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Skill 10-19-2012 01:58 PM
Power Creep
 
From wikipedia:
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Power creep is the gradual unbalancing of a game due to successive releases of new content.[1] The phenomenon may be caused by a number of different factors and, in extreme cases, can be damaging to the longevity of the game in which it takes place.
As new expansions or updates are released, new game mechanics or effects are introduced, making it increasingly difficult for older content to remain in balance without changes. Usually, this means new content releases grow successively more powerful while older content becomes regressively outdated or relatively underpowered.
This is a major problem with Era. The guns from when the game was originally released no longer stand a chance against newer guns that fire very fast while doing an enormous amount of damage. I've tried to get back into Era but I just can't when I need to either spend about $30-100 or spend like 50 hours digging shells just to get a good gun. Should I really put this much time or money into a 2d mobile MMO?


With the same money I could buy a quality game, and with that much time spend working a minimum wage job, I could make $400 instead of getting a virtual weapon. You could argue that playing a game is more fun, but when the best way of making money on Era is running around digging shells for hours on end, its more repetitive than most part time jobs.

Can you please buff older guns like the shotguns and the ak-47? They feel pretty useless compared to new guns and most competitive gangs wont let me in without a newer better gun.

V. 10-19-2012 02:05 PM
'Greed.

MementoJoker 10-19-2012 03:19 PM
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Posted by V. (Post 216641)
'Greed.

lord greg 10-19-2012 04:57 PM
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Posted by Skill (Post 216637)
From wikipedia:


This is a major problem with Era. The guns from when the game was originally released no longer stand a chance against newer guns that fire very fast while doing an enormous amount of damage. I've tried to get back into Era but I just can't when I need to either spend about $30-100 or spend like 50 hours digging shells just to get a good gun. Should I really put this much time or money into a 2d mobile MMO?


With the same money I could buy a quality game, and with that much time spend working a minimum wage job, I could make $400 instead of getting a virtual weapon. You could argue that playing a game is more fun, but when the best way of making money on Era is running around digging shells for hours on end, its more repetitive than most part time jobs.

Can you please buff older guns like the shotguns and the ak-47? They feel pretty useless compared to new guns and most competitive gangs wont let me in without a newer better gun.
Some guns are cheap but good. Try buying the steam punk pistol.

Infernus Lapse 10-19-2012 05:07 PM
I really agree. Staff seems to not be able to see how overpriced their guns and weapons are.

BboyEatsbacon 10-19-2012 09:04 PM
The older guns are >2,000 for a reason, bruv

Jester Lapse 10-19-2012 09:05 PM
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Posted by BboyEatsbacon (Post 216790)
The older guns are >2,000 for a reason, bruv
M4 is an older gun. *cough*

BboyEatsbacon 10-19-2012 09:08 PM
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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 216792)
M4 is an older gun. *cough*
M4 has good stats so it's price was bumped up. *cough*

Jester Lapse 10-19-2012 09:12 PM
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Posted by BboyEatsbacon (Post 216794)

M4 has good stats so it's price was bumped up. *cough*
So your statement is false *cough*

BboyEatsbacon 10-20-2012 02:00 AM
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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 216796)
So your statement is false *cough*
BB CAN'T LIE!

callimuc 10-20-2012 02:01 AM
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Posted by BboyEatsbacon (Post 216962)
BB CAN'T LIE!
obvious lie :(

BboyEatsbacon 10-20-2012 02:03 AM
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Posted by callimuc (Post 216964)
obvious lie :(
So >:0

Gamelova 10-20-2012 02:11 AM
ZEUS go to bboy and get baconnn x0x

Zero02 10-20-2012 02:47 AM
Pfffff please, I beat a Kid with a BAR with my Ak-47 XD

Craftz 10-20-2012 03:45 AM
remember back when m4 was 4500? yeah whyd guns get so expensive...

J0ker 10-20-2012 12:14 PM
well you guys must have had your fun!

SnakeRekon 10-20-2012 12:20 PM
Guess we never quite expected the server to get a few thousand players xD
Bumping M4 price was a bad call, should of just left its stats at 4500 gralat levels and made newer guns :p

Shock 10-20-2012 12:34 PM
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Posted by Zero02 (Post 216989)
Pfffff please, I beat a Kid with a BAR with my Ak-47 XD
But can a team of ak47 users raid and get a base against an army of bars? The answer is no, especially if they know what they're doing.

