Gives hope of server progress...
 

I made a post early on another thread
about stuff that is being added but never progressed, so it made me think to hit this head on and get it out there...

So why are we not using or progressing any of these stuff?

All stuff put there and not progressed & then they wonder why players moan:
Remi & Marion's quest(Rufus said they may aswell make it from scratch again but stefan said they will release soon...still waiting)
- The Golden Gate,
- The Void-scrapped even that it was done?
- Room in bank giving a sense of a quest? or the bank to be a bank?
- Onnet town -crate game sign,
- Swamp cave door,
- Swamp cave with knomes?
- Swamp NPC fishing guy
- Deadwood- fishing bit ^ (edit: fishing done, bravo took you yrs)
- Bomber game,
- Two stairs above battle arena, why?(now removed)
- Mod Town Event tent...there for just show?
- Our Scarf in our inventorys from the trading quest are we going to be able to use it now snow is here?(as stated in a thread by rufus: winter is nearly here)<Nothing ever happened.
- Even stuff like Achievements get flat out brushed aside with a 'do it yourself' attitude even when Snk already said in that thread that we could very well use the achievement system they have...
- Theres also NPC in york chopping tree,
- zorbi Place that throws you off waterfall,
- Aswell as zorbi cave ^
- Also cave with npc and an axe on table if I can remember rightly...
-New-ish cave near Sardon..

So this thread is basicly to ask why all these are being put ingame if they arn't going to be progressed?

fishing is in a future area most likely, the hints in the game are just giving hints of something that could be done in future quests as a reward, golden gate is not done or even really started as it would need to be completely redone basically from scratch, and as for the void, its not happening, its not my fault, i did everything i could, look to xor for that whole thing, ive already explained what happened and im not about to do it again.

Their were boat races on nimda island in the works, and even horse jousting.

that was offmap, that was from the old gmap, and that doesnt mean anything.

horse sparring was scrapped due to bugs with the horse system and something about stefan not changing something with horses, cant remember.

If Bin comes to this thread, imma bust his head in.

There's already a fishing shop. It's been accessible from the day deadwood was released. There used to be a unfinished fisherman npc in it that when you walk up to blinks for a split second on the screen. They removed him sometime earlier this year, meaning they still have some sort of plans for it.

I'm going to state what Rufus always said, why make new things, when there are old things they could use/improve upon.

Thanks for your thread. I'd like to add that several all of these are remnants of finished quests that have existed since the late 1990s and enjoyed by players for over a decade but that staff refuse to put up now... because it might make the server.... fun. Fun? Gasp! That is forbidden. Quick, make more hats and furniture!

Your move.

I wonder how to get a grand permission for the under water place.. Do you know how to? ._.

its not finished, trust me ive glitched back there, theres nothing

You have to drop 5000 gralats in the fountain, don't listen to Higbey he is trolling you.

It's almost as if these things are hinting at things to come...

You have to install iEra and pay 80$ for a BAR.
Then you will get a yellow piece of paper which looks like they didn't even paint it, just took a piss on it.

Yellow paper?

you forgot one:

-Voltaire's Mausoleum

couldnt stop laughing

Yeah, exactly sad thing is there is more of these hints/things placed about when really there not working on any from what I gather. As updates show also with the repetitiveness.

- Theres also NPC in york chopping tree,
- zorbi Place that throws you off waterfall,
- Aswell as zorbi cave ^
- Also cave with npc and an axe on table if I can remember rightly..

I think all these things should either be removed or pointing at lockdowns post 'why should we make new things when there are old things they could use/improve... <Yeah like all the stuff stated, it's more the question 'why put these here if you're not going to progress it anytime soon'

Maybe, Just maybe this isn't classic pc.

Only slightly related, but I found this interesting, and it is vaguely relevant: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...77&postcount=4

I have to quite agree with Stefan that classic is thought of as low quality. We have been waiting for months(maybe year+) for the claw game(which I could easly do,I've learned python basic which is quite aquivalint in programing with GS2) yet while on Europe 2 people fully programmed and scripted a running game of chance within 1 hour! Seriously...wtf is up with the staff of classic(this is not to all staff, but the dev part only). Wasting weeks/months worth of time on Halloween stuff that was only on classic for 5 or less days, and then they just got rid of it....

Bingo.

Go for it.

Then why add the stuff. Oh wait we already know...To keep there players, then moan about us moaning for updates even though they put it on themselves by adding these stuff without any effort to wanting to finish any of it.

