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Rexx 12-18-2012 06:23 AM

Just a thought for staff.
 
It's fairly evident this entire server was developed by only a few people considering the lack of content and substance. This server essentially consists of a main hub city full of portals to planets that have really boring and plain levels paired with the most simplistic gameplay I can imagine.

I keep hearing about more content and updates, when can we expect these?
Also would you mind touching up some of those levels? They are really boring, put your new Level admins to work.

I feel like this server was rushed just so it can be 'completed' in time for the holidays. I am self conflicted as to whether I want my $2 purchase justified or to just screw it altogether. I was kind of hoping iZone could get me back into Graal.

Storm Graal12 12-18-2012 06:29 AM

First people complaint Because izone wasn't released,then by the staff,then by the updates,you all are never pleased with it,i mean if it's not the staff are the updates,just deal with it and accept izone how it is,there will always be future improvements,so stop complaining.

Rexx 12-18-2012 07:32 AM

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Posted by Storm Graal12 (Post 260457)
First people complaint Because izone wasn't released,then by the staff,then by the updates,you all are never pleased with it,i mean if it's not the staff are the updates,just deal with it and accept izone how it is,there will always be future improvements,so stop complaining.

I've actually never complained about the release date. I would have had no problem with them taking more time.
Feel free to search my posts.

Trylios 12-18-2012 07:43 AM

No one said you did and expect updates next week.

Dylan 12-18-2012 07:47 AM

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Posted by Trylios (Post 260476)
No one said you did and expect updates next week.

Storm actually said we all complained.

Johnaudi 12-18-2012 03:10 PM

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Posted by Rexx (Post 260455)
It's fairly evident this entire server was developed by only a few people considering the lack of content and substance. This server essentially consists of a main hub city full of portals to planets that have really boring and plain levels paired with the most simplistic gameplay I can imagine.

I keep hearing about more content and updates, when can we expect these?
Also would you mind touching up some of those levels? They are really boring, put your new Level admins to work.

I feel like this server was rushed just so it can be 'completed' in time for the holidays. I am self conflicted as to whether I want my $2 purchase justified or to just screw it altogether. I was kind of hoping iZone could get me back into Graal.

I kinda agree with this guy.
Thumbs up.

Maxy 12-18-2012 03:46 PM

I think the app will release a lot of content, and so i'm going to give it some time before I go slagging it off. Its been 1 day since release, just have some patience, good content is created in a matter of seconds

BboyEatsbacon 12-18-2012 08:27 PM

"it was rushed"
It was ready almost a year ago?

Xavier 12-18-2012 08:35 PM

I agree that there isn't much content as of right now, but since most of the current staff team was hired quite recently, their work hasn't become evident quite yet. For now, what content we have is still pretty great.

Think about what Classic and Era were like at their releases. There was a lot less to do. iZone has quite a lot of potential.

Jester Lapse 12-19-2012 01:26 AM

So you guys would rather us have added everything on release? Personally when I walk onto a new server, I like to see how it grows and the development taking place. If we released with everything what would we have to offer as updates? Hats.

Infernus Lapse 12-19-2012 01:29 AM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 260963)
So you guys would rather us have added everything on release? Personally when I walk onto a new server, I like to see how it grows and the development taking place. If we released with everything what would we have to offer as updates? Hats.

Theres alot of things you need to fix that you never improved from pc, such as you said the hover bike contorls are the same as car, i cant see that. Smetimes i can decently control it, then itll just go flying into a wall. Also, mission rewards need to go UP as you level, not down. The only thing you should decrease is the xp gain from older missions. Also, stop sam from adding freeze to the guns pls :(

BEH0LD iTz SAM 12-19-2012 01:50 AM

Just practise, same thought for me at first but you get the hang of it, right sticks acceleration, left controls movement, you dont tap it tho you hold it and move ur finger

Infernus Lapse 12-19-2012 01:51 AM

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Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM (Post 260980)
Just practise, same thought for me at first but you get the hang of it, right sticks acceleration, left controls movement, you dont tap it tho you hold it and move ur finger

Yeah but still, dont add freeze, making it harder to kill players is NOT what zone needs. It needs more guns and maybe they can have freeze but do more damage. Again freeze is NOT a good thing to add at all. And im better than most players at the 360 degree shooting, ive practiced.

BEH0LD iTz SAM 12-19-2012 01:54 AM

It makes it easier -.- imo pking is hard since as i said you can run and shoot at the same speed now, i meant a small tweak so that your abit slower if you run and shoot a the same time

Infernus Lapse 12-19-2012 01:56 AM

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Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM (Post 260988)
It makes it easier -.- imo pking is hard since as i said you can run and shoot at the same speed now, i meant a small tweak so that your abit slower if you run and shoot a the same time

No its not, and no you cant run and shoot at the same time. Im not going to shoot my metallic rifle like a fricking p90 or uzi, it ruined the two guns for me, and itll ruin my experience. If you add freeze itd only help if you increased every gun's damage. Otherwise itll be era all over again. And running and shooting is what makes zone playable. Sitting and shooting will never be a good tactic with these gun options.

