Ruppy, Droid & Clops. Are yall gonna share GST video or not?

I one it all.

I don't record GST. I don't want to slow myself down while I'm actually fighting.

If S**** (LOL CENSOR) was actually banned, then that makes 2 GSTs that they've won using banned players. The GST won against Alumni, they used two banned players (Noss and Lethal). Abood was banned for us during that GST and we didn't use him. We'd have had a much higher chance of winning if we did.
Not saying that I don't think people like Fro, Hmong, NF, Domi, and others are very good sparrers, but playing outside of the rules is lame. No hate, they sparred better than my guild and deserved to win that match (at least from what I saw in the first round).

Exalt was also banned and he participated. There's plenty more. Just being honest. It's not fair to other guilds. Guilds should be banned from participating by guild tag if they do this.

Not my guild. People saying I carried them, I didn't. I played worse than I have in any Alumni GSTs, probably because I didn't practice very much. I did well but not my best. Watch 19:12-19:24 in Zetectic's video if you don't believe. They all did better than I expected.

Congrats to the winners, wasn't around to participate but that whole d/cing scenario during it must have been very annoying.

Didn't expect VIS to win, thought it would have went to Rebellious or Alumni.

Expected Deity to win tho.

btw who was [supposed to be] on Revenge? Tom and Dark were on Alumni. There were no members on Revenge tag, even before the server shut down.

https://www.youtube.com/user/RickClops/videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIJIXZC0uz8
._.;;;

If VIS on top of actually losing were using a banned player that just makes the win lame af and unworthy sorry to the friends I have in there

Don't quote me boy, cause I ain't said...

That last hit was "who delays the most?". Since reb's sparrer delayed more, it lasted longer for Vis's hit to register on him. If reb hit first, before vis got there, and server registered as a win, then sure they should have won. From the video being used as "evidence", it's really unclear what can be said, since I can only see reb's hit, and can't see if vis hit first or last, sadly.

The rules clearly state, "Anyone having excessive lag will be disqualified". Since staff does not want to exclude all foreign players, they should at least be fair on the tie hits. Next time just try to win by having more players/hp.

Kouji doesn't even delay lol

They should just remove the pop up then since it's what the admin decides and not what the server decides.

If it popped up saying they won, then they won, pretty simple

It popped up saying we won and told ViS they lost. Vis ran up to Lertcon and kept saying "tie". Then Lertcon said tie and that was that. And server did recognize we won @ Aguzo so no point in typing all of that. Plus you can see in the video Kouji dying AFTER, which does kind of prove why we would get the pop up message saying we won.

Does it not even say who won the spar at the bottom of the GST arenas? I never paid attention, but I don't see how otherwise most staff would know who won the "run around" HP ties without that, it should be added if it isn't there

I never paid attention to the bottom either, but if it doesn't I would still think the admin sees a pop up msg of some sort.

Do I get a gold star!

Mr. Lawyer you're suppose to be on my side not the enemy's...

This pretty much says what the pop up said for ViS. "i just thought we tied". He knows the pop up said ViS lost but he thought he tied since Kouji died after him.

BTW sorry for confusing u for hmong and den, couldn't remember who it was left with Kouji.

I sense another free VIP voucher for everyone in the near future.

kinda heartbreaking for the admin to call it a tie after kouji had a 1v3 or was it 1v2 clutch. Thought he'd be surprised that just happened but instead he just washed away that one highlight of the match

You guys have to think of all the times a delayer has won in singles spar for tie hits. The server can think whatever it wants, if both players died in the end, it's a tie.

Two warriors fight to the death, they both swing at the same time. One of them dies, and the other is left standing. But, little does he know that he is bleeding out, and dies a few minutes later. That fight would be a tie :)

I think the person who hosted that match was just trying to be as fair as possible.

Kouji died after because Domi delayed for a second and was able to land a hit on Kouji after being hit. Rebellious won.

The server is what verifies hit detection and if the server said that someone won then they won, arguing against that is kind of like arguing against a calculator on a math problem...

