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iHot 08-01-2014 10:52 PM

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Posted by lord greg (Post 495389)
In the past yes, I believe they released around 1000 prisoners a few years ago to secure the release of 1 Israeli soldier. But with extensive military action being taken already a rescue operation may be attempted. That may be special forces or just another push with troops on the ground.


Maybe not. Hamas is denying they captured anyone.

lord greg 08-01-2014 10:53 PM

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Posted by iHot (Post 495412)
Maybe not. Hamas is denying they captured anyone.

Well that complicates things, if Hamas are telling the truth and don't have the soldier then who does.

iHot 08-01-2014 10:54 PM

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Posted by Crono (Post 495406)
Hamas are getting their own people killed. Both sides are disgusting ******s.


More or less. I don't think the people of Gaza seem to not support Hamas though. I mean their lives are already ****.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/02/e9umuvy4.jpg
Oh and why can't the Saudi's be like this now?
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/02/8u3e6ydy.jpg

Draenin 08-02-2014 04:44 AM

Vice News has been providing absolutely outstanding coverage of this story as it unfolds, so I'm going to share it here.

Be warned that it does contain some very graphic footage, but it's all worth watching to gain a better understanding of the insanity that has been going down lately.


















iHot 08-02-2014 05:09 AM

Vice is awesome.

Crono 08-02-2014 11:08 AM

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Posted by iHot (Post 495414)
Oh and why can't the Saudi's be like this now?

Because oil is what makes them so rich.

GOAT 08-02-2014 07:14 PM

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Posted by iHot (Post 495414)
More or less. I don't think the people of Gaza seem to not support Hamas though. I mean their lives are already ****.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/02/e9umuvy4.jpg[/IMG]

The quote is "I rather die on my feet than to live on my knees"-Emiliano Zapata Mexican revolutionary

iHot 08-02-2014 07:59 PM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 495591)
The quote is "I rather die on my feet than to live on my knees"-Emiliano Zapata Mexican revolutionary

Woo!

Viper 08-03-2014 09:27 AM

Excerpt from http://www.infowars.com/israel-is-st...ugh-palestine/

In America the success of Israeli propaganda, never challenged of course by the US media, exceeds the success of Washington’s own propaganda. Most Americans believe that Palestinian women and children are outfitted with explosive suicide belts and that “the snakes,” as they are described by Israeli politicians, walk into Israeli cafes and blow everyone up including themselves.

The fact of the matter is that Palestinians cannot get into Israel. Gaza is blockaded as are the few remaining Palestinian settlements in the West Bank. Israel has stolen almost all of Palestine. The few Palestinian settlements still permitted to exist are cut off by a massive wall from Israel and from each other by barbed wire and check points, cut off from hospitals and schools, from water, and from their fields and olive groves, which are being destroyed to make room for settlers‘ apartment blocks.

People this hemmed in are helpless, and the extreme right-wing Israeli settlers are moving into the few remaining Palestinian settlements evicting the Palestinians from their properties with the aid of US-provided Caterpillar tractors especially designed for uprooting Palestinian olive groves and demolishing Palestinian houses, just like the Caterpillar tractor that the Israelis ran over US citizen Rachel Corrie, murdering this protesting US citizen in cold blood. Yes, you are correct, the Great Moral US government did nothing about it. Israel learned when it murdered the crew of the USS Liberty in 1967 that Israel had carte blanche from Washington to murder US citizens.

When you view the photos of Palestinians who have undergone an Israeli attack, what do you see? You see unarmed people crying, hugging dead children in their arms and one another. You never see a resolute armed people prepared to repel the next Israeli attack. You see devastated hospitals, schools, and apartment complexes and Palestinians in tears and no weapons.



and here are the "SUPERGREAT MORAL CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD IN ACTION"



Lyrics are “In Gaza there’s no studying, No children are left there, Olé, olé, olé-olé-olé.”

Ask yourselves can you still defend these monsters?

Crono 08-03-2014 12:19 PM

Yeah man, Hamas is so much better.

Draenin 08-03-2014 01:52 PM

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Posted by Crono (Post 495733)
Yeah man, Hamas is so much better.

Yes, because all Palestinians are automatically part of Hamas. :\

No one is sympathizing with Hamas except the people bent on joining it. They have been bombarding cities with rockets indiscriminately, hitting both Israelis and Palestinians, without regard for human life in general. And it's pretty clear that they do not intend to stop, considering that they broke the 72-hour cease-fire agreement only six hours after it was announced.

What really needs to be understood here is that all sides in this conflict are at fault for various reasons. This struggle has been going on for decades now, and has only gotten more complex over time. Any time you sympathize with any group, you will always hear things like, "Well, what about this incident? What about that incident?" When, truth be told, the struggle over this land has been about a lot of incidents over time, and the effects just keep building up until fighting breaks out again.

lord greg 08-03-2014 02:29 PM

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Posted by Draenin (Post 495739)
Yes, because all Palestinians are automatically part of Hamas. :\

No one is sympathizing with Hamas except the people bent on joining it. They have been bombarding cities with rockets indiscriminately, hitting both Israelis and Palestinians, without regard for human life in general. And it's pretty clear that they do not intend to stop, considering that they broke the 72-hour cease-fire agreement only six hours after it was announced.

What really needs to be understood here is that all sides in this conflict are at fault for various reasons. This struggle has been going on for decades now, and has only gotten more complex over time. Any time you sympathize with any group, you will always hear things like, "Well, what about this incident? What about that incident?" When, truth be told, the struggle over this land has been about a lot of incidents over time, and the effects just keep building up until fighting breaks out again.

The problem being that by supporting Palestine you are in turn supporting Hamas because they are ones who stand to gain the most.
Both sides are wrong but there is very little that anyone can do apart from let the conflict be resolved by those involved.

Crono 08-03-2014 04:34 PM

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Posted by Draenin (Post 495739)
Yes, because all Palestinians are automatically part of Hamas. :\

Where did I imply this?

iHot 08-03-2014 06:47 PM

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Posted by lord greg (Post 495742)
The problem being that by supporting Palestine you are in turn supporting Hamas because they are ones who stand to gain the most.

Both sides are wrong but there is very little that anyone can do apart from let the conflict be resolved by those involved.


Ok so now I can't support my own people because it means I support Hamas. Hamas is a political group. Their ideals may not be very good but they're a resistance group as well. The people will resist the illegal occupation. It's absurd to think that anyone supporting Palestine supports Hamas. Guess since I support the United States I also support drone strikes that kill innocent civilians.

Oh by the way another UN shelter hit:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/04..._r=0&referrer=

I wonder why these are still getting hit...especially when the UN has told the IDF where these schools are dozens of times.

lord greg 08-03-2014 06:54 PM

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Posted by iHot (Post 495774)
Ok so now I can't support my own people because it means I support Hamas. Hamas is a political group. Their ideals may not be very good but they're a resistance group as well. The people will resist the illegal occupation. It's absurd to think that anyone supporting Palestine supports Hamas. Guess since I support the United States I also support drone strikes that kill innocent civilians.

Oh by the way another UN shelter hit:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/04..._r=0&referrer=

I wonder why these are still getting hit...especially when the UN has told the IDF where these schools are dozens of times.

By supporting Palestine in this conflict you are helping to benefit Hamas, a knock on effect. If a country were to support Palestine then they would be aiding terrorists which is a bad image for a country. This is why Palestine lacks a lot of support, if Hamas were out of the picture then I think the UN would have sent peacekeepers to the area and Israel would be forced to back down.


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