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Saeed 06-09-2017 05:33 PM

Not even one post/quote explains how the Islam beliefs are responsible for the Isis terrorists attacks, which is the topic of this thread. Are you telling me Isis were targeting non-believers who left the Islam religion? I doubt that there is any victim who is a non-believer and was once a muslim.

Colin 06-09-2017 05:38 PM

Saeed you bimbo, the quote about killing non-believers who turn back on Islam applies to everyone who refuses to believe not just ex-Muslims

I bet you haven't researched a thing into ISIS besides just headlines.

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Posted by Colin (Post 786124)
ISIS is very Islamic, the religion preached by its followers derives from learned interpretations of Islam and all their actions are based on it.

They label them selves as following “the Prophetic methodology”, following the prophecy and example of Muhammad that is taught in the holy books of Islam which is very very violent.

They also believe the end of the world is near, and are under going actions that deems them 'worthy' for Mahdi ( Mahdi is the prophesied redeemer of Islam who will rule for five, seven, nine, or nineteen years before the Day of Judgement and will rid the world of evil).

They are following literal teachings of Islam, which has many many versus about killing non-believers which is also represented in the brutality of Middle-East early age civilizations.

You can say those versus only apply to 'war', but the invasion of Western societies into the Middle-East has create a very long ongoing war for years, and ISIS believes them selves to be at war with all non-believers regardless because they are taught everyone should follow Allah therefore those who do not are considered their enemy.

Mahdi explains a lot into their actions about killing other Muslims who do not follow the Islamic teachings or violate something that's forbidden (I.E eating when it's forbidden during Ramadan), none of these people would be deemed worthy under judgement of Mahdi so ISIS feels right to murder them as they want to cleanse the world of evil (non-believers and those who do not follow the word of Allah/Mohammed).

Darkk 06-09-2017 05:44 PM

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Posted by Saeed (Post 785787)
Simple explanation, either those "muslims" suffer from mental issues or they're using the Islam religion as a cover for their doings. There is nowhere in the Islam religious book that tells you to murder others in the sake of "revenge"

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Posted by Saeed (Post 786159)
The reason why I called you stupid because i'm muslim myself, I have also read the Quran several times.

You didn't know it was called the Quran a few days ago...


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PigParty 06-09-2017 05:59 PM

I just wanna say that if anyone has informative articles that help their side, share them. I'm always willing to learn more because I know I'll never ever fully understand Islam and especially the Middle-East. Just don't share garbage like Breitbart or blog posts from people with names even remotely similar to ninjatoad282

Colin 06-09-2017 06:04 PM

Maybe you guys think I'm hating on Islam, but I don't mind the religion or that people follow it, but there are definitely horrible teachings in it that needs to be addressed and not excused as with all religions at some point.

I don't think anyone can deny this, and it's made very clear in countries like Saudi Arabia that allow religion to influence law.

Yes, it has peaceful versus, but it also has violent versus, a lot of it seems to contradict its self but it makes a lot of sense that groups like ISIS could base their actions off Islamic teachings.

I'm not going to link ISIS related sites and information here for obvious reason, but anyone can easily research into the group on their own and easily tell how Islam has influenced them (especially Mahdi which is not widely accepted to my knowledge but is an Islamic belief that justifies a lot of ISIS's actions in their eyes).

Another thing we have to consider, just because Muslims in countries like U.S are peaceful does not mean they don't follow the poor teachings of Islam, I.E wanting death to homosexuals would not be tolerated at all, so they simply don't act on it (not saying they all believe it). The same is applied to Catholics/Christians, I do not believe in any of these religions and think it's fair to both criticize and attack any outrageous teachings they have.

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Posted by Seņor Albonio (Post 785656)
Posting this video again. People need to realize what they're getting themselves into.


Seņor Albonio 06-09-2017 06:18 PM

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Posted by Colin (Post 786188)

I'm not going to link ISIS related sites and information here for obvious reason, but anyone can easily research into the group on their own and easily tell how Islam has influenced them

Hey dad reposted my post with my favorite jew. also, the bold part is fantaSTIC.

PigParty 06-09-2017 06:22 PM

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Posted by Colin (Post 786188)
Maybe you guys think I'm hating on Islam, but I don't mind the religion or that people follow it, but there are definitely horrible teachings in it that needs to be addressed and not excused as with all religions at some point.

I don't think anyone can deny this, and it's made very clear in countries like Saudi Arabia that allow religion to influence law.

