Im all for this! :D

If this was brought back, the loads of boosting will be sky-rocketed.

Not at all, the leader boards make it impossible to gain kills at a more than normal rate without broadcasting it to the entire server.

I don't see the necessity of a spar hat. It won't let you gain any skill if players will just "select spar" to whatever the amount is to achieve the hat. It'll draw many players to the sparring community but it'll take out the competitive aspect of sparring.

Selective sparring is much slower than just going into mixed and streaking. That's why all those boosters and selective sparrers have ratios of "640:32" instead of "18954:1256." It would take a long time to get up to a high number of spars by doing that, and I wouldn't consider it a big issue if there are those who just lame their way up there. Not like they'd be credited by the community, they'd just get another hat for themselves. The hats would inspire me to spar a lot more in singles for sure. I hardly ever single spar, just over 3k total spars played for me, but if these were reintroduced I would assume a lot of people like me would begin to spar more for a goal.

Yeah, I don't see many selective sparrers with a high ratio. I only know of one that has 15k+ wins. Anyways, implementing these hats would push players to actively spar more. Don't think this would take long to implement anyways, there's already a few spar hats they just need to re-add.

I know a ton of players who have boosted their spar statistic from quick spar rooms, most of them have over 10k+ spar wins now. Not even surprised beating them in spar and see them exiting room after the first match.

I have measured my own ratio for both quick spar and streak rooms about two months ago.
And the results were like this:
Quick spar 35(W)-5(L) EST/CT school lunch hour - (45 min)
there were about 4-6 people.
Streak room 52(W)-5(L) EST/CT school lunch hour - (45 min)
there were about 3-8 people.
Quick spar 50(W)-12(L) EST/CT Afternoon/Evening - (1 hour and 30 min)
there were about 8-15 people.
Streak room 30(W)-23(L) EST/CT Afternoon/Evening - (1 hour and 30 min)
there were about 6-20 people.
To summarize the thing I wrote above this is that sparring during the morning/school hour is very efficient for boosters. There aren't many people sparring, even if there is it's all noobs.

If spar achievement hats are added back. I assume sparring at quick spar would take much longer than before.
Every spar room will be filled with at least 10+ people during the US evening hours.
Having more sparrers sparring will reduce the amount of boosters.

BRING BACK SPAR HATS
 

everyone knows who the boosters are anyway, scrubs like "Pete" and 3xcite and blah, blah, blah, over 10k spars and have literally NEVER been spotted in the main room

no reason to let those nubs hold back a good thing

I support this 100%.

This thread is now just the same people constantly telling us they want this so they can bump the thread.

Haven't really contributed to this thread much but I just want to say that on threads where people say sparring is dying, Thallen objects, so really he's just doing this for more hats rather than actually trying to "revive" the sparring community.

Also I honestly don't think BK should get a prize, it is way easier to BK than it is to PK, so in my honest opinion BK hats shouldn't be added.

And Thallen literally gets a hat at every GST tournament so I don't know why he wants to have an incentive for 1v1 sparring. If anything he should be trying to find an incentive for guild sparring other than the GST because 1v1 sparring is way more active than guild sparring.

If the milestones Thallen suggested would be implemented, I would automatically get 3 hats, but really I have no purpose for that because what is the point? If you have a lot of spar wins people will know, you don't need a hat to show-off even more. And don't say "I don't care about the hat I just want sparring to be more active" because you and I both know that isn't true at all.

Also the "give the unchosen hat to whoever is at the top of the leaderboard" is honestly a bad idea because it is literally the same people on the leaderboard every month. You've gone from "give a hat to people with x wins" to "give a hat to the person at the top of the leaderboard". Sorry, but no, this wouldn't give an incentive for people to keep sparring because when you only have one (and probably the same) person getting a hat every few months, people will give up because they know either Sarah or Thallen will be getting 2 hats during that GST; one from winning the tournament and one from being at the top of the leaderboard.

You can say this is a poor argument, but I never knew that Thallen or Sarah were afraid of losing their spot to "Original DragonAssasinSlayer138" on the leaderboard.

