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V. 01-13-2013 04:12 PM

Un-neccessary jail time
 
Yes there is a need for this thread, yes I have emailed snk. Yes I have used feedback. Feedback doesn't work in jail. If you have nothing helpful to say, don't say it.
So, yesterday my brother was USDing on his account. He gets himself jailed. Now, I was out the whole day, so I couldn't have been playing on my iTouch. The staff member who jailed my brother jailed the IP. Now me and my two sisters can't play Era for another 165 hours. We did nothing wrong - we also shouldn't have to suffer because of my brothers actions.
My device ID is Graal817290. Please un-jail me.


This thread can be locked after a staff member sees it, if they do, that is.

fsh 01-13-2013 04:21 PM

lol

Engel 01-13-2013 04:48 PM

This is unfair, he should be unjailed :)

Kyle Kol 01-13-2013 05:02 PM

See, I don't understand these IP jails... I have a brother who (just as a scenario) can get us both IP jailed because of a stupid act, like you brought up. It's ridiculous how there's no real solution to any of these problems, if you jail the account they use a second account, if you IP jail then sibling are bashed for no reason.

fsh 01-13-2013 05:05 PM

even if he did it or not an 100 hour jail is comeplete bullshˇt

Kyle Kol 01-13-2013 05:14 PM

Wait the same thing happened to you Fsh, didn't it? IP jail. Did it turn ot to be one of your bro's or just a random jail?

fsh 01-13-2013 05:19 PM

random jail ._. stormfire said I was blocking start

RedBoy786* 01-13-2013 05:45 PM

blocking start?

Olirus 01-13-2013 06:40 PM

You see we have given out warnings saying if they do somthing on your account it's still your fault for letting them on it, and also we have no proof it was your brother or if you even have a brother so your going to have to wait, sorry

fsh 01-13-2013 06:42 PM

you know what? I've been jailed 12 times (hehe) and I have not recived 1 warning of any of them. not even a pm from staff. so whats up?

V. 01-13-2013 06:57 PM

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Posted by Olirus (Post 278544)
You see we have given out warnings saying if they do somthing on your account it's still your fault for letting them on it, and also we have no proof it was your brother or if you even have a brother so your going to have to wait, sorry

Re-read my post. He did it on HIS account. If I really do have a brother, which I do, that can be proved with the IP! Also, I didn't get a single warning. Thanks alot, Era staff, You're REAL helpful.

Shock 01-13-2013 07:17 PM

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Posted by V. (Post 278559)
Re-read my post. He did it on HIS account. If I really do have a brother, which I do, that can be proved with the IP! Also, I didn't get a single warning. Thanks alot, Era staff, You're REAL helpful.

I know you're irritated, but calm down. I deduce that the IP jailing is what they've always done. I guess what needs to be done is account jailing, instead of blocking a whole computer via IP.

lord greg 01-13-2013 07:18 PM

A lot of the time no warnings are given... It's pretty stupid.

Vyruss 01-13-2013 07:21 PM

Quote:

Posted by Olirus (Post 278544)
You see we have given out warnings saying if they do somthing on your account it's still your fault for letting them on it, and also we have no proof it was your brother or if you even have a brother so your going to have to wait, sorry

He said they weren't sharing accounts. Their IPs match because their ranges are similar (likely because they reside in the same household) but not their accounts. Thus there is no reason he should be jailed for what his brother did.

Era News 01-13-2013 07:29 PM

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Posted by Vyruss (Post 278576)

He said they weren't sharing accounts. Their IPs match because their ranges are similar (likely because they reside in the same household) but not their accounts. Thus there is no reason he should be jailed for what his brother did.

Yes it does bahaha

V. 01-13-2013 07:39 PM

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Posted by Shock (Post 278572)
I know you're irritated, but calm down. I deduce that the IP jailing is what they've always done. I guess what needs to be done is account jailing, instead of blocking a whole computer via IP.

