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Bryan* 04-11-2016 06:52 AM

Well I didn't know killing players on .5 health results to being exiled for 2150 hours when your lag/speed is at a normal rate. Will it be investigated? Highly unlikely. Did I supply evidence and had witnesses? As much information needed. Players who I associate with know I don't need cheat/hack tools except my thumbs and mind to dominate in the PK community.

I can assure you I don't think all of them stupid. Some are just too incompetent and ignorant. There's probably a small percentage of the current team I respect and find knowledgeable (ex: Snow Noob).

Yog 04-11-2016 06:55 AM

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Posted by Bryan* (Post 694458)
There's probably a small percentage of the current team I respect and find knowledgeable (ex: Snow Noob).

Snow doesn't even like Peanut Butter. Respect her now?

Aaron 04-11-2016 06:55 AM

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Posted by Bryan* (Post 694458)
Well I didn't know killing players on .5 health results to being exiled for 2150 hours when your lag/speed is at a normal rate. Will it be investigated? Highly unlikely. Did I supply evidence and had witnesses? As much information needed. Players who I associate with know I don't need cheat/hack tools except my thumbs and mind to dominate in the PK community.

I can assure you I don't think all of them stupid. Some are just too incompetent and ignorant. There's probably a small percentage of the current team I respect and find knowledgeable (ex: Snow Noob).

http://i.imgur.com/Op1ICfu.jpg

Bryan* 04-11-2016 06:57 AM

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Posted by Yog (Post 694461)
Snow doesn't even like Peanut Butter. Respect her now?


That has nothing to do with moderating the game. I don't like it either.

Yog 04-11-2016 06:58 AM

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Posted by Bryan* (Post 694463)
That has nothing to do with moderating the game. I don't like it either.

Well excuse me but I think it has everything to do with moderating the game you ignorant bastard.

Snow Noob 04-11-2016 06:59 AM

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Posted by Yog (Post 694461)
Snow doesn't even like Peanut Butter. Respect her now?

I have no idea what Yog is talking about...
I hate peanut butter so much that I can't even begin to explain it.

Thallen 04-11-2016 07:52 AM

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Posted by Count (Post 694431)
No, seriously, what constitutes a low-ranking staff member in your mind?

Anyone who doesn't play an active role in the development of the game or anyone who gets hired based on an application that reflects nothing more than an ability to answer fourth-grade level question

In other words, GPs

Striken 04-11-2016 07:55 AM

Just had several people.lag severely yet nothing was done. Flawed system folks.

CM 04-11-2016 02:55 PM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 694375)
Sarcasm doesn't help justify that there's a reason for low-ranking staff to be able to see private conversations

To be fair I wouldn't consider conversations between PMs to be "private conversations". Yes, I know they are called "private messages", but that's because only two players can see the message. Everything is stored in the server's database, such as how customs belong to Graal once they are uploaded.

Staff will only look at your PM history if you are reported for something (i.e. sexual messages over PM). Other than that, unless a staff has a legitimate reason for checking PMs, they won't be doing it. If I, for example, wanted to look at Thallen's PM history because I was bored and curious, I'm pretty sure that would be considered abuse to some degree.

If you report someone for harassing your over PM, don't be surprised if your messages get checked as well. Once you report someone for that, you officially become part of the investigation, and that means all bases need to be covered.

If you don't want your messages to be seen, you could just talk to the person over Kik or Skype. Staff won't ever check your PMs for "no reason".

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Posted by Striken (Post 694376)
Both are the same ya ****ing twat.

Staff = player, player ≠ staff

Nice use of vocab though. Lol'd.

Yog 04-11-2016 05:14 PM

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Posted by CM (Post 694517)
If I, for example, wanted to look at Thallen's PM history because I was bored and curious, I'm pretty sure that would be considered abuse to some degree.

It also Echo's in RC that you're viewing PM history, and is added to a log.

Alex R 04-11-2016 06:16 PM

Well I've learnt my lesson! Don't use pms anymore cuz even if someone u have never messaged before reports u it somehow gives an admin a reason to check pms and ban you for 3 months for joking around "innapropriately"
When I spot a hacker or a lag blocker it takes 30 mins for me to find an admin online let alone get them to deal with it. And then I get banned for this sh*t. Lol I'll make sure not to use pms anymore seeing as the word private doesn't mean anything

Areo 04-11-2016 07:31 PM

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Posted by CM (Post 694517)
Staff will only look at your PM history if you are reported for something (i.e. sexual messages over PM). Other than that, unless a staff has a legitimate reason for checking PMs, they won't be doing it. If I, for example, wanted to look at Thallen's PM history because I was bored and curious, I'm pretty sure that would be considered abuse to some degree.

I think the issue people have is that their aren't many checks for this power. I'm not saying it's abused by adminisators, don't take this the wrong way, but you could easily view Thallen's message history, and no one would be the wiser(I saw what yog said above, I'll address it). That's the abuse of power people are worried about.

In response to Yog's post. I think that while that helps, if you all are certain that no adminisator would abuse their power, then that adds to the problem. If you aren't suspicious of other GP's, then who can check to make sure they're doing their job justly and honestly?

That brings us to a couple questions that might help the situation a bit.

- Do administrators actions get reviewed by anyone?

- If someone isn't reported, is it possible to check their pm history? As in if someone was trying to abuse it, could they?

- is there some sort of protocol for checking pm history, like do you have to cite a reason or report for checking it, or does it just appear in said log as "(adminisators name) checked player1's pm history"?

I understand that you need to trust an adminisator when you hire them, but absolute trust can be a dangerous thing. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, either. I understand most GP's won't abuse the power, im more wondering how possible it is for them to do so.

Yog 04-11-2016 08:25 PM

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Posted by Areo (Post 694543)
In response to Yog's post. I think that while that helps, if you all are certain that no adminisator would abuse their power, then that adds to the problem. If you aren't suspicious of other GP's, then who can check to make sure they're doing their job justly and honestly?

Sure it's possible you could get away with it, but it's gonna look a little fishy when CM pulls up Thallen's PM history when there were no reports that would've warranted it.

Count 04-11-2016 11:35 PM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 694483)
Anyone who doesn't play an active role in the development of the game or anyone who gets hired based on an application that reflects nothing more than an ability to answer fourth-grade level question

In other words, GPs

So no GPs should have access to pm history? I don't agree with you there. The responsibility to deal with account trading, the trade of illegal pictures, etc has to fall to someone. I'd say experienced GPs should deal with them.

What good would pm history do for Dusty? Should he waste his time dealing with our favorite child predators in graal city?

CM 04-12-2016 12:18 AM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 694483)
Anyone who doesn't play an active role in the development of the game or anyone who gets hired based on an application that reflects nothing more than an ability to answer fourth-grade level question

In other words, GPs

I'm confused by this. How do GPs not help in the development of the game? Unless, of course, you were referring to before they were hired. This still confuses me. What should be the requirements in order for a person to be hired?

If a person makes significant changes to the game's development, they probably won't get hired as a GP.


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