If your goal is to actually encourage people to spar (which, quite evidently, it isn't), why do you? What is the point of that? To beat new people everyday? Why do you want the sparring community to be more active? You have not given an actual statement as to why you want the sparring community to be more active.

I don't see this being added anytime soon. (Not before any bigger and more important updates, at least.)

Thallen has not topped the spar leaderboards for a while. I didn't read much of the rest of this so nothing else to really say.

>people want spar hats not to revive the community but to get more hats (peoples' logic who is against the idea)

You guys fail to realize that by them wanting this idea for 'hats' they would be required to spar more and so would everyone else on Graal who just wants the 'hats' therefore the idea of them just wanting hats is pretty much going to revive the spar community

T'was an exaggeration, every month the people at the top of the leaderboard are pretty much the same people (similar to how Alumni is a recurring first place winner in the GST).

Anyways that statement was pretty much talking about Thallen's other idea, which wasn't what the thread was originally made to talk about.

Thallen originally stated he wanted to revive the sparring community but on threads where people state that sparring is dead, he objects. That makes me wonder why he really wants these hats brought back.

And because I know someone is going object my statement, here is a thread that shows Thallen denying the idea of sparring being dead: http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...ng+dead&page=5

So now, what exactly is the point of bringing spar hats back again? So Thallen can have more hats? Because he sure doesn't want to revive it like he's saying he does.

The spar community isn't "Dead", Thallen just wants more people to actively spar(A majority of sparrers do, it's not for the wins it's for the competition everyone can get better at spar it just takes practice), comparing spar to a few years ago it is dead, obviously you don't seem to understand this logic. 09-24-2013, 12:53 PM Thats the date and time Thallen said sparring wasn't dead 2 years ago.

You people are worse than hat traders in TF2 holy jesus

That thread was created in September 2013. Thallen created this one in March 2014. So when he made this thread he actually said sparring wasn't dead only five months before. He claimed in the OP that he wanted this to increase activity but only five months previously did he say that sparring wasn't dead. :\

So that makes me wonder why he wanted this in the first place. It clearly isn't for the reasons he said.

*mental note* don't try to troll common sense, she/he does good investigative work.


Comet made a comment a while back about people only pitching ideas that would bring a benefit to them if they get implemented and that is true most of the time. I think we both know why they want the hats, but they will never admit it in public. It embarrasses players to admit they want a hat because it makes them feel "important" because only a few people have it.

I did not bother reading all of this , however to the main point of adding hats back please do so because someone players such as my self need some sort of motivation / goal to achieve to increase competition ... At the moment single spar is so pointless I literallu join the queue when I'm bored and give people easy wins as I dont even feel like sparing seriously

#BanHimForBoosting

Way more than a 'few' people would have this hat because it is something that anyone can achieve and it is not a limited time item therefore having it does make anyone seem more important than anyone else.

Although, it'd be fun to have it as a sign of dominance over the noobs who suck and can't get one.

Sounds like an excuse for having a bad ratio

A lot can change in 5 months and unless you analyzed the spar community within that time frame you have no basis to state that it did not die down, whereas Thallen and the numerous other spar people in this thread have been seeing the community on a daily basis and can easily tell whether it is dying or not.

I'm an active sparrer myself, and I see no need for this. Especially since the guy who is proposing the idea is just doing it to have more hats, which, is completely fine with me, but he should just say he's just proposing the hats to be brought back because he wants more hats.

I personally don't think sparring is dying, but that's just my opinion. I honestly don't see a need for this.

because I constantly wear all 12 of my GST and tower hats (nope)
because I rush into a mad dash to immediately put out hats when I finish a tower guild (Glyph took 6 months, Unreal still doesn't have theirs because I care so little about it)
because I haven't posted in the constant threads where people complain about the quality of GST hats telling them it isn't a big deal (while having won them for a year straight now)

you aren't an active sparrer either, you're just some trash poster who hides behind a name and makes the claim to try and give your garbage posts weight
doesn't matter if you see a need for it anyway because it's being done, it's just a matter of when - people bump this thread as a reminder of FP4's promise, not to gain support from plebs like you

hahaha, people will have hats that you don't, you mad, etc.

