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poorface 10-07-2012 05:08 PM

Lets finish nerfing the lightsaber!
 
Well it's obvious that the lightsaber was made to suck, so ill share the last decent thing about it. If you're blocking with it then use your ice skates you can turn with it, just like the old days! If this gets nerfed well all know that the lightsaber was a gag to waste people's time and effort!

eric 10-07-2012 05:20 PM

Ikr make it 10 dmg and reflecting melees and twice the speed of hunter
I DONT EVEN HAVE ONE

And make it so when you spun it u can also walk

Ghettoicedtea 10-07-2012 05:22 PM

100 ec this thing needs a major buff along with bamboo

Billy 10-07-2012 05:48 PM

It should be 10 damage,able to deflect melees,able to switch directions when spinning. Right now the lightsaber is ****,it was already alright for it's price but you know,staff don't give you what you paid for.

RedBoy786* 10-07-2012 05:59 PM

This makes me sick! What is up in the minds of these admins? 100 ec takes forever! I don't have a Lightsaber and most likely never will but this is ultimate unfairness at the highest level. What's the point of a melee which people takes months to save for to suck to a level to a, TO A STUPID CRAB DAGGER! Same goes with bamboo. It's 35 ecs for pure junk.

Bamboo+Lightsaber= IN NEED IF BUFF!!

poorface 10-07-2012 06:13 PM

Oh no, you all misunderstand. This isn't a rage thread silly people, it's a test to see how far they'll go to waste our time and effort.

Jefri~ 10-07-2012 06:16 PM

10 dam
Knockback
Abit faster than katana
Blocks bullet when spin and can change direction while spin
Done

Ghettoicedtea 10-07-2012 06:18 PM

No knockback. That would cross the line. Its already bad enough with crab daggers

failure 10-07-2012 07:47 PM

I think that we are all forgetting one thing. THE UMBRELLA SUCKS TOO!

Ghettoicedtea 10-07-2012 07:57 PM

Nah its fine

romario786 10-07-2012 08:42 PM

thank you poorface... helps me a lot in basing now lool...


ALSO they nerffed umbrella/lightsaber again, when you try to deflect the bullets by pressing the deflect icon.. if a bullet its you it disables you to move which results in instant death under 3 seconds :l

thank you poorface... helps me a lot in basing now lool...


ALSO they nerffed umbrella/lightsaber again, when you try to deflect the bullets by pressing the deflect icon.. if a bullet its you it disables you to move which results in instant death under 3 seconds :l

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Posted by RedBoy786* (Post 210099)
This makes me sick! What is up in the minds of these admins? 100 ec takes forever! I don't have a Lightsaber and most likely never will but this is ultimate unfairness at the highest level. What's the point of a melee which people takes months to save for to suck to a level to a, TO A STUPID CRAB DAGGER! Same goes with bamboo. It's 35 ecs for pure junk.

Bamboo+Lightsaber=UMBRELLA= IN NEED IF BUFF!!

+ Umbrella....

poorface 10-07-2012 10:14 PM

Yeah Romario, that was the recent nerf that I've been talking about..

DragonRider 10-07-2012 11:05 PM

y so mad

eric 10-07-2012 11:14 PM

Dragon rider shutup

DragonRider 10-07-2012 11:19 PM

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Posted by eric (Post 210221)
Dragon rider shutup

no u

Sup3rn00b 10-08-2012 01:56 AM

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Posted by DragonRider (Post 210223)
no u

AN AMAZING COMEBACK

romario786 10-08-2012 02:26 AM

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Posted by poorface (Post 210206)
Yeah Romario, that was the recent nerf that I've been talking about..

The thing is light saber and umbrella both rare and expensive item, I don't think there should be any reason at all to nerf them, however are they willing to buff it again poorface?

poorface 10-08-2012 02:41 AM

Of course not lol. When was the last time they actually buffed something in need of it?

Infernus Lapse 10-08-2012 03:22 AM

So sad. These changes may never come to be since the weapons admins and developers and whoever the hell does the weapon stats is too chicken**** to listen to us and make a decent change for once. Seriously, buff lightsaber bamboo and umbrella, put in some decently priced guns, and your job is done, otherwise id like to suggest to snk a new weapons admin. Seriously.

