I'll second that.

LOL slave labor, like you are forced to be an admin, most players would die to be an admin and not be a player, get real.

as for your paycheck, being an admin is still pretty much playing a game, even if your "creating & developing" it, its still a game, and im guessing you enjoy it too, especially if your a PR, sorry, what you do is not a real job NOR is it any kind of labor, and you can just stop doing it whenever you please, if you find a job where you get paid to play a game, let me know.

i still believe if you are lucky enough to become staff, you should focus on being staff.

You understand NOTHING of what being staff is. People think they want to be an Admin, they just want the tools, not the job. Get real man.

Being an admin isn't really playing the game, you can't play - it's just harassment and spam constantly. This is a "real job" you realise some companies hire and pay their GameMasters to moderate games right? We just happen to do it for free, you develop skills such as people skills, ability to handle situations and several other key skills.

lol then why are you an admin if its just harassment and spam? like i said, you CHOOSE to do this because im assuming you like it (to some point, maybe you dont! and that would be weird LOL) and you dont support yourself by doing this, and you dont get paid, so its not a real job. sorry

yea some companies do that, major games with hundreds of thousands of people playing them. this isnt one of them and you can stop at any time, so plz dont ever ever ever compare this to slave labor lol...

this is why i made a thread about whether or not admins should own gangs. see?

I see no point in this thread if a admen wants a fan base then join and expect to be hired in roughly 20 mins.

huh?

I don't really like the job itself, though i'll do it. It's not really that interesting and it's pretty mundane, only upside is some of the people you find, occasionally a rare gem amongst the coal.
So, because I choose to be an Admin, I can't be allowed to play the game in the time i'm not being an Admin? Seems bad, how else are you going to fully understand the game and see it exactly from the players point of view?

It isn't exactly slave labour; what is expected of us and what is given in return however, could be considered "slavery". For the amount we actually deal with, we should get paid. Gamemasters that get paid probably put up with less than we do.

Nope, not really - Admins owning an active gang on their STAFF account, bad idea - I agree. Player account however, they should be free to do that to an extent, if it comes to a point where they start overlapping, this is when something should happen. Not before. End of the day, not all of us are incapable of differing the two. Thus no need to penalize all of us.
(Your last comment was false, people wanting the tools isn't why you started a thread about admins owning gangs :P)

I said slave wadge. Slaves aren't allowed to have fun and abuse powers.

I was a diamond, get it right

Shine bright like a diamond yeah?

His point being that although it doesn't seem that way, being staff on Era does get mundane without actually playing the game. Staff have just as much of a right to own a gang and do everything a regular player can. Imagine getting hired and not being allowed to play the game, but instead, have to deal with player complaints and management. Fun, init?

Owning a gang is not the problem, using your admin powers, title, influence to compete against normal players, that's the problem, and the whole argument. Whether or not the "admin" account owns the gang, or your "player" account owns the gang, it makes no difference , your still an admin.

If your not running a competitive gang then fine. Sorry there is no argument, admins shouldn't be allowed to compete against normal players. Too much of an advantage a admin has and can use against normal players, And yes I did make this thread because I believe there is too much potential for abuse because of the tools an admin has against normal players. (Whether or not you believe they will use it or not, they can and IT DOES HAPPEN, it has happened with multiple times with multiple admins, so there is a problem there, believe it or not)

If you NEED to own a gang, own a social gang and let normal players compete against each other.

Why this so hard to understand? Then again, you are an admin so you are bias to what you think you should be allowed to do.

Don't be an admin then, you act like you are all forced to be admins, I've seen so many comments about how much it sucks to be an admin, why are you an admin then? you don't get paid, you don't like the job, you all complain, and wanna argue why you should be allowed to still play the game as a normal player ... Lol wtf?

I think Snake kind of mentioned this but if an admin doesn't play the game from a player perspective then they become out of touch with everything. For instance they can see how guns react in basing when on their admin account they may be too busy to observe it.

Dammit Greg, revolt!

Ok my problem with this post is you ask for an opinion when all you want is people to agree with you. Don't post about this if when somebody doesn't agree with you, you write an essay crying about it.
(Also i completely agree with Snake Rekon and Percivel)