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4-Lom 12-26-2017 03:02 PM

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Posted by Jared9 (Post 804918)
I honestly don’t see how I’ve misinterpreted it. You want the staff to hold your hand through the process? You think that all the successful artists this year haven’t wasted hours creating unused or discarded graphics? If youre going to complain about putting hours into unused work then you don’t deserve to win.
Stop whining about not winning a stupid competition and use the time more effectively to improve yourself as an artist.

Yep. You misunderstood and refuse to admit it.

I was suggesting that it would benefit the game to foster more artists. They constantly complain about how they are so few and far between, yet zero effort is made to access the talent around them.

Not once in any of the related arguments did I say anything about myself, complain about not winning, getting compared to other artists, or suggest that anyone else had it easy. It seems my point went right over your head.

Beebuzz 12-26-2017 03:12 PM

4-lom stop whinning its a competion if you did get items accepted your mood would be the opposite. My items didn't get accepted either but you don't see me crying.

Weeno 12-26-2017 03:19 PM

How about we bring back graal polls (i dont think it ever existed on classic tho) and players can vote for what they want in their gifts. But in that case i wouldnt get voted

Beebuzz 12-26-2017 03:24 PM

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Posted by Weeno (Post 804934)
How about we bring back graal polls (i dont think it ever existed on classic tho) and players can vote for what they want in their gifts. But in that case i wouldnt get voted

Sounds awesome then graalians can get what they want although the poll would be very long.

TWIZ 12-26-2017 03:25 PM

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Posted by 4-Lom (Post 804929)
They constantly complain about how they are so few and far between, yet zero effort is made to access the talent around them.

Is "they" the staff? If so, I don't see how they constantly complain. Actually, I don't see how they need to "access the talent around them" in the first place. They just wanted some content so they spiced it up by letting people submit their own work to have a shot at seeing it in game. Nothing more, nothing less. Then, as usual at this time of year, there's another flame war on this exact topic for no reason. It isn't a biased contest (at least on Classic it isn't), and they have multiple people judging, which explains that some content not accepted last year will show up this year, as nothing can be objective when it comes to judging art. As for repetitive content, so what? They wanted to vary the gifts based on desirability, so they threw some old **** in there to make that happen. But guess what? There is also new stuff, and that's what everyone hopes to get. Some are happy, some aren't, but that's the entire point of the gifting algorithm. Same goes for this contest.

4-Lom 12-27-2017 04:20 AM

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Posted by TWIZ (Post 804941)
this

There is quite a bit of chatter regarding the lack of developers - specifically when players ask for new content. Quality art assets take time to create. Fostering untapped artists willing to create content would allow for more to be accomplished. More content getting created would lead to more users, more interest, and more revenue. I don't see what the matter is. But guess what? There are dozens of items and hats released every year that are ugly or don't match the rest of the game world's style because there are no quality artists with time available to ... wait a second... :P

RyanB 12-27-2017 04:44 AM

wtf you gfx ******s took the jobs of jimbo and darkk :(

TWIZ 12-27-2017 05:18 AM

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Posted by 4-Lom (Post 805027)
There is quite a bit of chatter regarding the lack of developers - specifically when players ask for new content. Quality art assets take time to create. Fostering untapped artists willing to create content would allow for more to be accomplished. More content getting created would lead to more users, more interest, and more revenue. I don't see what the matter is. But guess what? There are dozens of items and hats released every year that are ugly or don't match the rest of the game world's style because there are no quality artists with time available to ... wait a second... :P

Classic has a well enforced style integrity. I respect the team for not giving into the temptation of hiring a bunch of inexperienced artists who don't match Classic's style like Zone did so many years ago. Also, what you're talking about has nothing to do with the staff or administration. It's primarily a community issue. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but it certainly isn't the developers' job to raise artists from seedlings, especially when they have more on their plates than they can handle (considering your dev scarcity theory).

Are you suggesting there be a sort of development academy/apprenticeship program? Actually, that sounds badass but unrealistic. I've worked in the graphics and levels departments on multiple servers, and there isn't enough time in the day for this sort of solution.

4-Lom 12-27-2017 05:34 AM

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Posted by TWIZ (Post 805039)
Are you suggesting there be a sort of development academy/apprenticeship program? Actually, that sounds badass but unrealistic. I've worked in the graphics and levels departments on multiple servers, and there isn't enough time in the day for this sort of solution.


That's exactly what I was suggesting. In the short term it seems to be inefficient, but in the long run it would produce returns with interest on time spent.

Westbrook Graal 12-27-2017 03:36 PM

Why is royanb random negative sideroomer coming here talking about spar?

4-Lom 12-27-2017 05:08 PM

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Posted by Beebuzz (Post 804931)
4-lom stop winning its a completion if you did get items accepted your mood would be the opposite. My items didn't get accepted either but you don't see me crying.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c7/22/a3/c...ngle-girls.jpg

Howl 12-27-2017 05:38 PM

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Posted by Beebuzz (Post 804931)
4-lom stop winning its a completion if you did get items accepted your mood would be the opposite. My items didn't get accepted either but you don't see me crying.

amen beebuzz

Beebuzz 12-27-2017 05:39 PM

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Posted by 4-Lom (Post 805086)

LOL typeo

Darkk 12-27-2017 10:44 PM

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Posted by Westbrook Graal (Post 805074)
Why is royanb random negative sideroomer coming here talking about spar?

Why is westbrick always talking about spar? I got more mvps last finals than west has in his entire gst career lol

Westbrook Graal 12-28-2017 04:06 PM

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Posted by Darkk (Post 805135)
Why is westbrick always talking about spar? I got more mvps last finals than west has in his entire gst career lol

Why is dark always talking about me lol


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