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GlazeyB 07-09-2015 01:06 AM

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Posted by PumaD (Post 589629)
lul glazey lulll

I wanted to troll Kendama a bit to be fair, regardless of my opinion being no different.

saw ****ing nothing.

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Posted by Kendama (Post 589646)
The USA is not "the reason there is a lot of terrorism now". The USA has obliterated terrorist groups yet they keep coming back under different leaderships and radical "ideas".

Ehhh, we kinda create them when it suits us.

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Military operations in unstable regions have been FAR from perfect and have inflicted civilian casualties and invoked hatred from certain regions. But, the USA is not the "reason" terrorism exists now. Terrorists cause terror, the United States has tried it's best with many successes and failures.
We made the region unstable though.

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You have no idea where the world would be if the United States has not stepped in to stop terrorist efforts, and don't act like you do. Give me a plausible scenario in which terrorism would be less of a threat if we did not get involved.
You have no idea where the world be if Hitler won WW2. If scenarios are **** for arguments.

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But if you are going to say that we are (part) of the reason terror exists, and that we have not stopped several dangerous rising groups, i want to see some damn facts.
Two of the most known terror organizations, al-qaeda and ISIS were results of our actions. ****, with what Bush/Cheney has done down in G-Bay, we kinda terrorists ourselves.

Crono 07-09-2015 01:11 AM

A lot of the "conspiracy theories" about the US's 'secret' involvement in propping dictators and basically taking a **** on various peoples wound up being true. Holding modern Americans responsible for it is kind of a **** move though, this **** happened almost half a century ago.

Superpowers throughout the history of civilization influence weaker ones and pull strings. It's what they do. Better it be the US than Russia or China imo.

PumaD 07-09-2015 01:13 AM

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Posted by 5hift (Post 589654)
Instead of just talking **** can you guys provide valid ideas on how America can improve its fight against terrorism?

All I see here is "Wahhh, America isn't doing a good job, wahhh."

Being productive is one thing, but the effectiveness of that productivity is something else entirely.

Ironically, the US hasn't been too productive lately in the fight against ISIS as far as I know.



1. Long time peace and security conference of the Muslim states to the settlement of her interstate conflicts (Middle-East-KSZE). Also between Sunni and Shiite countries. Some governments of the Middle East are hard jointly guilty in the chaos of the region and their countries. For many, social justice is a foreign word.

2. removal of all Western military bases in the Muslim world. They are remnants of colonialism humiliating, no one needs to die. Also we have no military bases in China. Ami go home!

2. Dismantling of all western military bases in the Muslim world. They are mortifying oddments of the colonialism which nobody needs/wants. Noone haves military bases in China. As in, yank go home!

3. Renunciation of wars of the west against the Muslim world. The western wars let the number of the international terrorists since 9/11 of 1000 on more than 100,000 explode. The Middle East sinks into terrorism. We (not pointing USA only now but countires who shut their mouth and just tolerated and supported this) have bred terrorism itself.

4. Strict non-intervention in the internal affairs of other countries (--> Kant). This is also valid for Saudi Arabia and Iran. The Muslim countries must solve her conflicts themselves. Even the IS conflict.

5. The west should treat the Muslim world as generously and fairly like Israel.

6. Termination of racist and Religiosen discrimination of Muslims in the countries of the Western world. Punishment of insulting religions and Religiosen groups (sedition) - expressly Promoted As explained in paragraphs 166 and 130 of the German Criminal Code. Our judges have no right to certain laws and regulations simply do not apply. This is criminal (!) Broke the law.

6. Ending of the racist and religious discrimination of the Muslims in the countries of the western world. Punishment of the insults of religions and religious groups (incitement of the people) - how in the section 166 and 130 of the German Criminal Code expressly demanded. Judges do not have the right not to apply certain sections simply. This is a punishable (!) legal declension. You can take this point into your own law since I have no clue about any but German law.

7. combat all forms of terrorism in the world - whether left-wing extremism, right-wing extremist separatist, religious or otherwise motivated - with the classic police means of fighting terrorism (!): Infiltration, surveillance, money, special forces, etc. but not with clever terrorist breeding program War ,

7. Fight of all kinds of the terrorism of the world - all the same whether left extremist, of the extreme right separatist, religiously or in any way motivates - with the classical police (!) means of the anti-terror fight: Infiltration, supervision, money, special commands etc. However, not with the failed terror breeding program war.

The western one and the Muslim world need a new thinking. In the justice and education are in the foreground and not armoured deliveries and oil contracts. Offensive warfares and terrorism are a crime compared with the humanity.