BEH0LD iTz SAM 12-19-2012 02:00 AM

*facepalms

If you can run and shoot at the same speed, and the guns have high damage, pretty much putting into perspective it means everyone will be running around with souizens

Infernus Lapse 12-19-2012 02:04 AM

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Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM (Post 260996)
*facepalms

If you can run and shoot at the same speed, and the guns have high damage, pretty much putting into perspective it means everyone will be running around with souizens

No it doesn't, it means its balanced. Think of it like this. If you give the freeze for running, you'll eventually screw up and justify doing the same thing with the ak on era. Then, the enranged rifle will be OP and you'll have another era. They wont be souizens, it'll be balanced then. If you sit and shoot faster, you'll die faster. That isn't efficient. You have to keep in mind you aren't just engineering the guns for PKing anymore, its for PvE too. Sitting and shooting is not good for PvE, otherwise you should nerf the mobs in missions, which you'd screw missions up, they already need more mobs to spawn in my opinion.

BEH0LD iTz SAM 12-19-2012 02:07 AM

No you dont get it, i dont want to change the speed you shoot, i want to change the speed you run while your shooting

Infernus Lapse 12-19-2012 02:20 AM

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Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM (Post 261007)
No you dont get it, i dont want to change the speed you shoot, i want to change the speed you run while your shooting

Oh thats fine then im actually cool with that. XD sorry for arguing i misunderstood yiu. Freeze on movement speed sure, just as long as you dont take away the ability to move while shooting completely.

Rexx 12-19-2012 02:56 AM

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Posted by BboyEatsbacon (Post 260703)
"it was rushed"
It was ready almost a year ago?

Then why so long for the release? It obviously wasn't ready..enlighten me.

I'd just like to know when we can expect updates that all the iZone staffs speak of.

Jester Lapse 12-19-2012 03:56 AM

While I cant exactly leak information I can provide a broad map of what we plan on doing

This week is all about taking care of bugs, tweaking things and going over feedback. Also adding small things that most players seem to be wanting.

We also plan to focus on adding more missions of variety so it is not always point A to point B type things as those WILL get old for the PvE fans.

We also want to expand other methods of play for the PvP fans and get some different modes out.

And because people keep asking me, I guess we could throw in another hat shop.

Bobby Ray B.o.B 12-19-2012 05:01 AM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 260963)
So you guys would rather us have added everything on release? Personally when I walk onto a new server, I like to see how it grows and the development taking place. If we released with everything what would we have to offer as updates? Hats.

Agreed, the server just fricking came out this month! How could you expect graal era to be when it first game out? I personally think zone is better then era by far already. No offense snk.

Rexx 12-19-2012 05:33 AM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 261131)
While I cant exactly leak information I can provide a broad map of what we plan on doing

This week is all about taking care of bugs, tweaking things and going over feedback. Also adding small things that most players seem to be wanting.

We also plan to focus on adding more missions of variety so it is not always point A to point B type things as those WILL get old for the PvE fans.

We also want to expand other methods of play for the PvP fans and get some different modes out.

And because people keep asking me, I guess we could throw in another hat shop.

thanks

Angel 12-19-2012 07:32 AM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 261131)
While I cant exactly leak information I can provide a broad map of what we plan on doing

This week is all about taking care of bugs, tweaking things and going over feedback. Also adding small things that most players seem to be wanting.

We also plan to focus on adding more missions of variety so it is not always point A to point B type things as those WILL get old for the PvE fans.

We also want to expand other methods of play for the PvP fans and get some different modes out.

And because people keep asking me, I guess we could throw in another hat shop.

HAH YES!

Johnaudi 12-19-2012 04:10 PM

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Posted by Bobby Ray B.o.B (Post 261187)
Agreed, the server just fricking came out this month! How could you expect graal era to be when it first game out? I personally think zone is better then era by far already. No offense snk.

Bored after 10min, don't think so.

jwd 12-19-2012 04:37 PM

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Posted by Rexx (Post 261076)
Then why so long for the release? It obviously wasn't ready..enlighten me.

I'd just like to know when we can expect updates that all the iZone staffs speak of.

I think there was a hiatus whilst other projects received focus.

By regular updates we mean our goal is a weekly update cycle.

cache 12-20-2012 12:52 AM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 260963)
So you guys would rather us have added everything on release? Personally when I walk onto a new server, I like to see how it grows and the development taking place. If we released with everything what would we have to offer as updates? Hats.

