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NCJohn 11-04-2012 01:43 AM
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Posted by Xavier (Post 226671)
True, but the government has always rewritten what it says it will do and not do. History repeats itself time and time again bud. :P World War III will come in due time.
Yes but who's says that World War III would require us to draft troops. We wouldn't have to draft if we invest in a superior military before hand.

Talon 11-04-2012 06:53 AM
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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 226192)
No we need ships. We dont need to build them we need to upgrade older ones. Beside america is in huge debt and this will just make the debt even larger. Along with this metal prices wil skyrocket and most everything is made from metal. Also he wants more m1 abrams. This too will contribute big time to skyrocketing prices. The only good thing this will do is put people to work. But building a warship takes a crap ton of guys and americas navy labor wont have the man power needed. Now what will take a huge spike is oil prices. Why simplie because warships take a crap ton of oil to run.

No aircraft now a days can deal MASSIVE damage to ships with rocket pods, heat seaking missiles. Now they dont deal as much damage as a gun from a ship directly. But planes are much more consistant and accurate than main guns leading to higher damages in the end.
And here I thought it was bad that people based their gun knowledge off of CoD/BF/whatever.

Ryan 11-04-2012 07:14 AM
Not from america but go the black guy

Pazx 11-04-2012 07:54 AM
Americans, don’t forget to set your clocks back an hour on Sunday. And don’t forget to not set your country back 50 years on Tuesday.

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Posted by Ryan (Post 226907)
Not from america but go the black guy
I think this is a nice way to end the discussion.

Dmitri* 11-04-2012 08:20 PM
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Posted by Pazx (Post 226915)
Americans, don’t forget to set your clocks back an hour on Sunday. And don’t forget to not set your country back 50 years on Tuesday.



I think this is a nice way to end the discussion.
Well, 50 years ago was 1962. Our economy was much stronger than we have today in 2012. So your argument is invalid.

Imprint 11-05-2012 12:50 AM
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Posted by Dmitri* (Post 227223)
Well, 50 years ago was 1962. Our economy was much stronger then we have today in 2012. So your argument is invalid.
There's this thing called progress, it means the word is not the same it was 50 years ago. So your argument is invalid.

Jones 11-05-2012 02:18 AM
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Posted by NCJohn (Post 226691)
Yes but who's says that World War III would require us to draft troops. We wouldn't have to draft if we invest in a superior military before hand.
Yeah we should push military spending up to 8 trillion dollars to prepare for World War 3 right???? :rolleyes:

You know what i think Romney is doing, he saying things to appeal to the "tea party movement" although he himself is actually moderate. He needs the support from the far right. (John Macian tried this by choosing Sarah Palin and failed) But by doing this, the people don't know whether to believe him or not. They don't know if they should trust him

In the end even if one of them wins, without a popular vote (majority) there will always be a political gridlock and the U.S. wouldn't be better off than before the election.

Rexx 11-05-2012 03:26 AM
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Posted by Yephenpeace (Post 226540)
I don't like either of them.



The deficit is terrible right now. I don't think the media is overreacting at all.

Obama didn't prevent a second great depression, they're just raising the debt limit. Yes people are still buying things, but a vast majority of them are using credit cards and racking up a lot of debt. Is there mass poverty? Yes there is, and it's quite evident that job market is absolutely awful.

Also, check this out: http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Pretty scary to see how much it goes up in a matter of seconds.
How did he not prevent a second great depression? If he didn't bail out the banks MILLIONS wouldve been locked out of their bank accounts, then there would've been no money at all. He bailed out the auto companies from bankruptcy and laying off all their employees.
You're blind if you don't see what he prevented.
There's homeless people in the streets in every city, there is not mass poverty, or you're idea of poverty is highly askewed.

GotenGraal 11-05-2012 03:44 AM
Tough decision because Romney seems to think of America as a business and Obama not being racist doesn't know what the hell he's doing. First off I think it's safe to say Obama just got president because he is black. Most of Obama's votes were based on the fact "He will be our first black president" that's it not based on anything he said. It's kind of sad how people jusr mindlessly vote without having any knowledge about either canidate. I'm for Romney though because he seems like he will actually get some stuff done.

Yephenpeace 11-05-2012 03:51 AM
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Posted by Rexx (Post 227421)
How did he not prevent a second great depression? If he didn't bail out the banks MILLIONS wouldve been locked out of their bank accounts, then there would've been no money at all. He bailed out the auto companies from bankruptcy and laying off all their employees.
You're blind if you don't see what he prevented.
There's homeless people in the streets in every city, there is not mass poverty, or you're idea of poverty is highly askewed.
I never said he didn't accomplish anything. I said he didn't prevent a second great depression. Adding to the amount of debt you can have does not remove the debt. It's still there. Also, there is still mass poverty regardless of how evident it is to you. I wasn't directly referring to homelessness. I was referring to job losses and huge financial debt, which is common in North America.

My point was that it's looking pretty bad, and seemingly getting worse. I think it's far more blind to think that USA is perfect just because consumerism still takes place.

NCJohn 11-05-2012 03:53 AM
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Posted by Rexx (Post 227421)
He bailed out the auto companies from bankruptcy and laying off all their employees.
The auto industry didn't need the bail out though. Look at Ford, they didn't take any government money and they're still doing fine. On the other hand you have Chrysler taking the bailout money then selling out to Fiat who is now outsourcing the production of Jeeps to china. The auto industry bailout was more unnecessary spending just like Obama's Stimulus Plan.

Rexx 11-05-2012 03:55 AM
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Posted by Yephenpeace (Post 227430)
I never said he didn't accomplish anything. I said he didn't prevent a second great depression. Adding to the amount of debt you can have does not remove the debt. It's still there. Also, there is still mass poverty regardless of how evident it is to you. I wasn't directly referring to homelessness. I was referring to job losses and huge financial debt, which is common in North America.

My point was that it's looking pretty bad, and seemingly getting worse. I think it's far more blind to think that USA is perfect just because consumerism still takes place.
When did I imply America is perfect.

LiA 11-05-2012 04:07 AM
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Posted by Pazx (Post 226339)
Your wonderful Mitt Romney:
thinks windows in airplanes should open
believes that rapists should have parental rights over children resulting from the rape they committed.
He is crazy.

Yephenpeace 11-05-2012 04:13 AM
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Posted by Rexx (Post 227433)
When did I imply America is perfect.
You implied that it was in decent shape financially because people are still purchasing things.

As stated in the following:

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Posted by Rexx (Post 225826)
So, Obama prevented a second Great Depression. Things could have been a lot worse.
Go to your local mall, are people still buying things? Yes.
Go to the gas station, are people still buying gas? Yes.
Is there mass poverty and hunger riots? No.

The country is not in as bad as shape as politicians or the media makes it out to be. We are sure as heck doing a lot better than many other countries.
I was stating my opinion on the matter, and I just don't think the media is overreacting. Debt and financial struggle are quite evident.

grimReapr24 11-05-2012 06:28 AM
You want this man to be our president?: http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=EpGH0...%3DEpGH02DtIws


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