I think they used to just account jail. But now, since we've got the identify system, they abolished that since you could just log out of your email.

Sir 01-13-2013 07:51 PM

Maybe their sister banned you.

V. 01-13-2013 08:24 PM

Quote:

Posted by V. (Post 278476)
If you have nothing helpful to say, don't say it.


Olirus 01-13-2013 09:26 PM

Yeh I didn't read it properly, so you got a ip jail do your whole family was jailed? I'll talk to snk about it

iHot 01-13-2013 09:30 PM

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Posted by Olirus (Post 278645)
Yeh I didn't read it properly, so you got a ip jail do your whole family was jailed? I'll talk to snk about it

Lol idk.

SnakeRekon 01-13-2013 10:23 PM

Just so you know, our jail system automatically jails those on the same network so they can't use a second account to avoid jail time.

Ghettoicedtea 01-13-2013 10:56 PM

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Posted by SnakeRekon (Post 278680)
Just so you know, our jail system automatically jails those on the same network so they can't use a second account to avoid jail time.

Dats dumb

Talon 01-13-2013 11:10 PM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 278702)
Dats dumb

Not really.

Vyruss 01-13-2013 11:12 PM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 278702)
Dats dumb

Not a bad system. It just backfires when the banned person has siblings. Unfortunately I cannot think of another solution, since UDIDs aren't used. I will say that it isn't fair to those siblings who haven't done anything wrong though.

SnakeRekon 01-14-2013 12:28 AM

Well, the jailing is fair imo, the duration seems excessive
However I would certainly look into getting yours reduced considerably and beat the living crap out of your siblings ^-^

Seems Snk served the time out, we'll have to see about getting you to the exception of this jail, i'd unjail but you'd get rejailed upon sign in I believe.

DragonRider 01-14-2013 12:32 AM

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Posted by Vyruss (Post 278713)
Not a bad system. It just backfires when the banned person has siblings. Unfortunately I cannot think of another solution, since UDIDs aren't used. I will say that it isn't fair to those siblings who haven't done anything wrong though.

Why not ban the email?

SnakeRekon 01-14-2013 12:39 AM

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Posted by DragonRider (Post 278778)
Why not ban the email?

We don't ban any longer.

Era News 01-14-2013 01:11 AM

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Posted by SnakeRekon (Post 278780)

We don't ban any longer.

Lulwut that's bs

romario786 01-14-2013 06:46 AM

I bet storm fire is behind this and it is very unfair.. The same thing happened to me few weeks ago which was unfair and snk unjailed me.

Sabur 01-14-2013 07:59 AM

use vpn(virtual private network) so you can change your ip and play.

HomoPanda 01-14-2013 08:04 AM

Man up, stop crying.
A couple of days without graal is not going to kill you.

romario786 01-14-2013 08:06 AM

160 hours not a couple of days for him... Read his post carefully

SnakeRekon 01-14-2013 11:05 AM

Quote:

Posted by Era News (Post 278827)
Lulwut that's bs

Not really, we decided being jailed was actually worse than being banned, so rather than having two systems, we just have one.

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Posted by HomoPanda (Post 279108)
Man up, stop crying.
A couple of days without graal is not going to kill you.

I'd understand if it was 160 hours being banned, he wouldn't have to sign in. However since he physically has to leave his device on for 13 days, it is rather not nice.

JakeRage 01-14-2013 01:41 PM

Email [email protected] or whatever era's email is. My whole school go banned like this. 40+ people banned because my school has ipads. :P

V. 01-14-2013 04:48 PM

Quote:

Posted by SnakeRekon (Post 278773)
Well, the jailing is fair imo, the duration seems excessive
However I would certainly look into getting yours reduced considerably and beat the living crap out of your siblings ^-^

Seems Snk served the time out, we'll have to see about getting you to the exception of this jail, i'd unjail but you'd get rejailed upon sign in I believe.