Why would you make all that stuff just to wait to release it? First impressions matter a lot in a video game in my opinion. You release the stuff, then make new?

Bobby Ray B.o.B 12-20-2012 12:55 AM

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Posted by Johnaudi (Post 261393)
Bored after 10min, don't think so.

dude i bet when graal era first game out it was boring 2! It just came out!

BEH0LD iTz SAM 12-20-2012 02:57 AM

You couldn't play era when it came out, lol. It had no pk zones or revives so for the first couple of days it was a challenge to get out of the hospital and past the 20 players spamming uzis at the doors, just to end up dying and going straight back there.

Most of you are judging zones current content to era or classics current content, forgetting we've only just been released, had zone say came out before era (era just being released) i think the wholse coversation would be reversed. Just stay with us and be patient and we'll slowly forge an experience you'll enjoy, this is only just the beginning with lots more instore still to come ;)

Bobby Ray B.o.B 12-20-2012 03:08 AM

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Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM (Post 261952)
You couldn't play era when it came out, lol. It had no pk zones or revives so for the first couple of days it was a challenge to get out of the hospital and past the 20 players spamming uzis at the doors, just to end up dying and going straight back there.

Most of you are judging zones current content to era or classics current content, forgetting we've only just been released, had zone say came out before era (era just being released) i think the wholse coversation would be reversed. Just stay with us and be patient and we'll slowly forge an experience you'll enjoy, this is only just the beginning with lots more instore still to come ;)

exactly

jwd 12-20-2012 04:05 PM

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Posted by cache (Post 261829)
Why would you make all that stuff just to wait to release it? First impressions matter a lot in a video game in my opinion. You release the stuff, then make new?

Actually, this is the wrong view to take. You see, we could have spent even more time adding and adding, assuming what players would want and enjoy. If you start smaller, it gives us more room to move in different directions, so we build up a game that players love.

Most of the time, Graal servers are made in an ambitious, make-something-huge effort. This ignores the benefit of the client-server nature of Graal, since this allows us to create a rapid update cycle.

This approach is used in tech. businesses, where something smaller is created and then is built towards what customers want.

To summarise, it's a different perspective to development, where we dream big but start small and realistic.

To give an example, now we have launched, we've been meticulously combing through all feedback sent in which we are using to structure our update schedule.

We have a lot in the pipeline, some of which I've mentioned and some of which we will be releasing very, very soon.

- A new hat shop launching today/tomorrow
- A Christmas gift for all Zone+ members
- Updates to Iricia
- Vehicles for flight
- Leaderboards
- Squad PvP

Johnaudi 12-20-2012 04:30 PM

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Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM (Post 261952)
You couldn't play era when it came out, lol. It had no pk zones or revives so for the first couple of days it was a challenge to get out of the hospital and past the 20 players spamming uzis at the doors, just to end up dying and going straight back there.

Most of you are judging zones current content to era or classics current content, forgetting we've only just been released, had zone say came out before era (era just being released) i think the wholse coversation would be reversed. Just stay with us and be patient and we'll slowly forge an experience you'll enjoy, this is only just the beginning with lots more instore still to come ;)

Maybe, but remember that it's being worked on for more than 4 years and were expecting better.

Jester Lapse 12-20-2012 04:58 PM

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Posted by Johnaudi (Post 262324)
Maybe, but remember that it's being worked on for more than 4 years and were expecting better.

No it wasn't? It was being worked on as being a port as an iEra mini game, lmao. Also remember Eurocenter has released other apps within those "4 years". To say iZone has been being worked on for 4 years is a joke. If that was the case, then why just last year, was it being planned iEra staff were going to staff for zone?

jwd 12-20-2012 05:22 PM

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Posted by Johnaudi (Post 262324)
Maybe, but remember that it's being worked on for more than 4 years and were expecting better.

As I've said, Zone's progress was halted when other projects required focus. It wasn't worked on for 4 solid years. This should be obvious.

slasher 12-20-2012 07:06 PM

It gets annoying having to chase someone with the 5k gun because they shoot at you while they run and there also faster since they have push back so impossible to catch up unless you stop shooting and keep running after them

V. 12-20-2012 07:40 PM

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Posted by slasher (Post 262388)
It gets annoying having to chase someone with the 5k gun because they shoot at you while they run and there also faster since they have push back so impossible to catch up unless you stop shooting and keep running after them

Let me translate.
It gets annoying when trying to chase someone with the 5000 Gralat gun as they run and shoot. They're also faster since they have push back (knock back?) so it's nearly impossible to catch up, unless you stop shooting and keep running to them.
That was hard.

