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snk 09-23-2012 03:29 PM

Gang Changes
 
This is only proposed right now, but I think we'll implement it after talking with Stefan

Gangs right now focus on one thing- base hours. There are long term prizes for this, which will stay. This won't be effected.

However, what about Player Killing (PK) and Sparring? No real rewards. So, I've been speaking with lots of players (gang owners, spar players etc) and this is what we think will be better.

We introduce a new aspect to gangs, called PK Points. Each kill inside a gang base will give the gang +1 PK point. Every 10 deaths the gang has inside the gang base, they lose 1 PK point.

Now there are 3 types- PK Points, Sparring and Basing Hours. Each week, the top 3 gangs of each category will win gang points. (3 points for 1st place, 2 points for 2nd place and 1 point for 3rd place) This will reward 9 gangs- on a weekly basis.

The gang points can be spent by the leader for prizes-
  • Gun Rentals for 24 hours
  • Gun Rentals for 1 week
  • Everybody in your gang receives 1 EC
  • Extra slot for gang member
  • More...
  • More......
  • More.........

What do you think to this? would you personally find it fun?

Rockstar 09-23-2012 03:31 PM

Yes. As I said I'd attract more basing which is what we need.

#5 09-23-2012 03:31 PM

beautiful.

Dylan 09-23-2012 03:31 PM

Sounds a ton funner, it's time gangs were revamped :p

Engel 09-23-2012 03:33 PM

Hmmm it would be fun, but what kind of weapons for rent are you talking about? Because if you have 25 pbpers basing won't be any fun...

Ozzy_Magus 09-23-2012 03:37 PM

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Posted by Engel (Post 202567)
Hmmm it would be fun, but what kind of weapons for rent are you talking about? Because if you have 25 pbpers basing won't be any fun...

Rental Guns are a prize(example:p2k's,metalstorm ect...)
What peope are gonna use to obtain kills/base hours/Spar Kills as long as it is legit/legal its their choice.
Agreed 25 pbpers is hard to kill,but once again "Nothing Is Impossible".
=]

snk 09-23-2012 03:38 PM

It would be a new set of weapons - not in store weapons I don't think

Engel 09-23-2012 03:41 PM

Nothing is impossible, but yet again it wouldn't be fun. I say you give them something that doesn't make them better, because if you have 25 pbpers they wont lose that base easily, which makes them earn only more points, so they can rent weapons again etc. The "strong" gangs would only get stronger.

Ozzy_Magus 09-23-2012 03:51 PM

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Posted by Engel (Post 202570)
Nothing is impossible, but yet again it wouldn't be fun. I say you give them something that doesn't make them better, because if you have 25 pbpers they wont lose that base easily, which makes them earn only more points, so they can rent weapons again etc. The "strong" gangs would only get stronger.

No,else there is no challenge.And I can tell you that 25 pbpers are 100% not pro-players.
That's a 'problem' that cannot be solved I guess,that's where you(gangs) interfere,skill is needed.
A default gun for everyone to use ins't fun and the bases are public,so no.
Players use what they want.
25 Pbpers lose vs 200 players with 30 gang tags to try to take their base,do you get what I mean.
It won't happen that they'll keep it for ages.

Simple 09-23-2012 03:53 PM

Awesome ;)

Engel 09-23-2012 03:53 PM

It wouldn't be fun.
And I know they aren't, that's why they use pbp... Anyways, that's just my thought.
Can't they save up points for a custom hat for the gang, or anything alike?

poorface 09-23-2012 04:08 PM

I like it.

Ozzy_Magus 09-23-2012 04:23 PM

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Posted by Engel (Post 202576)
It wouldn't be fun.
And I know they aren't, that's why they use pbp... Anyways, that's just my thought.
Can't they save up points for a custom hat for the gang, or anything alike?

Im sure everyone agrees with me that guns,hats,ecs,items are better.

The custom gang hat is a prize for the total hours score,do NOT forget that.
Custom GangHat has nothing to do with this.

Clown 09-23-2012 04:28 PM

do eet!

BLiZzArD 09-23-2012 04:29 PM

I love the idea it would make basing so much more fun.

G Fatal 09-23-2012 04:31 PM

I like the idea, gives a different goal for all guilds and would make basing more interesting.