I'd appreciate if I were free - and not have to stay in the one level, without talking to anyone, without moving, for another 165 hours. Heck I can't even view the news.

Era News 01-14-2013 06:59 PM

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Posted by SnakeRekon (Post 279134)

Not really, we decided being jailed was actually worse than being banned, so rather than having two systems, we just have one.

Exactly it's going to destroy battery life now.

lord greg 01-14-2013 07:05 PM

Quote:

Posted by SnakeRekon (Post 279134)
Not really, we decided being jailed was actually worse than being banned, so rather than having two systems, we just have one.

I'd understand if it was 160 hours being banned, he wouldn't have to sign in. However since he physically has to leave his device on for 13 days, it is rather not nice.

Really? I always thought banning was more effective. So are people jailed for the same amount of time that they would have been banned?

SnakeRekon 01-14-2013 08:29 PM

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Posted by lord greg (Post 279277)
Really? I always thought banning was more effective. So are people jailed for the same amount of time that they would have been banned?

In regards to the first part; banning has never really been all that effective, people can just get banned, leave the game for awhile, come back as if nothing happened, it's barely a punishment.
Jailing on the other hand, you physically have to suffer through the jailing, making it a little more of a threat to people to ensure they will follow the guidelines and rules on the server more thoroughly.

We don't jail them for the same period of time, far from it infact. Most of our jailings are done on an automatic basis (via our warning system) so after three warnings, you end up going to jail for a set time depending on the warnings. (Hacking is an automatic jail, regardless of number of warnings).
We also jail manually for things like abusing invincibility to block doors, hacking of a major degree, real money trading (This is a biggy).


Think the most i've jailed someone for personally was 50000 minutes, this was meant to remove them from the game however as they were continuously stealing accounts over a long period of time and had no intention of stopping (I'm sure most of you have heard of the Edo guy?).

Ozzy Magus 01-15-2013 02:42 PM

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Posted by SnakeRekon (Post 279317)
In regards to the first part; banning has never really been all that effective, people can just get banned, leave the game for awhile, come back as if nothing happened, it's barely a punishment.
Jailing on the other hand, you physically have to suffer through the jailing, making it a little more of a threat to people to ensure they will follow the guidelines and rules on the server more thoroughly.

We don't jail them for the same period of time, far from it infact. Most of our jailings are done on an automatic basis (via our warning system) so after three warnings, you end up going to jail for a set time depending on the warnings. (Hacking is an automatic jail, regardless of number of warnings).
We also jail manually for things like abusing invincibility to block doors, hacking of a major degree, real money trading (This is a biggy).


Think the most i've jailed someone for personally was 50000 minutes, this was meant to remove them from the game however as they were continuously stealing accounts over a long period of time and had no intention of stopping (I'm sure most of you have heard of the Edo guy?).

Nice, they finally get what they deserve.
Now do me a favor and tell me or at least explain me why duke has boosted so many times (everyone knows), has stolen accoounts and gets to keep all his stats, including his 380k pk's which are from like Idk how many accounts.
You guys have a system on how to punish people, however there are some exceptions, like duke who does what he wants, doesn't get jailed/reset/banned for ***.
Y'know I quit era cuz of that feg having 30k-2k spars, boosted like a f*****, has 380k pk's from like 5 accounts, and he still hasn't been reset. Unforgivable to me.(not your fault).
Just wanted to remind you guys that if you have rules, they have to applicate to everyone, even those f*** who suck the staff's ****.

iChronic 01-15-2013 03:27 PM

totally out of topic...but does anyone know how to reset spar ratio? i ****ed mine big time and i heard that there is an npc that gives you an option to reset spar...anyone know where i can find this npc?

lord greg 01-15-2013 05:37 PM

Quote:

Posted by SnakeRekon (Post 279317)
In regards to the first part; banning has never really been all that effective, people can just get banned, leave the game for awhile, come back as if nothing happened, it's barely a punishment.
Jailing on the other hand, you physically have to suffer through the jailing, making it a little more of a threat to people to ensure they will follow the guidelines and rules on the server more thoroughly.

