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rickclops 10-02-2012 02:49 AM

GST
 
This is an old topic.

Why is GST held ever 3 months instead of one now?
Why is the date never announced ahead of time?

Ryan 10-02-2012 05:34 AM

I don't know why they do one at the start of every season. It was better once a month

MrSimons 10-02-2012 06:01 AM

Because it was too much work putting it together every month, and because it doesn't need to be.

rickclops 10-02-2012 05:02 PM

UN holds many more events than iclassic. And too much work doesn't explain why they never announce the date properly.

Winter 10-02-2012 07:24 PM

It used to be the last Saturday of every month, then they changed it to seasonal/3 months, and they eventually lost track of when it should be held. There really isn't much organization at all now. It was changed to 3 months because the older method of registering teams took much longer, and there was both the Facebook and iPhone servers to be watched by staff, hosted, and carried out. "Too much work".

UN is different because the events are held by a staff team that has no particular job to do besides host events, while staff on Classic iPhone seem to treat it like jury duty.. Dates are never announced because nobody keeps track, and it is not written anywhere. It was never actually officially set in stone.

Rufus 10-02-2012 07:47 PM

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Posted by Winter (Post 207516)
It used to be the last Saturday of every month, then they changed it to seasonal/3 months, and they eventually lost track of when it should be held. There really isn't much organization at all now. It was changed to 3 months because the older method of registering teams took much longer, and there was both the Facebook and iPhone servers to be watched by staff, hosted, and carried out. "Too much work".

UN is different because the events are held by a staff team that has no particular job to do besides host events, while staff on Classic iPhone seem to treat it like jury duty.. Dates are never announced because nobody keeps track, and it is not written anywhere. It was never actually officially set in stone.

This is just wrong. People always seem to know when the GST is and I rarely say anything to anyone incase it DOES change. This is likely attributed to the fact that it doesn't actually change, but is hosted on a consistent date, which is always the first Saturday of the new season. I've even had the dates in the forum calendar for months now.

Unlike a PC server the tournament doesn't need to be announced several times a month. Registration opens up on the week that the tournament is, and I can't say it has ever been short of participants.

Winter 10-02-2012 08:05 PM

Hmm.. The first GST was on the last Saturday of June or July.. and I think the next month was also the last Saturday.. and the next one.. Only recently has it changed to the first weekend, I believe. I don't ever hear about these dates though, I only know about them once registration opens up on the week of the tournament, which has worked so far I guess.

Perhaps an in-game calendar would help alleviate problems.. I mean, I would have never known to check the forum calendar lol. Maybe I'll post the idea in a suggestion thread if I get the chance..

Rufus 10-02-2012 08:35 PM

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Posted by Winter (Post 207531)
Hmm.. The first GST was on the last Saturday of June or July.. and I think the next month was also the last Saturday.. and the next one.. Only recently has it changed to the first weekend, I believe. I don't ever hear about these dates though, I only know about them once registration opens up on the week of the tournament, which has worked so far I guess.

Perhaps an in-game calendar would help alleviate problems.. I mean, I would have never known to check the forum calendar lol. Maybe I'll post the idea in a suggestion thread if I get the chance..

I think an in-game calendar was going to be made a while ago, I should really check up on what came of that.

rickclops 10-02-2012 11:43 PM

Everyone I know on iclassic thought GST was going to be held last saturday, then this saturday. No one knows.

Also, how does a 3 month tournament have any less entrants than a 1 month?
Only allowing the higher ranked teams in seems good though.

The forum calendar says GST is this saturday, but we can't register yet? Whaaaaat?

twilit 10-03-2012 03:51 AM

Last time i checked (rarely) GST was not on calendar. but ok i see it now. So why isnt registration open yet? its always been opened on the sunday before, correct?

M4rkus 10-03-2012 02:25 PM

I cant understand when GST is:( The registration is not open yet and the calendar says gst is this week... i have been told that GST registration opening tomorrow... I am confused

rickclops 10-04-2012 04:15 AM

How much lag to admins allow in GST? The other guilds in top 3 besides mother have all laggers as members. :/

iDylan 10-04-2012 09:12 AM

I'm not participating this year, good luck mainly to SNC.

twilit 10-06-2012 05:34 AM

ok um wth? First registration doesnt open until 3days late. and now its closed 1day early?...

Thallen 10-06-2012 09:40 PM

was a complete joke, for something that is hosted once every 3 months you figure you guys would be able to get it right
several players (including myself) were "glitched" and warped out of the spar at 2 HP
the host (or at least the host of my matches, Chris) didn't even acknowledge it or provide any explanation at all

I considered that maybe there's some anti-lag script and maybe I had spiked for a quick second, but nope
http://puu.sh/1c4Fg

GG all, last one I'll be wasting 3 hours on

MrSimons 10-06-2012 09:43 PM

I don't see why it needs to be registration needs to be opened earlier. As long as it is possible to register I think it's fine.

Higbey 10-06-2012 09:47 PM

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Posted by Mr.$imons (Post 209630)
I don't see why it needs to be registration needs to be opened earlier. As long as it is possible to register I think it's fine.

because not everyone can register at the same time and some people dont have time available to register at one specific time.