Yes, it has peaceful versus, but it also has violent versus, a lot of it seems to contradict its self but it makes a lot of sense that groups like ISIS could base their actions off Islamic teachings.

I'm not going to link ISIS related sites and information here for obvious reason, but anyone can easily research into the group on their own and easily tell how Islam has influenced them (especially Mahdi which is not widely accepted to my knowledge but is an Islamic belief that justifies a lot of ISIS's actions in their eyes).

Another thing we have to consider, just because Muslims in countries like U.S are peaceful does not mean they don't follow the poor teachings of Islam, I.E wanting death to homosexuals would not be tolerated at all, so they simply don't act on it (not saying they all believe it). The same is applied to Catholics/Christians, I do not believe in any of these religions and think it's fair to both criticize and attack any outrageous teachings they have.

This is something I agree with fully. I don't deny that they justify their actions based on Islamic teachings, but I guess the reason I separate them so much is because as a Christian, I believe there is only one interpretation of the Bible. There is only what Christianity believes in, and anyone who twists, manipulates, or takes passages out of context to fit their agenda is wrong. That's why I focus the blame on the people, rather than Islam. I'm not trying to argue with anything right now; just explaining why I believe what I do. Another peice of information I learned a while back that made me think about this topic the way I do is that ISIS recruits from Western countries many times may not even be Muslim, or they claimed to be, but don't know hardly anything about Islam. They're the disenfranchised people looking for somewhere to belong. It just made me believe that ISIS' appeal comes from more than just Islamic teachings or alternate interpretations. I also separate terrorism from human rights violations, mistreatment of women, and even the oppression of Christianity and other religions. Those to me seem more like power grabs and attempts to retain control for the Muslim men currently in power. Religious freedom threatens their control, as does gender equality, and more. Religion being involved in government is always bad. Government is run by self-serving, power hungry people. Anyways, that's why I feel the way I do about Islam and the Middle-East in general.

Chase* 06-09-2017 08:51 PM

The attacks that ISIS claims that they did it is pretty much fake.

I have no proof but I do know what I'm saying..

You can't go attack another country to take it over, you got to make a war INSIDE the country, then you go to the country and say you will help them and you basically take over the country and all resources.

ISIS are a group getting paid a lot, like a lot to do these terror attacks.

Why do you think they attacked UK? Do you think it's just because they wanted Ariana grandes concert to be stopped?

If so, you're dumb.

It's because of brexit. Other countries might not like what UK is doing, they're leaving Europe, they want war inside the country so they can take over UK..

America could give cash and weapons to ISIS to attack North Korea , but North Korea is just way to strict, terrorists aren't getting there, which means America will never be able to win the war against North Korea.

ISIS = Bounty hunters.

MrSimons 06-09-2017 10:40 PM

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Posted by Chase* (Post 786210)
The attacks that ISIS claims that they did it is pretty much fake.

I have no proof but I do know what I'm saying..

Good thing you started off by telling us you will be talking out of your ass.

5hift 06-09-2017 10:44 PM

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Posted by Chase* (Post 786210)
The attacks that ISIS claims that they did it is pretty much fake.

I have no proof but I do know what I'm saying..

You can't go attack another country to take it over, you got to make a war INSIDE the country, then you go to the country and say you will help them and you basically take over the country and all resources.

ISIS are a group getting paid a lot, like a lot to do these terror attacks.

Why do you think they attacked UK? Do you think it's just because they wanted Ariana grandes concert to be stopped?

If so, you're dumb.

It's because of brexit. Other countries might not like what UK is doing, they're leaving Europe, they want war inside the country so they can take over UK..

America could give cash and weapons to ISIS to attack North Korea , but North Korea is just way to strict, terrorists aren't getting there, which means America will never be able to win the war against North Korea.

ISIS = Bounty hunters.

Prove it.

Seņor Albonio 06-09-2017 11:28 PM

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Posted by 5hift (Post 786228)
Prove it.

lol but he said
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I have no proof

G Fatal 06-10-2017 12:07 AM

Since Colin’s stepping off being a mod? he’s firing blanks man; keep going man you’ll maybe hit something:giggle:

now @all
I think it’s kinda waste of words if y’all don’t actually see that we created terrorist to begin with, if you have the mindset of ‘Blow them all up’ blahblahblah then you’re completely missing the point.

Thallen 06-10-2017 03:17 AM


Seņor Albonio 06-10-2017 10:36 AM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 786272)

iconic

Vic 06-10-2017 03:43 PM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 786272)

hahaha


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