This is just not true, I've been in tons of spars where a player hits the other a frame before and they get the win because spars do not immediately end when the last hit is landed
There's a frame delay before the spar ends, which is obvious when you consider that you can see several frames of the death gani, that allows for both players to be hit in a certain time frame, but one of them will clearly land the hit first

There are situations where both players hit each other on the same frame but this isn't one of them

Yeah, I'd like to see real-time footage and not what you guys are using as proof. In that video I can't see if domi hit first or last.

And you would need to see who delays more. If kouji delays less than domi, and swung first, then domi clearly got the hit due to delay. But, if kouji delays more, and swung last, then he won only, because of delay. The server could have taken it's sweet time to register domi's hit on kouji, thus kouji dying last, and responds with Rebellious winning. You'll have to see who delays more, and who hit first.

Like I said tho, if both players die, it should be a tie.

It all depends on delay. We can't even see if Domi hit first or not. It all depends on who hit first, and who delayed more. All I see is the host was trying to make those last hits a fair decision.

There are a lot of matches that have been lost in singles by what should have been a tie hit, due to the winning player having more delay.


Now, what I want to know is. How come the match viewers are laggy? Is it some sort of stream, making it all warpy, or is it because there are a lot of players around in the same level?

Rebellious won and if that's not good enough ViS had a banned member, which full teams have been disqualified for in the past.

If they had a banned member, then yeah you guys won.

People saying, "oh, but not when we did gst in xxxx, xxxx team didn't get dq!"

True, but I think the hosts are still learning and are trying to change that. I'm sure next gst, there will be less issues. Maybe stricter rules.

arguing about the result of a match that can not be judged by human eye(since delay is involved) is actually pretty desperate to me.

I am not trying to take any side, but I support the admin trying to make the finals fair by giving Rebellious and VIS a final match to make things clear. If he/she declared Rebellious as winner, then this thread would probably be other way around, VIS arguing that it should have been a tie. He/she just tried to avoid argument like this(would of worked if Rebellious won the 7th match, but plan failed).

Except it wasn't a tie?? Because I hit first

If I delayed it would have shown domi hit before me in the video, this is not the case, because the video shows I hit first, and it doesn't even show him using his sword because he used it later than I did. There shouldn't have been a redo because there was already a winner. After my amazing performance and watching the pop-up say "You have won the spar!" I thought it was over.

this shouldnt be a surprise for some people but Im sure you guys have faced delayers and always have those moments where you are both at .5 and you swing you sword first then following delayer strikes back after you hit them and its considered tie instead of a win for you but the situation we are discussing about is when player 1 hit first and killed player 2 and then approximately nearly a second after player 1 died because of a martyrdom trick of player 2. This is from what I saw, I thought it was a tie too until rebellious said that the system declared them winner. It was really a close match but If the system says they won then they did, but if it was really a tie then the system would have said otherwise but this time it didnt

Let's not take away from VIS's win. It's over and everyone did a good job, banned players or not, gg.

Was fun.

The better team should always win delay or not. Don't try to trade hit for hit with a someone who delays and you're both .5. It's simple really and it's always been the case with delay. Nothing new. GG all teams and congratulations to VIS and Deity on a clean win.

Message said we won, not sure why people are trying to argue that. Comyt mentioned this happening to him in the past and his team stayed the winner. That's not consistent and it's admins making up rules as we go. Again with the banned players, you can't allow some teams to use them and disqualify others for doing the same, that's not fair.

Anyways, no idea why some of you are trying to make an argument out of this when Rebellious won that round, as the message said. You'd all be annoyed if this happened to your guild. For those who say ViS would be annoyed if they counted our win as a win, let's think about that. It said we won, therefore ViS has no argument.

ViS never won, so we aren't taking away anything from them @Contego. Rebellious is the one who had their win taken. Not sure how you and others find it impossible for an admin to be wrong.