This applies to more than only one side, only to the States. But then again, all countries have to stick together otherwise it won't be that easy and any effective.
Don't mind the bad English.

5hift 07-09-2015 02:30 AM

Walls of text are murder so I'll try to break this down the best I can.

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Posted by PumaD (Post 589658)
1. Long time peace and security conference of the Muslim states to the settlement of her interstate conflicts (Middle-East-KSZE). Also between Sunni and Shiite countries. Some governments of the Middle East are hard jointly guilty in the chaos of the region and their countries. For many, social justice is a foreign word.

I'm no history expert but I'm sure something like this was arranged some time ago. Of course, whether or not it was successful is kinda obvious at this point considering the nations continue to attack each other.

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Posted by PumaD (Post 589658)
2. removal of all Western military bases in the Muslim world. They are remnants of colonialism humiliating, no one needs to die. Also we have no military bases in China. Ami go home!

Ok, see this is where I have problems seeing your logic. Why the actual **** would the US need military bases in China? China is a modern nation with a powerful military to defend itself. Please compare China to the Middle East then come back to say this to me.

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Posted by PumaD (Post 589658)
4. Strict non-intervention in the internal affairs of other countries (--> Kant). This is also valid for Saudi Arabia and Iran. The Muslim countries must solve her conflicts themselves. Even the IS conflict.

Oil imports. Nuff said.

The oil is a part of our business and when people come knocking at our business, things are going to get ugly.

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Posted by PumaD (Post 589658)
5. The west should treat the Muslim world as generously and fairly like Israel.

Doing that.

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Posted by PumaD (Post 589658)
6. Termination of racist and Religiosen discrimination of Muslims in the countries of the Western world. Punishment of insulting religions and Religiosen groups (sedition) - expressly Promoted As explained in paragraphs 166 and 130 of the German Criminal Code. Our judges have no right to certain laws and regulations simply do not apply. This is criminal (!) Broke the law.

Freedom of speech and expression over here in the US.

Sure, 98% of most Americans may not agree with racist groups, but hypocrisy is the way these things go. Hell, way to tie back to the main topic. GG.

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Posted by PumaD (Post 589658)
7. combat all forms of terrorism in the world - whether left-wing extremism, right-wing extremist separatist, religious or otherwise motivated - with the classic police means of fighting terrorism (!): Infiltration, surveillance, money, special forces, etc. but not with clever terrorist breeding program War ,

Ok, what?

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Posted by PumaD (Post 589658)
4. Strict non-intervention in the internal affairs of other countries (--> Kant). This is also valid for Saudi Arabia and Iran. The Muslim countries must solve her conflicts themselves. Even the IS conflict.

So this doesn't count as combating terrorism when terrorism is being used in these situations?

Look, I know you mean well and really don't like the way things are going in the world but sometimes bad **** happens.

We do what we gotta do, even if it means unintentionally or intentionally doing some ugly stuff.

Nothing ever really ends in sunshine and rainbows so we make do with what we have.

But hey, if you're having a bad day, listen to this:


Brick 07-09-2015 02:32 AM

As long as the US is the one doing most of the fighting, the US is the one that's gonna get the most **** from people.

GOAT 07-09-2015 08:19 AM

I think one thing people fail to realize is that the confederate flag has also become a symbol of southern pride(not saying is dumb/smart/right/wrong). I think this is why a lot of people are proud of it and not necessarily their ancestors history(only problem is that they picked a symbol that is connected with a lot of negativity).




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Posted by 5hift (Post 589672)
Ok, see this is where I have problems seeing your logic. Why the actual **** would the US need military bases in China? China is a modern nation with a powerful military to defend itself. Please compare China to the Middle East then come back to say this to me.

Wait, do you actually think the US sets shops around the world because they care about the countries?


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Posted by Brick (Post 589674)
As long as the US is the one doing most of the fighting, the US is the one that's gonna get the most **** from people.

The US does a lot of ****ty stuff around the world, but without it the world would be much worse. Obviously they get involved because of personal interest, so their actions get diminished/criticized.

5hift 07-09-2015 02:47 PM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 589722)
Wait, do you actually think the US sets shops around the world because they care about the countries?

Hell yeah, did you not see my little post about oil?

Yeah we care about China immensely but they're not a country that's constantly being invaded by neighboring countries or anything like that.

Even if they did get invaded or something, they've got a massive army to deal with that for us.

Kendama 07-10-2015 04:31 AM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 589722)

The US does a lot of ****ty stuff around the world, but without it the world would be much worse. Obviously they get involved because of personal interest, so their actions get diminished/criticized.

This is probably the best way to put it.

MrSimons 07-10-2015 05:31 PM

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