Also if you say 'to show history of classic' revert back to your own message and also we don't want a history lesson, we want a storyline or quest or more guildactivities, new activities every few months nothing more nothing less.

It's also quite funny no staff or anyone for that matter have had a blatant rip at this thread and the one staff that posted brushed it aside...again.
Doesn't that in itself show that pretty much all agree with whats been said.
So will any of these be progressed? 'We've waited long enough, for all of these'

well face it classic isn't a quest game. Also gricey, iclassic putting a random gate somewhere is like putting a random tree or something like that.

I go back to my statement thay classic isn't a quest game.

Things like the golden gate and crane game being there but closed aren't to give players the false impression that staff are adding stuff, but to be immersive. It was the same deal with the archery. You're only complaining because it gives you a clue of what's to come and now you think it's taking too long, but if they were never added until they were completely finished you'd be safe in ignorance.

In fact the golden gate as far as I know was never intended to have content. It's there purely because it's part of Classic and it's wrong for it not to be there.

Fair list.
But things can't be done in the click of a finger.

It may not be a quest server (but they added a few...) but still if that's right we're back to the start of then why have they updating/putting things around on map that give the sense of a quest being released?

Also why are they adding stuff and not completing it?
There is alot here they could make a start on/complete.

And to Dusty's comment

Yeah, to be honested I'd much rather have none of it shown until it is completed, as it's only giving players hope of things to come, when in reality it isn't coming(or not coming for sometime) & probably not even started yet(any of it) as they have moved on and placed something somewhere else to make players think something else is coming again.

I like the way it's done, gives the sense of a growing/progressive world, rather than **** just randomly popping up with a news announcement.

Hmm suppose but by time the've actually made it it's like it's popped up out of nowhere anyway.

It makes the world more alive, it doesn't matter that players can't do anything. I remember when I first started playing run around trying to help the npcs and do what they said lol. It made it fun. Then I started learning more about it and gaining some level of maturity, and it got stupid and boring. :(
I guess Graal is a lot more fun if you approach every little detail with an open mind.

Not only that, but they are removing the few "quests" that did exist. Deadwood quest, which was pretty innovative with the spotlight maze, was removed.

Not really quests. More like holiday themed jobs.

Why improve/use old things when you've already done that over and over? The biggest new thing they've released was the Pyrat area. And it wasn't even that big of a job. All they've done since is move **** around, put a million news hats in, and added the Alignment System. The Alignment system wasn't even a decent addition. If you have 100 AP, and you accidentally hit someone, you're immediately back into getting hurt by everyone. And it's a stupid system. One hit brings you down a bit, and it takes you hours to regain those few AP. This is why I, and a lot of others, have lost hope in the iClassic server. The Devs suck (for the most part), the GPs don't know how to do their job properly, and the guys that release new stuff don't make new stuff. They recycle old admin hats and release heads and stuff that was taken off the server several months before.
That's why I'm relying on iDelteria. The team looks amazing, the game is what I've wanted out of a graal game since i started playing classic a year and a half ago, and the community will be amazing.

It's not wrong for it to be there, unless you're okay with false hope. They do stuff like that and people think "Maybe they'll do something with it :D" and they don't even give a "Naw, sorry guys, it's there for no reason, and we wasted time making it and not releasing new content instead ^_^." Most people aren't going to walk by it a year after it's put there and know that the admins just put it there randomly. You don't appease to the small crowd that knows that the Devs put random **** everywhere in a Game. You do stuff based on the majority so the game is good for the majority. And honestly, why make random ****, pretty it up, set it somewhere and give people false hope? Then you don't say anything? To have fun? If you want fun, then do the job you got yourself into. Don't waste time making this stupid stuff.

But things can be done in a couple of months ;) And they can't even complain about being backed up. They designed, made, and put those things where they are in iClassic. It's their own fault if they're backed up at all. Most of the things on that list have been there for a long enough time to have something done with them.

I'd rather **** popped up and gave me a pleasant surprise, than to get a ton of random things everywhere that'll never be finished. There are no real downsides to having **** popping up with a news announcement.... Nobody has a real problem with it on iEra. Lots of people have issues with how Classic's Devs do it though. With iEra's you wake up, go to work/school and go through the day, get home, do whatever you need to, and get on graal. Then all your friends are sitting there with their new items and stuff. Oh and there's a new building waiting for you. That's just about EVERY holiday. iClassic's you wake up, go to work/school and go through the day, get home, do whatever you need to, and get on graal. Then, all of your friends are discussing what could hopefully be a new quest, or maybe a new shop. Maybe a new area! Three months later, not even a single word from the admins about it. What happens for classic's holidays? Put some hats and **** in that one shop we use every time :3 It's sufficient enough. They aren't busy, they aren't committed, they aren't even backed up. All they are is lazy. They recycle hats, they put things in places so you'll stick around, and they move things around so they can say they actually did something.

