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Khhgf 12-05-2012 05:54 PM

Trade System.
 
I'm sure I'm not the first one to bring this up, But I do believe this needs to be enforced. I'm not going to go into lots of detail, because honestly, lots of detail is not needed. Scamming on iEra is a big deal and something needs to be done about it. I talked to many of my friends on iClassic and they said the only reason they don't play iEra is because they have been scammed by people they thought they could trust. If the admins are already working on this, then forgive me for posting this. I just think a Trade System is important to the iEra community.

Ghettoicedtea 12-05-2012 06:08 PM

Not going to vote heres why.

Era needs scammin. Believe it or not era makes a **** ton from scammers. But a trading system where you couldsystem of trading non droppable items would be great

Ren 12-05-2012 06:43 PM

Solution: Don't trade.

Fellage 12-05-2012 07:03 PM

Never gonna happen.

G Fatal 12-05-2012 07:37 PM

Quote:

Posted by Fellage (Post 248272)
Never gonna happen.


poorface 12-05-2012 10:53 PM

Someone explained how this would be a horrible idea in the long run, but I forgot how; I just remember that it made tons of sense after the explanation

Billy 12-05-2012 11:07 PM

Quote:

Posted by Ren (Post 248261)
Solution: Don't trade.

Maybe we want to trade?

Ren 12-06-2012 08:20 AM

From snk: http://www.graalians.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9762

LavaClaw 12-06-2012 10:53 AM

Quote:

Posted by Khhgf (Post 248234)
I'm sure I'm not the first one to bring this up

no, you really aren't

Nezo 12-06-2012 10:56 AM

STOP THE DAMN TRADING SYSTEMS, It was asked like 100k times. And people can still scam with trading systems. Damn how many times must I say this

Khhgf 12-06-2012 11:35 AM

Quote:

Posted by Nezo (Post 248977)
STOP THE DAMN TRADING SYSTEMS, It was asked like 100k times. And people can still scam with trading systems. Damn how many times must I say this

You must preach it for the rest of your life.

lord greg 12-06-2012 05:58 PM

Quote:

Posted by poorface (Post 248432)
Someone explained how this would be a horrible idea in the long run, but I forgot how; I just remember that it made tons of sense after the explanation

Was that the thing about the ruined economy thing?

Anyway it's never gonna happen and never should. It would ruin iEra

Wolfy 12-06-2012 07:22 PM

3mil other threads have the same idea, no.

Mofujohn 12-06-2012 10:04 PM


MementoJoker 12-06-2012 10:08 PM

Tu dois etre nouveau ici

Talon 12-06-2012 10:12 PM

This thread is new and exciting!

eric 12-06-2012 11:14 PM

Pretty unique idea!
Why didnt someone else think of that.

Jester Lapse 12-07-2012 02:51 AM

Quote:

Posted by Street (Post 55463)
The issue around a no trade system in the game is not because we can't develop a trade system, or the GUI for a trade system... it is because the developers don't want a free economy where players can capitalize in certain assets, whether it's gun or money. In an open market, the demand of the guns are determined by the supply of the guns (supply is infinite in our current system). Prices are set by the developers in our current system. If we allowed trading of guns, in the long run the prices of guns would greatly decline way below the shop prices. Which implies no one will buy from the shops, which implies that the money is only circulated between the players.

This is an issue for any game industry. If money circulates only between players, and players are constantly making money via shells/gralat packs, pretty soon we would have TONS of money supply in the economy. There are a few issues associated with this. If players can buy the gun cheaper off another player, they would not buy from the shop. This means the money spent on the gun REMAINS in the economy. In our current system where the player is forced to buy from the shop, the money DISAPPEARS when it is spent on shop items. This results in reducing money supply, thus increasing demand for money. Increased demand for money means players buy gralat packs, which means revenue for game developers.

Basically, less guns being bought from shops = less revenue for game developers. How to prevent that? Not allowing trades. By not allowing trades, players are FORCED to buy their guns from the shops. Again, when they do this, money is taken out of the economy since it just goes to the game server (rather than to another player). When the player wants another gun, he can't simply sell his old gun to gain money and buy another gun, he has to get money buy either working (shells etC), or buying gralat packs.

Why not just limit the supply of guns? ie have a set amount of guns in the economy? You'll run into problems with item hoarding, and the difficulty for new players to obtain new items. Difficulty for new players to compete with the current players, will drive playercount down, which results in a decline of revenue for developers. If you ever have the chance to check out PC Graal Kingdoms, is is a GREAT example in a failed economy. That game's main currency is not even used as the primary currency. It is not a coincidence...over the past decade, PC Era has had numerous server resets (due to inflation) and an uncontrollable economy. Graal Kingdom suffers from an overly inflated economy and item hoarding (nearly impossible for new players to get their hands on decent items, which drives them to stop playing).

I have said it before in the past, and I'll say it again. To prevent scamming without worsening the current economy, there should be a trade system implemented only for items that are currently drop-able (not guns).


poorface 12-07-2012 03:11 AM

Yeah, I think jester just nailed it!

eric 12-07-2012 03:15 AM

I seriously dont care, graal is already ruined, make graal like the day it came out and make no updates

Ghettoicedtea 12-09-2012 01:34 AM

^ no gameplay changing updates that is (new guns melees etc)
Im going to have to slightly dissagree with jesters post.
Iera still could make a giant profit off trading systems for guns and non droppables if it was a IAP for 7$ players will want to buy a trade system, that way they don't get scammed. A bunch of people will want this, you could also make it like guns can be traded for items instead of currency. This would get around that system because no one is going to trade a bar for crap, like a lollipop. There going to trade it for tasers, umbrellas, souizens. Thigs people don't have much of.
Now, if it was currency, it should only be rare weapons that can be sold. People will set prices very very very high for items that cannot be obtained by shops exp souizen. People would sell the water pistols and waterguns for a ridculose price maybe 20k since its "limited edition". Thats what i notice on other games that allow players to do this trade system. I can see where it might lose money too, such as selling cheaper guns.

Storm Graal12 12-09-2012 01:40 AM

haha like mofu said,that's no gonna happen.

Infernus Lapse 12-09-2012 01:44 AM

I agree with what jester had from street, there should be a trade system for droppable items only.

Ghettoicedtea 12-09-2012 05:07 AM

Sigh, this will never happen.
As iceman said, "era needs scamming as america needs illegal immigrants".
Theres a reason why, why? Because kids will be butthurt about getting scammed and then will most likley go out and buy graalet packs to repurchase that item. But a trade ststem would be fabulous.


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