BEH0LD iTz SAM 12-20-2012 11:52 PM

Yea i said somewhere i wanted to add some
Freeze so you run slower if your shooting while running

Paper Bag 12-21-2012 01:37 AM

Don't complain about the game just yet, wait until the noob apocalypse arrives!

Era News 12-21-2012 07:17 AM

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Posted by Bobby Ray B.o.B (Post 261187)
Agreed, the server just fricking came out this month! How could you expect graal era to be when it first game out? I personally think zone is better then era by far already. No offense snk.

Where u even there when era came out? It was much much better then zone is now.

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Posted by Bobby Ray B.o.B (Post 261832)

dude i bet when graal era first game out it was boring 2! It just came out!

Answered my question, if you weren't there when era came out shut up.

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Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM (Post 261952)
You couldn't play era when it came out, lol. It had no pk zones or revives so for the first couple of days it was a challenge to get out of the hospital and past the 20 players spamming uzis at the doors, just to end up dying and going straight back there.

Most of you are judging zones current content to era or classics current content, forgetting we've only just been released, had zone say came out before era (era just being released) i think the wholse coversation would be reversed. Just stay with us and be patient and we'll slowly forge an experience you'll enjoy, this is only just the beginning with lots more instore still to come ;)

Revive was there on the first day?

Talon 12-21-2012 07:46 AM

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Posted by Rexx (Post 260455)
It's fairly evident this entire server was developed by only a few people considering the lack of content and substance. This server essentially consists of a main hub city full of portals to planets that have really boring and plain levels paired with the most simplistic gameplay I can imagine.

I keep hearing about more content and updates, when can we expect these?
Also would you mind touching up some of those levels? They are really boring, put your new Level admins to work.

I feel like this server was rushed just so it can be 'completed' in time for the holidays. I am self conflicted as to whether I want my $2 purchase justified or to just screw it altogether. I was kind of hoping iZone could get me back into Graal.

Agree to the fullest extent, down to the last sentence.

ridergraal 12-21-2012 07:51 AM

zone was just released you can expect it to lack a few things but after a while updates will come out more and in about 3 months you can play graal on tunebox on airasia and surf the web :D

Dylan 12-21-2012 08:14 AM

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Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM (Post 261952)
You couldn't play era when it came out, lol. It had no pk zones or revives so for the first couple of days it was a challenge to get out of the hospital and past the 20 players spamming uzis at the doors, just to end up dying and going straight back there.

Most of you are judging zones current content to era or classics current content, forgetting we've only just been released, had zone say came out before era (era just being released) i think the wholse coversation would be reversed. Just stay with us and be patient and we'll slowly forge an experience you'll enjoy, this is only just the beginning with lots more instore still to come ;)

iEra was fun at release, now it's ****.

BEH0LD iTz SAM 12-21-2012 10:55 AM

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Posted by Era News (Post 262775)
Revive was there on the first day?

Nope

jwd 12-21-2012 11:29 AM

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Posted by Talon (Post 262779)
Agree to the fullest extent, down to the last sentence.

To address the second paragraph, we have already released a new hat shop, Showdown and we will be releasing more today.

You can expect something new at least once a week.

Imprint 12-21-2012 12:13 PM

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Posted by jwd (Post 262839)

To address the second paragraph, we have already released a new hat shop, Showdown and we will be releasing more today.

A hat shop?! Pinch me I must be dreaming!

Jester Lapse 12-21-2012 12:25 PM

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Posted by Imprint (Post 262856)
A hat shop?! Pinch me I must be dreaming!

*ignores the fact we released an event* "well, they do nothing."

Bobby Ray B.o.B 12-22-2012 05:52 AM

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Posted by Era News (Post 262775)
Where u even there when era came out? It was much much better then zone is now.



Answered my question, if you weren't there when era came out shut up.



Revive was there on the first day?

I highly doubt that zone is the best app ive downloaded in 2 years

Ozzy_Magus 12-22-2012 07:49 AM

The only thing I'd beg the iZone staff for is;
PLEASE remake the "iron mask" and "heartcap" hat, I really don't like to say this, nor have I ever said this to an released hat, but they look ugly. Really, they look like they have been made in 5 mins. The heartcap is small, looks weird. The iron mask is small, has NO details.
-sorry

Jester Lapse 12-22-2012 08:16 AM

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Posted by Ozzy_Magus (Post 263394)
The only thing I'd beg the iZone staff for is;
PLEASE remake the "iron mask" and "heartcap" hat, I really don't like to say this, nor have I ever said this to an released hat, but they look ugly. Really, they look like they have been made in 5 mins. The heartcap is small, looks weird. The iron mask is small, has NO details.
-sorry

check the updates to em :)

Ozzy_Magus 12-22-2012 09:17 AM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 263409)
check the updates to em :)

Thanks @iron mask.
And also you redid the heartcap size.
Ty jester<3


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