At this point, Classic is just running on loyal players and social nuts. Half of those will be gone when Delteria comes out. Enjoy these last few weeks classic. Everything you're too lazy to deliver will be on iEra and iDelteria. Delteria having most of the content ;)

shut the **** up you clueless iDelterian fanboy

Thanks for your concern on what I say, but I'll speak what I want ^_^. And if I'm clueless, why don't you try and prove me wrong?

prove what wrong? i had access to "delteria beta" and it was nothing groundbreaking.

Lol. So, I'm clueless about what then? I can't be clueless without there being something you can prove me wrong about ^_^ And a beta is a beta. Even if it wasn't "groundbreaking" in (keyword) Beta mode, at least it's doing something (unlike classic). There are very few games I can say are groundbreaking. And an even smaller amount are for iOS. None of which are similar to a Graal game. I don't need to have played the game to know it'll be amazing. With a strong and innovative staff team, you can go a long way. Games like graal don't just come out and be the most amazing thing you've ever played. ESPECIALLY in Beta. I'm beginning to think you're the clueless one here.

Edit: Oops. Bit of a contradiction. They aren't the most amazing think you've ever played right after release. Which, in turn, means they have even less to offer in Beta. Besides, when did you have beta?

UC graal servers don't change much after they are released. don't try to argue with me newbie.

either way point of thread is still valid.

Why would anyone waste their time? It's obvious that you have some sort of vendetta against iClassic, or some bias towards the other servers. Any attempt to prove you wrong would end up with you responding with your skewed perception of the situation.

Things will come when they come. If you don't like it, you're free to go bask in the glory of iDelteria... oh wait, iDelteria isn't even out yet.

Yeah...you should just stop. You're just making yourself look less and less intelligent the more you go on. We all know iDelt is going to be good but iClassic is still good in its own way. The Easter egg hunt was fun and Rufus, along with the other devs, appear to have some pretty interesting things that they are working on. Also insulting iClassic's devs who are way more talented then you and saying they "suck" really isn't helping your case either.

I would like to just put this out when Crono said that the server was groundbreaking. I have nothing against you, but you are wrong it has tons of stuff to do maybe at the time you went on nothing was there, but if you and almost every other beta tester actually went on every week at least once you can see their progress and I can say as I am someone who had been on beta testing for a few times each week they are adding way more stuff. None of you beta testers wouldn't know because you didn't take the time to actually explore yet.

You lose

Crono's been playing and participation in graal forums for 10+ years. He knows his **** unlike someone like you. I'm pretty sure anyone who's played something for 10+ years know how the system works, unless they make something completely new and innovative.

Good point, yet wisdom isn't always wise. Look at US polititions.

Delteria is going to be very groundbreaking for iDevice. I have high hopes.

you dont walk into trees tho

Gnomes*

I have to disagree. Well, it's clear Crono knows his ****. However I disagree that you have to spend 10+ years playing a game, or that you even have to know how "the system works" before you can have input or knowledge of the game.

You don't need to play a game for 10 years to form an opinion on it. If people don't like iClassic that's fine. If people feel the game is crap that's okay too. It is bad by many standards in this day and age of gaming. But it's not being developed by a studio of 1000 with a multi-million dollar budget. It's not even being developed by the guy who makes the money.

But that's not an excuse. If a player sees fault in iClassic then you can't exactly say "well it's made by volunteers." That doesn't make the quality of the content better in their eyes. However people should realize you shouldn't insult the people who are making the content. They are trying their best, and they're doing so on their own time.

He's free to not like iClassic, he's even free to whine and bitch about it. But it won't get anything done and if he wants to have that opinion, then he opens himself up for the same treatment.

What are knomes?

Overall good job here.

Lmfao Idk mybad I wrote this agessss ago and can't edit with more + there is no point as all I/we would get is 'do it yourself' or 'it takes time'(still waiting-months&months after) or just loyal classic players rambling on who still are deluded/in delusion thinking there is massive hope for the server progressing very soon and to be continuously done, that I doubt will happen.

WHY IS THIS THREAD STILL ALIVE