1. Terrorist organizations were a problem long before Bush was in office, and terrorism has never been an issue contained to Iraq anyway so I'm not sure how that's even relevant.


2. Most people misinterpret the oil situation so terribly. We aren't in the Middle East for oil and it doesn't take a whole lot of thought to realize why.

For starters the US produces a hell of a lot of oil on its own, we have massive reserves in Texas, Alaska, and the Gulf. And if you were to look at how much oil the US imports you'd see that we import more oil from Canada than the next 3 nations combined (none of which are Iraq). Would it really make sense to invade a country on the other side of the world and topple their government for a resource that is hugely available on our own continent?

You do realize that one of ISIS's primary sources of income during it's massive surge in power was from oil, right?

You know just as well as we do that "Asian" includes the Middle-East in the UK.
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Why do you say like so much while you're typing? I understand in verbal speech, but while you're typing???

Idk much about American politics, but I doubt it.

Wouldn't Russia be more to blame? Idk for invading the middle east (Afghanistan in particular) and starting the Soviet-Afghan War. Pretty sure the resistances formed during this time period (1970-80s? unsure) have ties to ISIS-Al Qaeda. Bin Laden and men alike was trained by American agencies and funded by another middle eastern country (forgot which.) These two groups which are essentially resistances eventually went rogue from what they were designed to achieve, spread to neighbouring countries like Iraq, implemented laws like sharia law and started gunning for America and it's allies after all of the oil business.

In addition to that, I think American invaded Iraq due to these militant groups being so aggressive and not complying to UN rules or something. They basically became militants.

Thats just off the top of my head, could be slightly incorrect

To be honest you can go way farther back than just the Soviet/Afghan war; but it all gets kind of redundant. You can really blame anyone for the problems going on now and have some decent validity behind that claim.

However I think it is best to blame ISIS for ISIS, past that its really just pointless finger pointing.

You can't blame anyone except for ISIS who wants to establish a global caliphate. They're not doing it out of the Koran, they're doing it because they want power. Some ISIS members also joined because they're gettinf paid a lot of money

I think I need to be more clear with what I meant cause I have a feeling we agree on that first part. What ISIS is doing is all on them obviously, but the fact that they are able to operate can be attributed to a lot of others.


They are doing what they do for a lot of reasons, and religion is definitely one of them. Their organization is literally built around establishing an Islamic State.

ISIS is very Islamic, the religion preached by its followers derives from learned interpretations of Islam and all their actions are based on it.

They label them selves as following “the Prophetic methodology”, following the prophecy and example of Muhammad that is taught in the holy books of Islam which is very very violent.

They also believe the end of the world is near, and are under going actions that deems them 'worthy' for Mahdi ( Mahdi is the prophesied redeemer of Islam who will rule for five, seven, nine, or nineteen years before the Day of Judgement and will rid the world of evil).

They are following literal teachings of Islam, which has many many versus about killing non-believers which is also represented in the brutality of Middle-East early age civilizations.

The Islamic religion is a serious problem, many Muslims are aware of this, no need for non-Muslim people on an online forum to get offended and defend something most Muslims willingly accept.

There's even a person from Saudi Arabia on this forum that has openly talked about how horrible the Islamic religion is especially in Arabic based countries, yet some people are still here trying to defend the religion.

Oh sorry, it's okay for non-Muslims who believe what you believe to attack Islam, but it's not okay for non-Muslims who believe differently than you to defend it, because if we do, we are offended and clearly wrong. Clearly.

Yea, I actually know a few Muslims that weren't born in America and came from Middle-Eastern countries like Iran, and they would completely disagree with you that Islam is the problem. They think extremists are a serious problem, but not Islam. It doesn't even make sense to say Islam is the problem, but to admit that most Muslims are fine, and just a select few interpret it wrong. That happens with every religion.

Sorry, I didn't even want to respond to this post but the hypocrisy in this paragraph made it so I couldn't resist. It's so easy to dismiss others' opinions by pretending that your opinions are fact. It's just hypocritical to do so.

I just don't even get the logic behind this Islam is bad bull****. Are we going to say that the phrase "An eye for an eye" is bad because someone goes around stabbing people's eyes by illogically interpreting it literally? You can blame culture, society, governance, decades and decades of history, especially history within the Islam itself and the tribal fighting. But it's wrong to argue that the most notable correlation - the causation of extremism - is Islam itself, when 99% of Muslims are not extremists. When Muslims in America are nothing like Muslims in ISIS, you have to look at what actually causes that difference. It's unscientific to ignore the fact that the difference ratio between "good" Muslims and "bad" Muslims is huge. Look a little deeper and find out what actually causes someone to join ISIS or other extremist groups, rather than making the easy conclusion to a situation that, like it or not, is far more complex than many people would like to believe.

God damn you are ignorant, ISLAM IS A PROBLEM.

We aren't attacking it we are pointing out FACTS.

Islam dominated countries treat women like slaves and kill homosexuals and non-believers (yes Saudi will execute atheists and those who dismiss Islam) because that's what Islam TEACHES. That's a PROBLEM.

The holy texts of Islam preach to KILL non-believers, that's a PROBLEM, and there's no wrong interpretations when it very clearly says to kill non-believers several times.

It's FACT not opinion, which is why, yes, criticizing Islam is OKAY because it DESERVES TO BE CRITICIZED.

Do research before you try to claim Islam is actually acceptable.

Hundreds of millions of Muslims (even those in countries like the US) have stated they support Sharia law, which is HORRIBLE.

Don't sit here and tell me there isn't anything wrong with Islam when my friend in Saudi Arabia could be executed for THREE different things that are normal and widely accepted because Islam says it's a problem.

How is it illogical to interpret something how it was meant to be interpreted? Especially when it comes to a religious belief, what are you even trying to say?

Never thought you would be that stupid

Good reply Saeed, go back to VPNing on an alt trying to get admin to ban all the players you can't beat, especially Sarah after she 10'0'd you

Everything I said is fact and Islam should not teach those, no one can deny it and you're only saying that because you're upset over completely unrelated things.

The reason why I called you stupid because i'm muslim myself, I have also read the Quran several times. The quran doesn't tell us to "kill non-believers" We neither been taught to kill non-believers. You're making assumptions and accusations when you don't know anything aboht Islam. It's like me saying Christians are told to force others to join their religion, which isn't true. The non-muslims people who are defending us, has probably read translated quotes of Quran or, have an innocent muslim friend. The only Islamic book that came directly from god is the Quran and there is nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive. Your assumptions are based on what your ears heard. Isis has no link or connection with Islam, if you ever studied RE in your school you'll understand why those people are defending muslims. Now stop with your childishness and save your racist opinion to yourself.

criticism of religion isn't racist. the quran also states that everything that the prophet preached was from allah himself, emphasizing the importance of hadiths.