DragonRider 10-08-2012 06:29 AM

Infernus,don't throw **** at the staff like that. They'll buff it if they decide it needs one.

RedBoy786* 10-08-2012 07:51 AM

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Posted by DragonRider (Post 210352)
Infernus,don't throw **** at the staff like that. They'll buff it if they decide it needs one.

Well it clearly does since the rarest and what's sopposed to be the best melee in era, The holy Lightsaber, totally works like crap. It was good before the nerf. What was the need of the nerf anyways? Ok it was a teeny weeny bit overpowered but what do you expect? It is a 100 ec item for f**k sake.

Same goes with Umbella. It's an 100k melee. How many Melees are there worth 100k? Not a lot, and those which ARE a expensive Melees, they do there job like the chainsaw dealing 15 damage or something.

And last but certainly not least, the 35 ec bamboo. The description of it stands out 'has a chance of blockIng bullets'. That description is an ultimate scam! Put in comparison of an item with the same worth like the katana. The katana is fast, looks cool, and does what it says on the tin. However, the bamboo dosent! It's a total piece of junk. What is the need of a nerf on it? It's meant to be a 'super item'. It's definatly NOT being treated like one.

Martyn 10-08-2012 07:54 AM

Even crab daggers are better than lightsaber

Angel 10-08-2012 11:28 AM

Bamboo needs to block bullets AND ITS NOT DEFLECTING THE BULLETS OK??
I got my umbrella for 20k :3
Even just make umbrella 10 dmg and a buffed speed of it.

failure 10-09-2012 02:05 AM

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Posted by RedBoy786* (Post 210368)
Same goes with Umbella. It's an 100k melee. How many Melees are there worth 100k? Not a lot, and those which ARE a expensive Melees, they do there job like the chainsaw dealing 15 damage or something. .

It's a 100k Melee?!?! ...I got mine for 18k. Lol.

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Posted by Dark Inferno (Post 210401)
Even just make umbrella 10 dmg and a buffed speed of it.

Yes. Except maybe just 9 damage, and the lightsaber 10 with a higher chance of deflection. So basically trade old defense capabilities for offensive ones.

Yogy* 10-09-2012 03:30 AM

Back to past. If blocking melees is cheap on stefans opinion... Light saber is from star wars right? Saber agains saber is like a melee fight right? Saber does block saber in the movie. Yes i agree that magical bullets apears is kinda stupid but at least you could make enemy gets hurt when he/she attacks person who does block.

Just for my opinion, i think saber worth 50-60 ec not 100

Poor, i think better you didnt say that, coz its a glitch and now everyone know about it.

poorface 10-09-2012 03:59 AM

It's a test to see how much they want to waste our time by nerfing the saber.

Yogy* 10-09-2012 06:27 AM

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Posted by romario786 (Post 210281)
The thing is light saber and umbrella both rare and expensive item, I don't think there should be any reason at all to nerf them, however are they willing to buff it again poorface?

Saber owners=17 umbrella im prety sure around 50

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Posted by Dark Inferno (Post 210401)
Bamboo needs to block bullets AND ITS NOT DEFLECTING THE BULLETS OK??
I got my umbrella for 20k :3
Even just make umbrella 10 dmg and a buffed speed of it.

Why only 10? Lets do 50 damage melee that faster than saber and sell it for 10k good idea huh?

SnakeRekon 10-09-2012 01:39 PM

1 damage and pullings all bullets in the level towards you.

MementoJoker 10-09-2012 03:12 PM

Nice.

romario786 10-09-2012 08:23 PM

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Posted by SnakeRekon (Post 210938)
1 damage and pullings all bullets in the level towards you.

What about melee damage?

Meph 10-09-2012 10:16 PM

Noted

eric 10-09-2012 10:18 PM

Mkk

Ghettoicedtea 10-11-2012 02:41 PM

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Posted by poorface (Post 210288)
Of course not lol. When was the last time they actually buffed something in need of it?

