't want YOU whining about it again- its perfect as it is for its price, we ain't gonna add you a Bar with a Shield for 75k

Did I ask for a bar with a shield? Nope. Then why suggest I want one?
And if that is what you call whining- and you do - then probably 80% of this forum is so, I'm only defending my beliefs and you turn that into "whining"? Come with some better arguments, that's all you say. You're doing the exact same thing, but you have other beliefs. Different thing.

The problem with the current blocking system (Taking a % of damage off) is that because hp and damage figures are so low, it's very hard to adjust without making it very overpowered or underpowered one way or the other.

I mean, I can get it reverted to the old system if you really want too - but there would have to be a general populace vote on the matter before anything changes since it only seems to be one person that wants any changes at all

Do it

Push the red button!!

NOW!

Hey even if it was low damage, people still hide next to it while shooting others/won't make a difference
If you(snk) could add an extra shield to go with the KSG for a fair price, it could make it block from 40-60% bullets? I don't want to go in gang spar again and seeing a KSG user with his member /the member shooting and the KSG user protecting him without taking any damage.

I bought it when i could have bought a better gun. its funny cuz i have bought two semi expensive crappy guns (KSG, tec9) the tec9 is almost half as expensive and its better though. im just back to using dual desert eagles and an m16 xD

Yeah, I regret buying the Sten and the Thompson. Yes, they're better guns and I'm not complaining about quality. Well, except for the Sten (which is at least 10k more than the M4 but has a crappy fire rate. The clip size is the only positive.).

Let's all rage about how crappy the guns on iEra are >:] I mean AP0....what's that about...am I right? ;)

Well, this thread went heavily off topic :3

I say revert it back to its original stats AYE! I'm sure many KSG users in game who don't log on to graalians would agree, if you want I can set a in game campaign out for the vote of the KSG future.

Classic has a piano at 50k, a 2 person mount at 50k and another at 100k.

this thread is sooooo dumb. they arent going to refund you if they did the rest of us would get pist off. cause i bought an ap0 and i regretted it. but dont go on the forums and go REFUND MY GUN.

It has the same RoF as the M4 if you semi-auto or move around while shooting.

And then everyone that gets killed by the re-overpowered KSG gets pissed.

Doesn't feel that way. Seems I get owned when using the Sten, while the M4 seems to be much better.

Anyway, I'm off topic. I'll stop talking about guns not related to the KSG.

Snake, would freeze help the balancing of the KSG? I suggest resetting the stats. Then resetting the shield to block actual bullets like it was when it was released. Then, whenever the shield is equipped, load on the freeze, since you know that shield must be heavy!

Please don't rage on me, I read the other posts. I'm just curious about the possible effects of freeze upon wielding the shield.

Why not?

Yep, I want the block as high as possible too, the freeze and fire rate aren't really that important... If the damage is 3 and the block rate is 85%, with no damage reduction but occasionally blocking the total damage of the bullet (85% chance) I think it'll be okay again :)

The block doesn't even have to be that high. I was thinking 75-80% or less. Make the damage 4 per bullet so it's a total of 12 damage close range. (3 bullets total right?)

No, two.. I agree on 4 damage per bullet, with 85 % chance of blocking because the KSG only shoots two bullets. It won't be overpowered since the clip size is low and there will be a big freeze and a slow-down when firing, so it will be easy to walk around the KSG.

4/5 shots do no damage?
lolnope

You shoot about 30 shots in just 10 seconds, and as I said you can easily walk around the KSG so it wíll do damage. Plus, the damage is low so it won'd be overpowered. It has to be this high, it's a freaking riot shield, worth 75000. The price/ quality has to be balanced, and with 25 % blocking rate it is nót balanced.

Tec9 is good,you're just crappy. ^_^

Oh and btw I beat deagles and m16 ez with tec

I fully agree on this ! :)

No, 3 damage is already good.

First and foremost, congratulations for dragging out a thread that didn't need to be dragged out. Since you decided to do that, I'm going to tell you why you're wrong; the thread was already dragged out, so I might as well. Okay, so from your post, I gathered that you're telling me this in two different ways that are incorrect:


1. It isn't a riot shield you're paying the 75,000 for, its the gun AND the riot shield. You should be thankful you were even given a riot shield, it's the only gun in the game with that effect. Now, again, this having been said, the KSG alone should not perform like a 75k gun, because it isn't even a 75k gun to begin with. The riot shield itself is probably a little under half of its actual price, making it about, say, 30k. The KSG is really probably only about a 45k gun. So don't complain that the price/performance ratio is off for the gun itself.

2. Also, you're implying that out of the 30 shots (also incorrect) that are fired in said gunfight hit. That is incorrect - out of the 20~ shots that are fired in 10 seconds, probably only about 4 or 5 of them hit. Under this pretense, given your 80% block rate, one bullet out of every five will hit and inflict damage. In ten seconds, the enemy will hit one bullet. Seeing as everyone uses a 9 damage M4, it can take up to a whole MINUTE for a gunfight to end against a KSG user. Do you know how long a minute is? Take your favorite song and divide it by three, maybe four. There you have it, a minute long gunfight against the KSG. In that minute that the enemy that has hit 6 bullets in a minute, you've probably hit at least 10 in 30 seconds. That would be ridiculously long and tedious for both users, and isn't going to work out.

Please stop dragging out a thread like this, because everything that needed to be said has been said in 10+ other pages. There really isn't any more arguing to be needed, Snake already said the KSG will stay the way it is - and if it reverts to its original state, a vote would have to be in place. If it doesn't pass, it doesn't pass. If it does, the people that wanted the KSG nerfed will start up again, on here and on iEra, and it will be reverted back to this state that it currently is at.

This thread feels like English class. Essays everywhere

You know what then the only way we can all b bloody happy is to refund everyone's 75k and delete the gun from iera...

Just be glad there aren't typos everywhere...

We would all be happy if everyone just shut up and sucked it up :D. Let's delete you from iEra instead.

That's a great idea!!