Graalians - Mining and woodcutting nerf

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- - Mining and woodcutting nerf (https://www.graalians.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32365)

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Posted by Connortehpotato (Post 642759)

Buff every skill so people make more gralats, in doing this it will make people buy gralat packs. Got it!

He clearly did not say that? He said buff the jobs as it make the game feel less of a chore. If the jobs are buffed or not, people would still buy gralat packs. There are those lazy people out there that would want to take the easy way out even if jobs gave good payout. You all are making this server feel p2w when it shouldn't be that case. Mining should not have gotten a nerf. Woodcutting definitely did not need a nerf. Only job that needed a nerf was bug catching but then again that was too severe. As Ghetto said, West is just Era without all the bs of spammy guns or free EC. But with the nerfs happening and the prices rising, this can be very well a rip-off of Era. It is turning into that pretty much.

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Posted by xSupah* (Post 642769)

Woodcutting definitely didn't need a Nerf especially since its a lot more tougher to get to lvl 85 rather than mining, fossil trees are like Rubies in mining and in mining, before you can get to diamond you can mine emerald....compare that to woodcutting and all you get is fossil trees. The point is that, woodcutting has less trees which means harder to level up.

The best things in this game are free.

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Posted by Connortehpotato (Post 642759)

Buff every skill so people make more gralats, in doing this it will make people buy gralat packs. Got it!

No you ****ing ******. Let me flowchart it out

Buff jobs = more money for less grinding
Less grinding = larger playerbase
Larger player base = more money cause no matter how easy something is people will always try to avoid it cause we would rather be playing the game not grinding and making it a chore to have fun
Releasing more items (doesn't need to be expensive, maybe 30k tops) = more things for players to buy
More things for players to buy = more money to spend therefore people will buy packs. Also will convert a large portion of most graal to old west because you guys are actually releasing things and are offering a fair deal to players.

Now since the man upstairs doesn't give 2 ****s because classic and era are making so much money for him, you can get away with this. Its not as profitable as nerfing everything to the ground and praying that people will stay. it can be very profitable though if you guys realese stuff like crazy. But if you want to grow a game and make a top game that graal could easily do since theres nothing like it on the appstore, then you gonna need to sacrifice profit and laziness and give the players a good deal. Thats one of the main reasons why graal gets up to like 4k and stops.

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 643109)

The grind is the fun nerd. Buy packs if you don't want to partake in games skilling content because its obviously too hard for you.

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Posted by Connortehpotato (Post 643113)

The grind is the fun nerd. Buy packs if you don't want to partake in games skilling content because its obviously too hard for you.

Holy. One thing I see is that all of the staff of Ol'West is defending this change to the extreme. Suck-ups much? Afraid to lose that position? The thing is it's not too hard for me. Heck, it's not too hard for none of us. Buy a pickaxe and mine or get a axe and woodcut. What we are trying to say is the nerfs to the jobs were not needed as you will always have people buying packs anyway. It's no point grinding if everything is nerfed to the ground. Shoulda just very well left the jobs alone. And grinding is fun? That's funny, even for this game. There are some games where grinding is fun and enganging and others that make it feel more of a chore. Here, it's boring and even more time-consuming considering what you all have done. Maybe grinding is fun to you for this server "nerd". Stop being such a suck-up.

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 643109)

it can be very profitable though if you guys realese stuff like crazy.

You cant simply constantly release things like crazy. that is not sustainable and you end up with a server overloaded with items in a very short time.

its been over a year and even with our super easy super op jobs and cheap prices we haven't had a steady growing player count. that said i don't think your idea about how undercutting other servers jobs and prices will steal players from other servers or get people to stay at ol west has been working too well. as i have said before being able to get everything easily makes it so people don't have to commit to the server to get anywhere in it so they don't stick around.

considering you are not a steady member of the ol west community and don't even know what is happening i don't think you have a credible opinion on whats happening here.

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Posted by Connortehpotato (Post 643113)

The grind is the fun nerd. Buy packs if you don't want to partake in games skilling content because its obviously too hard for you.

>grinding
>fun
http://imgur.com/YFx5CNC.jpg

Thats cute, what if you are a jew with your money like me and hoard every shekel you have and need to spend on things you need like food, shelter, books for school etc. but you want to play ol west but the game takes so fuggin long to grind out jobs to get a decent weapon that you can stand a chance with. Whats going to happen? You do nothing but grind and your gun is still no where near good enough to compete with others cause this aint izone. I really want to play ol west and see how things have changed since the start but i do not have time to grind out ol west when i have school finals AND sports after school. I do not want to sell my soul to graal and be stuck grinding every time i get a break. No i want to have a social life.

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Posted by Slick Vogediz (Post 643253)

holy **** dude that sounds like lazyness. You do guns. Wanna know how many guns i cranked out and 100% balanced in my first month of izone guns? Well over 17. Thats over 17 unique guns that have been field tested, used in combat, and did all the calculations of kill time and bullets to kill. Spent one hour a day in my ac lab just doing gun stats and testing them.