Grats to reb for winning back to back Gsts!

alright so comyt (4 gst wins, at least 4 second place finishes, ~60k spar wins) and thallen (however many gst wins, 40k spar wins) vs aguzo (who even knows how many spar wins this clown has, all of his gst wins from being carried by alumni, graalbuster).

who are we going to listen to here lol

rebellious won
system's decision should be final decision

Bro u only have 50k...... nice try

Here you have Domi, a player well known for delay vs Kouji a US legend who has never been known for being a delayer in his time of graal lol. Kouji hit first and took down Domi. Rebellious Winner GG

54 or whatever im at plus ~7k on my noobs = at least 61k

Tego pretty much summed it up.

@dragonfly

I hope Admins do take this seriously and research further. If it is truly a "Rebellious win" then preventive measures should be taken for future GST's. For example, a scripted scoreboard for everyone in the room to see. Problem solve, don't dwell on the issue.

Goten, I agree I would definitely be "annoyed" if this were my team and it legitimately happened to us. However having said that, Admin's said "tie" (no?) not a VIS win. So was an opportunity to win given to both equally? Now if I'm understanding what happened and this was my team then I'd humbly accept my defeat with a pinch of saltiness.

I am curious to know if any VIS members had the chance to see "Win" "Lose" or "Tie" though. I sometimes end up missing what it says myself. But to be clear, if an Admin ever said "Tie" and we got the message "Lose" I would at least let the Admin know I saw "Lose".

i don't care how confident you are in your guildsparring ability thallen and i are both still way better than you in that field as well lol

lmk when you're in a "gst dream team" post

Your so mean

Rebellious saw win, so it's safe to say ViS saw the message saying they lost. Domi even mentioned in an earlier post that he " thought it tied", basically saying his screen showed a loss. I'm sure Lertcon can confirm this anyway.

Rebellious 2nd guild to win back2back idev gst

That guy is a little troll... you on the other hand... (didn't want to post, but you keep instigating)

What the hell does this have to do with anything

Bro your not even good, ever since Thallen gave you that ego you think your the **** at spar and guild spar.
last time we sparred I went 6-1 on you in mixed room, every lost you would :asleep:. There is 15 people in that list I regularly beat, when I sparred.

What the hell does this have to do with GST lol

Clearly this should have been a Rebellious win if they did in fact receive a message saying that they won the spar. This is how it always went down in previous GSTs and at the Battle Arena so I don't see how it's fair that they would do it different this time around. If the admins want to make it a tie when both players die, then they should change the scripting or at least notify us ahead of the tournament.

People like aguzo make me feel ashamed for sparring on pc

Mikva getting on once per 2 months just to troll doesn't count as being a sparrer or knowing anything about what's going on. Please stop and make yourself look better.

@Dante

Yeah I'd agree I guess. I don't know the details of what happened, haven't paid tons of attention, but this makes sense.

Can they do that though? Maybe by receiving the message a few seconds, after the server has processed that all players died.

server thinking process?
... no players left with 0.5/all players left with 0hp
... result: tie

I would say rebellious won if I could see when domi hit, but I can't see his sword. If domi swung after, then yeah rebel won. But alas, graalbusters needs more proof.

With my little eyes I spy a tie.

Personally idc what pops up with "win", "lose", or "tie". Admins are basically the refs. But as I said I would still tell the Admin I saw it say "lose" and prob just say "gg" if I were on VIS.

But if there were no refs then I'd agree Rebellious "win". And if the Admins want to say tie and I already told them I saw Lose, then I would definitely think it was fair to spar again.

PC Client, UN for example, two people sparring and both die everyone knows its a tie because they are both kicked from spar. But the score/streak tracker will still announce the winner. But everyone knows its obviously a tie.

Also on PC Client, back in the day before any indication of a win or loss from any script was around, a 3rd party or Host of the tourney would decide. Simple, who's left standing.

I still view it overall as a VIS win based on the video I watched because they killed each other and VIS closed it out in other matches.

Next time, just warp me in to finals. ill just record lag free and have a fair view.

what if a player die, then revive in split second and kills u and then server calls it a tie. lololol

dude but for real, just about a month ago *i posted in the bug section* i beat someone in spar and i had 1.5hp left, he revived and killed me then the system declared him as a winner. lmfao i was the first one ever to experience that.