M3 bud

iDigzy 10-11-2012 08:34 PM

I don't see why people complain about this lol the way ec is hoarded by most only about 50 players will or ever will have a chance to get it make it over powered and everyone would just get killed while basing or etc

iSilver 10-11-2012 09:00 PM

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Posted by eric (Post 210073)
Ikr make it 10 dmg and reflecting melees and twice the speed of hunter
I DONT EVEN HAVE ONE

And make it so when you spun it u can also walk

thatd be an unfair advantage to us and a gain to yogy and all the ec cheating twats

RedBoy786* 10-11-2012 09:00 PM

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Posted by iDigzy (Post 211952)
I don't see why people complain about this lol the way ec is hoarded by most only about 50 players will or ever will have a chance to get it make it over powered and everyone would just get killed while basing or etc

As much as how I hate ec hoarding, it requires skill whilst OP free Melees (crab daggers) and buying graalat packs don't. Think about it, when you have 100 ecs, you are looking for the most rare and epic melee on the market= Lightsaber. What is the literal point of purchasing the 'rarest' item on Era when it is going to suck as low to a standard to something free? Also, what was the need to nerf it in the first place. Anyone who ever got killed by it always thought that 'Damn that Weopen is Overpowered' and then thought 'Oh well, it is a 100 EVENT COIN melee so I deserve to die'.

Same goes with Bamboo. It should have exactly the same stats as saber APART from the damage which could stay the same. Apart from that, Bamboo and Saber need to be buffed.

Umbrella should also be on the list after buffing the Saber and Bamboo since it also have exactly the same stats as saber apart from the damage. Oh, and on the description of the unbrella, it says 'The indestructible...' when in reality, that is also a 'scam' description just like the bamboo. It most certainly IS NOT indestructible since the recent nerf made it so that when you are hurt, you can't take out the unbrella for like 3 secounds which ALWAYS makes you die.
I don't have words for how, as well as the society of era scams, the admins also scam with there nerf of weapons, invalid description of items and making innocent children buy items which is later nerfed. It's just... its sad.

iDigzy 10-11-2012 11:21 PM

I don't see why they cant just make an item good so they wont need to nerf it if its cheap and easy to get make it bot so good harder to get make it better instead they over power everything people buy packs or dig it finally get it and its nerfed to crap. Examples:
Pirate hammer
Excal
Pbp
Saber
Bone sword
If they had just made them not so over powered it would be good

romario786 10-12-2012 12:16 AM

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Posted by iDigzy (Post 212014)
I don't see why they cant just make an item good so they wont need to nerf it if its cheap and easy to get make it bot so good harder to get make it better instead they over power everything people buy packs or dig it finally get it and its nerfed to crap. Examples:
Pirate hammer
Excal
Pbp
Saber
Bone sword
UMBRELLA
If they had just made them not so over powered it would be good

i edited for you, something which you missed :)

fsh 10-12-2012 12:30 AM

Remember when M16 was out? :D Bill Smith and I dug to 10k and I bought it, it was so fast. Then by admins used their "logic" and raised the price and(you could hav guessed it) they nerfed it.

Meph 10-12-2012 12:50 AM

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Posted by fsh (Post 212038)
Remember when M16 was out? :D Bill Smith and I dug to 10k and I bought it, it was so fast. Then by admins used their "logic" and raised the price and(you could hav guessed it) they nerfed it.

I was just pking with it, it's terrible. Right now it's basically a Taurus with more clip, spread, and less damage.

The item description is "very fast" and that's highly misleading.

I assure you, this is on my "fix list"

Thanks for the input guys, keep it up

romario786 10-12-2012 01:06 AM

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Posted by Meph (Post 212051)
I was just pking with it, it's terrible. Right now it's basically a Taurus with more clip, spread, and less damage.

The item description is "very fast" and that's highly misleading.

I assure you, this is on my "fix list"

Thanks for the input guys, keep it up

what about the KSG?

Meph 10-12-2012 01:16 AM

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Posted by iDigzy (Post 212014)
I don't see why they cant just make an item good so they wont need to nerf it if its cheap and easy to get make it bot so good harder to get make it better instead they over power everything people buy packs or dig it finally get it and its nerfed to crap.