Ok Thallen. Ok. Whatever you say.

Yes. I'm so mad Thallen. I'm so mad that I'm not as good as you. I'm furious. So angry. I can't even contain my anger. I'm outraged. Omg. I'm not getting a hat. So angry.

Is this something that should be at the top of the developers' priorities list? Surely they have more important things to work on. I don't think bumping this thread continually is necessary. This shouldn't be at the top of a priorities list. It isn't game-breaking without this.

Why does the sparring community need to be active? It's not like the community is absolutely dead. It's not. And even if it was, why would you need to stir up more activity? Please give me a valid reason as to why the community needs to be active.

Here's what's gonna happen if this is added: Hat prizes will be released, for one week all the role-players from Graal city will be in the Battle Arena, after a week there will be three different threads complaining about the quality of the hats, and then everything will go back to the way it was and the only people who will be sparring will be the same people who were there in the first place, with the exception of one or two people who migrated from the Burger Refuge to the Battle Arena.

hahaha, people disagree with your idea and give valid reasons as to why they don't agree, you call people "mad" and "jealous" because they don't agree with you, etc.

As I read through this thread, the only thing you say when someone disagrees with you is that "they're angry that they aren't gonna get a hat and they're gonna be jealous because you'll have something they don't".

Can you think of anything else other than "you'll be jealous" to back up your argument? If you can't, then it's a poor argument to begin with. I could care less if you have a hat I don't. So no, I'm not jealous.

What the hell did I just read...

Keep reading, there's more to it. :D

Bringing hats back would Give me a reason to go for 20k I got lazy :(

You being lazy is a perfect excuse for you to hit the gym!!! or the bricks; I forget the expression.

Common sense is always arguing on Graalians. And you can't say what's going to happen when relativity surrounds your life, chump.

Thallen- get me on that unfinished tower hat tip, I want hats

GTFO everyone else, spar hats would be way cool. I think it should be seasonal I want more hats. I mean seasonal as in every season there is a bar to reach to earn hat.

This right here is what makes you trash, thallen. Nobody cares about your stats or your "accomplishments". You treat others and their work like trash. You didn't hold that tower for 1k hours, you guild did. And now you sit here and publicly say you don't give a **** about any of them.

But it's a hat

Release an NPC in Destiny this week that checks your stats to allow you to be rewarded with corresponding hat(s)

bump. these need to be added. I'm almost at 10k and I believe rather then getting just a number on you're profile you also deserve some sort of Hat or Mount/gani

I agree

Holy **** I haven't seen Zachary Quinto in so longgggggggggg! I don't even care about Star Trek just that he's the badass from Heroes.


Also maybe reward spar hats to leaderboard leaders.

^^^ Quoting myself ;3

Battle Arena / Mod Library would make more sense

Yeah who's got time to all the way to destiny man it's way toooooo far! Do it in battle Arena!

I honestly don't care where.

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Release an NPC anywhere that checks your stats to allow you to be rewarded with corresponding hat(s)

So has this been considered or...?

probably not

Like others said, it would be rewarding and a nice insignia to show off for spar wins. Would encourage others as well. Shame.

Do it soon...

Why is it taking so long to make?

Apparently,fp4 trolled all of you to think into that he's actually considering your suggestions but infect he isn't and the fact that he was so straight forward proved that he was pissed off at everyone's crying so he said that he will do it but he was determined in his mind that he wouldn't.You sir have been trolled.

Right, everyone in the (Hats) guild needs to make a hat each, then we'll have ~8 hats, if Ezio, vaazk, Zicknex (maybe myself!) made one too and we all sent them in, this could be added by the end of the week. AND IT WOULD BE FOR FREE FP4!

How'd you like them apples? @FP4

Keep dreaming bois

I just went through a huge pile of profiles. Lol i didnt know there were that many 10k+ wins players

If I can get 10k wins, anybody can.


Topic:
Fp4 said he was going to add them, but he forgot to mentioned it was added to Dusty's "To Do List"


Make sure these spar hats include cute ones, so the queen doesn't get emotional.


#ALLHAILSIRDUSTYTHECLOSESTTOAGODDEVELOPERGRAALHAS