True im not an old west player. I want to be though. But i have been an OG iera and iclassic player (classic not so much) along with a very long standing izone player and I have seen the mistakes they made. I played through the golden age of izone and iera before it went to ****. I can tell you this right now. You are making the same mistakes as they did before. I know ol west has no growing player count, but holy **** the one thing it did right was it was very easy to get into. Current player count last i checked is average 200-700 about 6-7 months ago. Wanna know why you have no players? Not enough content. Do not give me the BS of hue there overflowing items. Theres no such thing. Gamers want more, there is no such thing as enough. If you do it right, you can release a ton of stuff as long as they are in a good porportion. Not do what iera did and release nothing but terrible melee weapons for a year. That got people mad about but dammit everyone was buying them meaning a majority of players wanted more melees.

Try it, i dare you to buff jobs to fishing levels, release items like crazy, rebalance the game. Your player count will rise. Hell even if you rebalance the game alone good enough your player count will rise. After the first round of rehauling izones guns, our player count average went up by 150. Because lower priced guns are able to compete with the top tier guns easily thus making less grinding more shooting and having fun so more people gonna play and stick with the game.

I love how salty people are on the Ol west forums

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 643257)

>grinding
>fun

Thats cute, what if you are a jew with your money like me and hoard every shekel you have and need to spend on things you need like food, shelter, books for school etc. but you want to play ol west but the game takes so fuggin long to grind out jobs to get a decent weapon that you can stand a chance with. Whats going to happen? You do nothing but grind and your gun is still no where near good enough to compete with others cause this aint izone. I really want to play ol west and see how things have changed since the start but i do not have time to grind out ol west when i have school finals AND sports after school. I do not want to sell my soul to graal and be stuck grinding every time i get a break. No i want to have a social life.

holy **** dude that sounds like lazyness. You do guns. Wanna know how many guns i cranked out and 100% balanced in my first month of izone guns? Well over 17. Thats over 17 unique guns that have been field tested, used in combat, and did all the calculations of kill time and bullets to kill. Spent one hour a day in my ac lab just doing gun stats and testing them.

True im not an old west player. I want to be though. But i have been an OG iera and iclassic player (classic not so much) along with a very long standing izone player and I have seen the mistakes they made. I played through the golden age of izone and iera before it went to ****. I can tell you this right now. You are making the same mistakes as they did before. I know ol west has no growing player count, but holy **** the one thing it did right was it was very easy to get into. Current player count last i checked is average 200-700 about 6-7 months ago. Wanna know why you have no players? Not enough content. Do not give me the BS of hue there overflowing items. Theres no such thing. Gamers want more, there is no such thing as enough. If you do it right, you can release a ton of stuff as long as they are in a good porportion. Not do what iera did and release nothing but terrible melee weapons for a year. That got people mad about but dammit everyone was buying them meaning a majority of players wanted more melees.

Try it, i dare you to buff jobs to fishing levels, release items like crazy, rebalance the game. Your player count will rise. Hell even if you rebalance the game alone good enough your player count will rise. After the first round of rehauling izones guns, our player count average went up by 150. Because lower priced guns are able to compete with the top tier guns easily thus making less grinding more shooting and having fun so more people gonna play and stick with the game.

thats great you were able to do that for zone. I am working a guns project for ol west as well. thus the lack of new guns being released. i was on OG member of era as well. played it for years and and went through the entire growth process with that till it lost its interest for me.
I don't think you understand just how easy ol west is, still, to get into if you are talking gralats wise. I'll use someone i know personally as an example here. He has a total online time of 36 hours and has obtained over 100,000 gralats (thats after having bought any relevant guns and melees) from purely farming with a bit of bit of low level mining and fishing. now tell me that is hard to get into.
I'll agree with you people always want more more more of course but from a development standpoint where you actually have to come up with ideas and create the mass quantities of items it is unrealistic unless we are just going to recolor existing things and nobody likes that.

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Posted by ForeverWinter (Post 643270)

I love how salty people are on the Ol west forums

Lol, iera forums are like blocks of salt

In this is sorta off topic but, I just thought of why not buff certain jobs by seasons, for example bugs for spring, fishing for summer, mining & farming for fall/autumn and woodcutting and fire making for winter.

When I mean by buff the prices go up during the season..unless we can think of another way to buff jobs.

It is what it is. They need to make money. So be glad they didn't make it 100% Gralats packs only like classic. Just do the jobs that do the best outcome.

I lvl up for fun and make money on the side from it. Never to worry about Gralats packs myself. I do it while watching tv/movies.

I even love the market on the game where you have to really think what will have the best income at the end of the day. I have a few weapons and items that are rare and are easy to sell.

Farming should also be nerfed with crops that die over time, longer wait times, and lower profits.