Ozzy_Magus 09-23-2012 04:31 PM

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Posted by BLiZzArD (Post 202611)
I love the idea it would make basing so much more fun.

Aswell as Pking and Sparring.
All three(Pking,Sparring,Basing) will be giving points.

slasher 09-23-2012 04:32 PM

Sounds good to me go for it add this :)

Chael 09-23-2012 04:36 PM

That is a great way to make basing and sparring worth while. Besides the fact that it takes quite a while to get the gang hour prizes. These pk points would make basing more interesting. I like this idea. It should be recognized and integrated into the gang base system.

Flux* 09-23-2012 04:38 PM

Thist Idea is great :D

callimuc 09-23-2012 04:38 PM

do it!

Acer 09-23-2012 04:40 PM

Sounds like a great idea.

Sup3rn00b 09-23-2012 05:02 PM

sounds awesome!

fsh 09-23-2012 05:06 PM

cool

NCJohn 09-23-2012 05:52 PM

This is a great idea; it will defenitely provide an incentive for gangs to constantly spar, pk and base. Also maybe later on once the system is implemented we could come up with some sort of weekly gang event where a certain number of gangs can partake and the winner will get a gang point(s). I know I've been rather inactive lately but I'm excited for this idea.

Kiko 09-23-2012 05:54 PM

I like it except for the part where you lose a point when 10 people die. I think you shouldn't loose anything when however many people die but make the prices of these rewards higher.
Just my oppinion.

Dude1310 09-23-2012 05:54 PM

SWEET!

Talon 09-23-2012 06:01 PM

No global/full gang rewards. It would help members that aren't online and active.

Wahzaah 09-23-2012 06:13 PM

sweet

BabyGhost 09-23-2012 06:24 PM

I like this. Rep+ for you snk.

MSM 09-23-2012 06:39 PM

Quote:

Posted by snk (Post 202563)
This is only proposed right now, but I think we'll implement it after talking with Stefan

Gangs right now focus on one thing- base hours. There are long term prizes for this, which will stay. This won't be effected.

However, what about Player Killing (PK) and Sparring? No real rewards. So, I've been speaking with lots of players (gang owners, spar players etc) and this is what we think will be better.

We introduce a new aspect to gangs, called PK Points. Each kill inside a gang base will give the gang +1 PK point. Every 10 deaths the gang has inside the gang base, they lose 1 PK point.

Now there are 3 types- PK Points, Sparring and Basing Hours. Each week, the top 3 gangs of each category will win gang points. (3 points for 1st place, 2 points for 2nd place and 1 point for 3rd place) This will reward 9 gangs- on a weekly basis.

The gang points can be spent by the leader for prizes-
  • Gun Rentals for 24 hours
  • Gun Rentals for 1 week
  • Everybody in your gang receives 1 EC
  • Extra slot for gang member
  • Auto Revive for 1-3 days
  • Car Rental for 2 days
  • 250-500 Gralats for each gang member

What do you think to this? would you personally find it fun?

Very good ideas! I filled in the "More" spots with some of my ideas.

Yogy* 09-23-2012 06:47 PM

Time to join EBI -.-

Wait nvm i will spar with moose :p

fsh 09-23-2012 06:49 PM

People like Donnie will spend all the points for himself :O

Yogy* 09-23-2012 06:58 PM

Its actualy not that good idea because ec should be getting from events... Atm alot of us getting it from achievements and will be getting from this :/ thats sad

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Posted by fsh (Post 202743)
People like Donnie will spend all the points for himself :O

Gets suck anyway

NCJohn 09-23-2012 07:07 PM

Quote:

Posted by Yogy* (Post 202751)
Gets suck anyway

So does your grammar.

MSM 09-23-2012 07:09 PM

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Posted by NCJohn (Post 202765)
So does your grammar.

haha rep

Vladamir Blackthorne 09-23-2012 07:13 PM

Pk points? Me likey :0 but instead of the current bases make "gang war" zones where there is no objective but kill kill kill ;P a little like PC era but it would mean that you could kill without being kicked out when the control over a base shifts to someone else

Engel 09-23-2012 07:16 PM

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Posted by Lazerlatté (Post 202767)
Pk points? Me likey :0 but instead of the current bases make "gang war" zones where there is no objective but kill kill kill ;P a little like PC era but it would mean that you could kill without being kicked out when the control over a base shifts to someone else

You mean the PK arena ? No one ever shows up there...