Skill 10-27-2012 12:14 AM
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Posted by BboyEatsbacon (Post 216794)
M4 has good stats so it's price was bumped up. *cough*
So your argument is that if a gun is expensive, it should be superior to all else? This proves my point...

Ghettoicedtea 10-27-2012 05:14 AM
I agree completley. I tried to start over on my ipad today, as i was derpinnaround with a handgun i noticed that it has NO chance against any other gun, unlike back in the day when handguns were "troll pistols" and were amazing.

Bottom line is that starting weapons ak, aug, etc need a buff BIG time

K!LLA KEV 10-27-2012 03:52 PM
we should just get rid of all guns and just use m4, and era would be a pretty balanced place. it would show everyones true colors.

The Doctor 10-27-2012 03:58 PM
divide all the weapon prices by four. Balancing the game out.

islander13 10-27-2012 04:19 PM
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Posted by Shawn (Post 221714)
divide all the weapon prices by four. Balancing the game out.
Awesome idea!

Skill 12-09-2012 04:36 AM
Bump, but the thread is still relevant so I see no problem in bumping it rather than creating a new one.

The weapons need to be balanced, and owning weapons should be for the sake of variety, not for superiority. Back at release the shotgun, uzis, and ak47 were all viable options used for differrent purposes. Shotguns were a bit uncommon, but I dominated spars by creating huge walls of bullets and dominated basing with the high spread.

Ghettoicedtea 12-09-2012 05:04 AM
Dat tread bump

I agree with shuan, the only problem with that is then everyone is going to be butthurt that they spended more cash than this line of buyers and will demand refunds. Knowing era, refunds will not be givin out, outraged by this, players will quit.

Shotguns need to go back to the way they were. Era staff clearly does not know "if its not broken then don't fix it". Shotguns were perfectly fine the way they were back in the good ol days of higher damage, low freeze, and a decent spread. This also goes with the handguns, ak47, famas (i miss this), lexel, aug (that was fixed), BAR(it was perfectly fine with that super high freeze rate), steampunk, MP40(fixed), Glock, uzis, and the M4(reffering to the price of it).

Im getting extremley tired of power creep in era, it needs to go, all shotguns need to be reverted and BAR needs to go back to extremley high freeze rate.

Also shock spoiler please

Shock 12-09-2012 05:15 AM
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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 251428)
Dat tread bump

I agree with shuan, the only problem with that is then everyone is going to be butthurt that they spended more cash than this line of buyers and will demand refunds. Knowing era, refunds will not be givin out, outraged by this, players will quit.

Shotguns need to go back to the way they were. Era staff clearly does not know "if its not broken then don't fix it". Shotguns were perfectly fine the way they were back in the good ol days of higher damage, low freeze, and a decent spread. This also goes with the handguns, ak47, famas (i miss this), lexel, aug (that was fixed), BAR(it was perfectly fine with that super high freeze rate), steampunk, MP40(fixed), Glock, uzis, and the M4(reffering to the price of it).

Im getting extremley tired of power creep in era, it needs to go, all shotguns need to be reverted and BAR needs to go back to extremley high freeze rate.

Also shock spoiler please
How U know I read thread!???

I like the picture... And I don't know how to resize it. I only use my iPad, so editing is out of the picture.

The Doctor 12-09-2012 06:01 AM
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There ya go.

Billy 12-09-2012 06:09 AM
Spoiler
cake.

Nezo 12-09-2012 06:30 AM
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Posted by Craftz1 (Post 217016)
remember back when m4 was 4500? yeah whyd guns get so expensive...
Remember when the m4 is free?

Rockstar 12-09-2012 06:40 AM
M4 used to be dropped by crabs.
The m4 was my best buy.

Sir 12-09-2012 07:13 AM
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Posted by iRockstar (Post 251575)
M4 used to be dropped by crabs.
The m4 was my best buy.
Watch out! That crabs packing some heat! :0

Ghettoicedtea 12-09-2012 02:44 PM
I also forgot to add umbrella lightsaber and bamboo rod to those list XD

Kyle Kol 12-09-2012 08:14 PM
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Posted by SnakeRekon (Post 217174)
Guess we never quite expected the server to get a few thousand players xD
Bumping M4 price was a bad call, should of just left its stats at 4500 gralat levels and made newer guns :p
Agreed. You can spend more than 15 real dollars for it or spend weeks earning

Ghettoicedtea 12-09-2012 08:40 PM
Honestly I would be ok with the m4 price bump if the famed remained 6.5k and stats were not touched


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