Thallen 10-06-2012 09:54 PM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 209627)
was a complete joke, for something that is hosted once every 3 months you figure you guys would be able to get it right
several players (including myself) were "glitched" and warped out of the spar at 2 HP
the host (or at least the host of my matches, Chris) didn't even acknowledge it or provide any explanation at all

I considered that maybe there's some anti-lag script and maybe I had spiked for a quick second, but nope
http://puu.sh/1c4Fg

GG all, last one I'll be wasting 3 hours on

also and just to clarify, this didn't happen to just me
it happened to several players, and was ignored every time

Higbey 10-06-2012 09:59 PM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 209638)
also and just to clarify, this didn't happen to just me
it happened to several players, and was ignored every time

i here this every GST... i think the system needs to be automated and less chaotic... it definitely has a lot of problems..

MrSimons 10-06-2012 10:08 PM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 209636)
because not everyone can register at the same time and some people dont have time available to register at one specific time.

Like I said, as long as it is possible to register.

Higbey 10-06-2012 10:31 PM

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Posted by Mr.$imons (Post 209642)

Like I said, as long as it is possible to register.

Earlier registration= longer period over which to register.

Blueh 10-06-2012 10:33 PM

Also, can a randomized team generator be too much to ask for? I don't like how the guilds in the top of the GS scores get paired up with easy guilds so they're guaranteed to be in the finals. No it's not "dramatic" to see the best guilds fight last. It's stupid, cheap and unfair. There's probably like plenty of random bracket makers out there. What's so good about them? They're not biased.

Thallen 10-06-2012 10:52 PM

none of your suggestions matter when the hosts are too incompetent to correctly hold a tournament and when the developers are apparently incapable of preventing things like randomly warping players out of the arena

may the most fortunate team win

P1 10-06-2012 10:52 PM

First of I'd like to say a massive congratulations to the the guys from T2D we did amazingly well with a last minute team. We beat US who were favourites to win along the way to the final I could barely have asked for anymore from the guys but still slightly disappointed we lost in the final. Although i must say congratulations to Mother for putting out a vicious team.

As for the glitch Thallen mentioned it screwed us over a few times possibly twice in the final aswell which turned out to be costly a but we'll be back stronger next time.

rickclops 10-07-2012 03:42 AM

Seeding is better than random pairings for a heavily watched tournament. It's boring to see a good and bad team in the finals.

Players getting warped out of spar is garbage, so is teams getting stuck with less than 5 because of a host that doesn't take time to make sure a team has all their members warped in.

Titan 10-07-2012 04:19 AM

I've had a problem of as soon as i enter the arena i get ejected from the match cus i died BEFORE the match even started. oh yea such a well put together event. i quit gst after that happening 3 times in 3 seperate GST

Winter 10-07-2012 02:35 PM

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Posted by rickclops (Post 209812)
Players getting warped out of spar is garbage, so is teams getting stuck with less than 5 because of a host that doesn't take time to make sure a team has all their members warped in.

Most likely minor script flaws. Its also garbage when this happens to your team, but you can't complain because over a thousand players already hate you and your team for winning in the past, trash talk you for losing, and would hate you even more for winning by default, even if it completely abides by the rules.. No choice but to allow being cheated..

As for Mother's problem, I believe more experienced hosts should be put in charge of a seasonal event as large as the GST. Too many human errors have occurred in the past for it to be fair enough for every team.. Well done staff, but I think the GST is still in a learning process.

Xavier 10-07-2012 08:36 PM

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Posted by Winter (Post 210035)
Well done staff, but I think the GST is still in a learning process.

It's kind of sad that it's still in a learning process over a year and two months after it's debut. :\ I'm not trying to evoke an argument; I'm just stating that.

rickclops 10-07-2012 09:13 PM

I did notice GST ran much, much faster than it has in the past.

Blueh 10-07-2012 09:23 PM

Quote:

Posted by Winter (Post 210035)
Well done staff, but I think the GST is still in a learning process.

If it's a learning process you can clearly tell it got held back a few years.

Winter 10-07-2012 10:47 PM

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Posted by Xavier (Post 210194)
It's kind of sad that it's still in a learning process over a year and two months after it's debut. :\ I'm not trying to evoke an argument; I'm just stating that.

Quote:

Posted by Blueh (Post 210209)
If it's a learning process you can clearly tell it got held back a few years.

Sad, yes. But I feel its true, because not all the bugs have been worked out. It will never be perfect, but too many people have issues with it every time it comes around for it to be considered fully completed in my opinion.

LiA 10-08-2012 11:46 PM

Well, most players already know the date of every GST....It's common sense. It always happen every 3 months, on the first Saturday of the month. So 2013 would probably be January 5th, April 6th, July 6th, and October 5th unless if the staffs decide to randomly change them to the end of each month.

rickclops 10-09-2012 10:07 PM

Is there a good reason staff doesn't announce challenges for guild spar anymore?

rickclops 10-17-2012 07:11 PM

GST Changes needed:

Numbers at each of the 4 or 6 viewing areas
The current teams battling listed next to the viewing area, or the arena number listed next to each match when you click the belt icon at the top of the screen

Time before rounds to make sure:
All of a team is warped.
Core members are put into the spar before sub members.

Between rounds:
Host should move to the center of the room so viewers can see them and give an explanation if a player is removed for lag, or if a round will be resparred

I think that is all


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