Jester Lapse 09-23-2012 07:21 PM

I can tell ozzy helped with this idea c( :

I like, how exactly does this affect gang spar however?

MementoJoker 09-23-2012 07:32 PM

snk, please make it possible to chose a co-leader, who can give ranks etc.

Ozzy_Magus 09-23-2012 07:42 PM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 202778)
I can tell ozzy helped with this idea c( :

I like, how exactly does this affect gang spar however?

Haha.


Well we hope that this will make players Kill,Spar,GangSpar,Take bases more often.But also so there are various ways to have fun and win points>GangGuns ect...
I told snk you'd like this ^.^ We brainstormed all the day about a system x.x
But yeah we did it! Lol.

NCJohn 09-23-2012 07:42 PM

Quote:

Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 202778)
I can tell ozzy helped with this idea c( :

I like, how exactly does this affect gang spar however?

I think the top 3 gangs in gang sparring each week will recieve the gang points just like the top 3 in total hours for the week and the top 3 for total pk points for the week.

Jester Lapse 09-23-2012 07:48 PM

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Posted by Ozzy_Magus (Post 202784)

I told snk you'd like this ^.^ We brainstormed all the day about a system x.x

Good to know my opinion is so highly regarded lol

Quote:

Posted by NCJohn (Post 202785)

I think the top 3 gangs in gang sparring each week will recieve the gang points just like the top 3 in total hours for the week and the top 3 for total pk points for the week.

And precautions to stop boosting spar gangs?

NCJohn 09-23-2012 07:55 PM

Quote:

Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 202788)
Good to know my opinion is so highly regarded lol



And precautions to stop boosting spar gangs?

Good point; I assume that we would just have to monitor gang sparring for thoroughly then it is currently and we will have to punish the rule breakers more severely to deter gang spar boosting.

Engel 09-23-2012 07:57 PM

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Posted by NCJohn (Post 202790)
Good point; I assume that we would just have to monitor gang sparring for thoroughly then it is currently and we will have to punish the rule breakers more severely to deter gang spar boosting.

Reset all points when boosting... That will scare them off ;)

Ozzy_Magus 09-23-2012 07:58 PM

Gonna laugh at all these boosters.

fsh 09-23-2012 08:05 PM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 202788)


And precautions to stop boosting spar gangs?

How do you boost gang spar?

Jester Lapse 09-23-2012 08:07 PM

Quote:

Posted by NCJohn (Post 202790)

Good point; I assume that we would just have to monitor gang sparring for thoroughly then it is currently and we will have to punish the rule breakers more severely to deter gang spar boosting.

Hmm seems to be the only real flaw in the plan. There are times when all staff aren't on or only 3 are on and have to be doing something other than monitoring.
I'd thing of a system, similar to the stop boosting PK's one, but then again, when two gangs join even in a packed room they will more often than not fight each other more than 3 times in a row 3:
My suggestion would be only enable spar gang points when a staff member announces it therefore it is monitored and boosting is minimal to none. Keep the gang spar points and the gang spar separate I guess is what I'm saying

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Posted by fsh (Post 202795)

How do you boost gang spar?

Umm, take a gang with decent spar record and boost off of it? How else would you? That question is dumb :p

Talon 09-23-2012 08:08 PM

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Posted by Yogy* (Post 202751)
Its actualy not that good idea because ec should be getting from events... Atm alot of us getting it from achievements and will be getting from this :/ thats sad



Gets suck anyway

Please, you're just trying to advocate the exclusivity of EC so no one else has your precious rainbow lightsaber, because if they did, you wouldn't feel you're special and superior to the rest of the playerbase.

Vladamir Blackthorne 09-23-2012 08:09 PM

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Posted by Engel (Post 202773)
You mean the PK arena ? No one ever shows up there...

No, what snk is saying is that you can only get pk points for your gang in gang bases, which kinda limits gangs purely for pk. For example, and I already said this, if a gang takes a base while you're racking up pk points, you get kicked out, which would be annoying. And besides, if you put "gang" in front of anything, people will swarm to it XD


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