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twilit 03-03-2013 04:49 AM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 306033)
Cool story bro? lol knob?
If you spent more time developing zone instead of arguing in the classic forums you might help your server get a higher player count. Last time I checked staff outnumbered the players. :/

Shut up knob and remember you’re the fat kid on the baseball team.

lol'd

GotenGraal 03-03-2013 05:15 AM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 306182)
She doesn't need to, everything she's said is already right, give up kid.

Says who? Do you even have any experience on the topic? The argument is if delay=advantage which I already proved it does. My last point has yet to be beaten baka. Requoting yourself and not addressing my point means you lose, not to mention the kid pming me out of rage.

Remorse 03-03-2013 05:17 AM

These threads always manage to stray off topic

*Vatec 03-03-2013 07:27 AM

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Posted by GotenGraal (Post 306451)
Says who? Do you even have any experience on the topic? The argument is if delay=advantage which I already proved it does. My last point has yet to be beaten baka. Requoting yourself and not addressing my point means you lose, not to mention the kid pming me out of rage.

lol

+rep for being an idiot

PoeticFolly 03-03-2013 07:28 AM

me.

Aaron 03-03-2013 07:34 AM

i lol-ed when Goten said you called him an idiot though a private message.

*Vatec 03-03-2013 07:38 AM

omg yes i did it

*Vatec 03-03-2013 07:39 AM

talon wtf i was trying to get all the posts

PoeticFolly 03-03-2013 07:39 AM

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Posted by *Vatec (Post 306547)
omg yes i did it

not today.

*Vatec 03-03-2013 07:43 AM

2late i alrdy got a screenie hahahaha

on topic: I PMed Goten in the hope he would actually read what I was saying.

GotenGraal 03-03-2013 02:32 PM

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Posted by *Vatec (Post 306547)
omg yes i did it

You learned how to tie your shoes?

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Posted by *Vatec (Post 306560)
2late i alrdy got a screenie hahahaha

on topic: I PMed Goten in the hope he would actually read what I was saying.

Yeah right when I click User CP it already shows your message without me touching it so I had no choice, other wise I would of deleted it instantly.

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Posted by Aaron - Taevin (Post 306131)
Please...stop

And if we're still talking about delay...I know for a fact not all delayers can see the other player lagging/warping/delaying as well.

Imma be like Rezon and requote a bunch of stuff.

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Posted by *Vatec (Post 304614)
It's actually HARDER for us to spar/PK

Hey Rezon your boy here mentioned pk too on page 2 and I mentioned it like 3 times so it's a part of this off topic argument.

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Posted by GotenGraal (Post 306066)
Yeah no go to sardon and wait for 7mood to pk then tell me delay isn't an advantage. I'm not only talking about sparring. Is it okay that delayers can run through sword spam unhittable, lag block for 5 mins, and hit flag 20 times till a hit on them is finally recognized?

Shut that down^

Winter 03-03-2013 02:32 PM

i miss neg rep for useless flame wars

GotenGraal 03-03-2013 02:37 PM

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Posted by LiA (Post 304867)
Well, okay 0:. I guess we're all delayers then. Well can anyone explain the showlag/ms then? How come laggers/delayers are usually at 300+ ms while we're all under 100?

There's a difference in number for a reason. If it was mutual I'd be able to do all the things at towers I mentioned delayers doing.

iDylan 03-03-2013 03:25 PM

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Posted by GotenGraal (Post 306682)
There's a difference in number for a reason. If it was mutual I'd be able to do all the things at towers I mentioned delayers doing.

Have you ever heard of foreign lag? the lag of europeans won't get under 100ms ever.

Rezon 03-03-2013 03:43 PM

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Posted by Rezon (Post 305976)
Let me explain this "hes going through my swords" dilemma once more. First, lets start off by saying Player A has 300ms, while player B has 50.


Player A is wall sparring, he is sending out swings randomly (since you're probably warping on his screen too) and he isn't hitting anything on HIS SCREEN. Player B is frantically trying to hit him too, running towards him but seemingly getting hit every time he charges in. Once he gets close enough, he swings, but player A walks right through it. Why is this?

When player A swings, since he is at 300 ms, the server receives this data significantly late, then regurgitates it back at player B. If player B gets hit by the sword hit, player A did NOT just swing in real time, in fact that was probably 1-2 seconds ago. If player A seemingly swings at player B and it goes right through him, that's because player B receives the data far too late and his character is most likely far away from that spot. Also, player A may be swinging directly at player B, but because of his delay, none of the hits register in real time, similar to the other case.

Solution: You learn to adjust to their delay, and predict a few seconds ahead on where they're going to move. Its quite easy to predict where someone is going to go when they have that much delay, they won't be able to see where you're striking, vice versa. Both parties have disadvantages, however the delayer might have a slight advantage because Player B might be more focused on crying and complaining, rather than adjusting.

This is an extreme case, as many delayers don't do this intentionally, rather live far away from the servers. The largest ping gap I can think of would be someone at ~200.

tl;dr You're getting hit not because of the delayers lag, but because the serer is regurgitating it too late. You are not missing the delayer, rather the server is.

P.S.Delayers may survive until the end of a guildspar because most have to react to their lag by playing a more passive strategy of spar, allowing them to surivive longer.

@Goten


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