It's for this reason that my plan is to go through every melee and determine their worth based on how they were obtained, how much they were purchased for, and their special qualities(degree of knockback, etc.).

By 'worth', I'm talking about their damage, freeze, and timeout between attacks.

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Posted by romario786 (Post 212067)
what about the KSG?

Yeah- I'm also going to look into this.
The fact that it's got the shield will definitely carry weight on its stats, that's no reason for its offensive properties to be worse than a regular shotgun.

Oh, and I don't know if I've brought this up yet, but I plan on also nerfing Olympic Rings. I had the misfortune to go against one, and for what it cost when the shop was out, it certainly shouldn't be as powerful as it currently is. I don't believe any item should be that powerful.
To clear up any confusion, 'powerful' is in reference to the weapon as a whole, I don't plan on changing the damage. Probably just adding a reasonable freeze, and skewing its spread a tad bit.

romario786 10-12-2012 01:21 AM

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Posted by Meph (Post 212073)

Yeah- I'm also going to look into this.
The fact that it's got the shield will definitely carry weight on its stats, that's no reason for its offensive properties to be worse than a regular shotgun.

fair enough with the weight distribution but do something for the block rate and fire damage... because that's where the KSG lacks from..

Meph 10-12-2012 01:46 AM

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Posted by romario786 (Post 212074)
fair enough with the weight distribution but do something for the block rate and fire damage... because that's where the KSG lacks from..

Oops lol, when I said "carry weight", I didn't mean it literally.
I meant that the fact that it has a special ability(shield that blocks) will warrant an impediment on one of its other assets, but not as heavily impact the damage as it currently is; that's abit overkill. It's currently useless as a weapon, and its current block isn't a good enough percentage to excuse such poor damage.
Especially for the price of it.

Though, since you accidentally brought it up: it would be a decent idea to add the handicap of 'slowing you down' when the shield is enabled; and in that event I could see reason to increase the block percentage; to cope for the increased vulnerability.

Also, when it's a decent weapon, I'm down for the idea of having the shield require a routine repairing, based on how much damage it takes. More damage taken without repair = less block percentage.

Checks and balances :].

romario786 10-12-2012 01:49 AM

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Posted by Meph (Post 212095)
Oops lol, when I said "carry weight", I didn't mean it literally.
I meant that the fact that it has a special ability(shield that blocks) will warrant an impediment on one of its other assets, but not as heavily impact the damage as it currently is.

Though, it would be a decent idea to add the handicap of 'slowing you down' when the shield is enabled; and in that event I could see reason to increase the block percentage; to cope for the increased vulnerability.

Checks and balances :].

its already slow, snake added the slow freeze rate whilst carrying the shield it makes you go slow right now at this very point.. but if you can increase the block percentage and the damage percentage the KSG will be balanced.

failure 10-12-2012 02:06 AM

Mephs the ga? I had no idea. Lol, sorry. Also, I think the Acr needs to take a hit...it's so cheap.
And to whoever said bamboo needs to have the same stats as saber, except 2 less damage: no. Bamboo should not deflect. Everything else would be fine though

VendettaDaOne 10-13-2012 12:54 PM

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Posted by poorface (Post 210067)
Well it's obvious that the lightsaber was made to suck, so ill share the last decent thing about it. If you're blocking with it then use your ice skates you can turn with it, just like the old days! If this gets nerfed well all know that the lightsaber was a gag to waste people's time and effort!

I see, agreed.

Yogy* 10-13-2012 08:52 PM

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Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM (Post 211391)
It was to be proposed as almost an upgrade for the normal saber, meaning to buy it you first had to buy any of the original sabers, get 1000 kills with it and then you could buy it for the saber you had for 100ec+ another 50-100 ec.

I'm not sure if it was still to be released as the throw wasn't completely done (didn't do damage yet) and was going to be done by snk when he got around to it, whenever that was going to be, or will be.

add it.

V. 10-13-2012 09:38 PM

Buff the MK23's. They're useless. Decrease the freeze and sleep, to compensate lower the damage by one or two.

romario786 10-13-2012 11:09 PM

New nerf upgraded to saber and umbrella no deflection... It makes us owners of them items so proud and happy...

/sarcasm


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