well this forum was made to encourage people to stop making sub guilds and make a 25 member only guild with loyal members

While its the way guilds should be, most of the support you got were from IS and venture mems. I also want this, and am trying to get one started but it's not an easy task. Unfortunately I don't see any change in the way guilds are constructed any time soon. Whether you like it or not, abusing the system is the best way to get hour, and allow guilds to get their precious hat. Even of all the guilds but one change, that guild will probably be dominant. I don't believe it's impossible spread these ideas and encourage the kind of guild. Id love to see US venture or charm start taking towers from these guilds and showing graal that these kind of guilds can work.

And I think the "ask this person to join US" is a little inside joke they have. Tons of people ask to join and it probably gets annoying so to have fun with each other they tell them to contact the other.

I'm pretty sure most guilds do that.

Are you guys saying that once a guild has 25 loyal members, it should be closed and they should just ignore everyone interested in joining?

you should fill it up with close friends, then ally guilds of close friends. i see where your coming from, but 25 is good number in my opinion. you just have to be picky. as you should be. you want an active guild of a few close guild not an inactive or even active guild of 100 people you barely know. id still be fine if someone made 1 sub guild in order to fit those extra players. but when you get to 3-5 it gets pretty ridiculous. because honestly you probably dont even need the 50 total.

In a way,That is why we made other Ventrue guilds (Ventrue Vampires,VentrueVampires,Tremere Vampires) they're not really sub guilds to us they're still the same guild just made for more space.In my opinion I'd want to recruit more than just 25.But who are we kidding I don't see that happening.

This is EXACTLY what sub guilds are for (More space, same guild). Same with Ch4rm, they have a main name, with 4-5 subs. How is this ANY different from other family style guild, at all? The only difference I see is that Ventrue and Ch4rm focus on other things besides towers. How is it fine for them to "abuse allies" as Qes is saying, when tower guilds get insulted for it? :dazed:

I believe what my friend was trying to say is that he dislikes how some people try so hard to get recruited into a guild and once they're in and heard all the rules of the guild has they're never on tag (In this case we just kick) I've had some recruits like that,I guess he also dislikes the "Noob Recruiting" The difference here is we don't noob recruit who ever we want into our guild they still need requirements they still need supporters they still need to get spar tested (they don't have to be pro I think it's to see where they stand) and of course they still need to follow the rules,BUT Tower guilds is a whole other thing when you see a tower guild they recruit who ever is on tag on to their main guild then once they're off they noob recruit like crazy.We don't do that we never did that even when towers were out on iClassic.

@Vyse, I think they want us to have VG allying CoM and both continuing to be war guilds.

That's the exact same as sub guilds (I hope).

The sub guilds are the guild in its whole. The main war guild is just a temporary branch members are placed in for forts.

I know SoS is a bad example, I feel like I should have a look at just how many loyal members there are. The following figures are the members who in my opinion are 100% SoS.

Leaders: 5 Total: ~5
Sub 1: 12 Total: ~17
Sub 2: 8 Total: ~25
Sub 3: 6 Total: ~31
Sub 4: 9 Total: ~40
Sub 5: 10 Total: ~50

There, 50 loyal members. Those numbers used to be much higher, but I suppose this proves two things.
1. Most guilds could scrap 1 or 2 of their subguilds. That said, it's worth keeping in mind that these sub guilds also contain friends of the guild, who help out but belong to another guild.
2. A successful guild does need more than 25 members.

Anyway, how do you guys feel about how Nerv has used the ally system?

I definitely agree with him on that, players should value a guild tag & not be so quick to ditch/hop to another guild. However, a few people here said that using subs as allies is "abusing", and I was just using VV and Ch4rm as examples to show that it really isn't. Noob recruiting to fill subs is a different story though.


"I think they want us to have VG allying CoM and both continuing to be war guilds."

^Hope not, I don't see that working at all. Towers are a zero sum game, one guilds loss is another's win.

I guess things got mixed up lol we don't see the allies as sub guilds we still see it as the same guild,In our case of course.

Half the guilds on classic use that system. I would love to hear you say that in front NAL, CoM,HK, and ZC and much more.

Is that a dare?

US is supposed to only be for elitist nutcases.

I challenge you to a... KNIFE FIGHT! chorus:Knife fight gonna fight for your lives! (repeat chorus) I'll watch you bleed! Right after I shank you! Knife Fight gonna fight for your Lllliiiivvvveeeessss! (lives) Hey wait a minute here! Oh what is it? Knifes are dangerous someone could get hurt!. ._. Hurt? I don't want to get hurt. Who does? Well in that case lets have a TICKLE FIGHT!!! backround: It a tickle fight not a pickle fight no a knife fight YEAH.

Lmao ^ what was the point to all that