We don't jail them for the same period of time, far from it infact. Most of our jailings are done on an automatic basis (via our warning system) so after three warnings, you end up going to jail for a set time depending on the warnings. (Hacking is an automatic jail, regardless of number of warnings).
We also jail manually for things like abusing invincibility to block doors, hacking of a major degree, real money trading (This is a biggy).


Think the most i've jailed someone for personally was 50000 minutes, this was meant to remove them from the game however as they were continuously stealing accounts over a long period of time and had no intention of stopping (I'm sure most of you have heard of the Edo guy?).

When you put it like that it does sound more effective.

V. 01-15-2013 05:50 PM

Not meaning to sound impatient or rude, but am I getting un-jailed?
Just so I know whether or not to move to Classic.
Ah, Classic. Era's methadone.

Oh and I can't read the news updates, can someone share them here?

Era News 01-15-2013 07:04 PM

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Posted by iChronic (Post 279842)
totally out of topic...but does anyone know how to reset spar ratio? i ****ed mine big time and i heard that there is an npc that gives you an option to reset spar...anyone know where i can find this npc?

It's snake reckons wife/sister in spar complex, btw snake I ****ed her.

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Posted by V. (Post 279880)
Not meaning to sound impatient or rude, but am I getting un-jailed?
Just so I know whether or not to move to Classic.
Ah, Classic. Era's methadone.

Oh and I can't read the news updates, can someone share them here?

Yeah sure,

Friday, jan 11

Hey VIP players help us test the new inventory folders- go to your profile and go to item menu and tap on "manage folders". Once you've created a folder head to the item description and tap on the folder options to add or remove them!

Saturday jan 12

VIP players get some neat looking bongo drums. sucks4u

Sunday jan 13

An advertisement for zones FB page, there gonna need more then that to increase their player count.

Also on that day it said "Admin preview! When do you think we should remove the snow?"
And the picture is some admin getting raped or something.

Your welcome if you want me to go back even further I will

Graal943 01-15-2013 07:05 PM

Quote:

Posted by V. (Post 279880)
Not meaning to sound impatient or rude, but am I getting un-jailed?
Just so I know whether or not to move to Classic.
Ah, Classic. Era's methadone.

Oh and I can't read the news updates, can someone share them here?

When in the game, click on yourself, when your profile opens click edit, click on identify, click the bottom button that says feedback, click back and the main menu will open, you can then view the news.

Ghettoicedtea 01-15-2013 08:03 PM

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Posted by Graal943 (Post 279924)
When in the game, click on yourself, when your profile opens click edit, click on identify, click the bottom button that says feedback, click back and the main menu will open, you can then view the news.

*facepalm* what do you not get by you cant use feedback in jail

SnakeRekon 01-15-2013 08:17 PM

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Posted by Ozzy Magus (Post 279837)
Nice, they finally get what they deserve.
Now do me a favor and tell me or at least explain me why duke has boosted so many times (everyone knows), has stolen accoounts and gets to keep all his stats, including his 380k pk's which are from like Idk how many accounts.
You guys have a system on how to punish people, however there are some exceptions, like duke who does what he wants, doesn't get jailed/reset/banned for ***.
Y'know I quit era cuz of that feg having 30k-2k spars, boosted like a f*****, has 380k pk's from like 5 accounts, and he still hasn't been reset. Unforgivable to me.(not your fault).
Just wanted to remind you guys that if you have rules, they have to applicate to everyone, even those f*** who suck the staff's ****.

In regards to Duke, he did get reset - though I believe it was found that several of his friends gave him accounts rather than them actually being stolen from other players.
I don't know if we have rules on boosting, i've not seen anything specific.

Quote:

Posted by V. (Post 279880)
Not meaning to sound impatient or rude, but am I getting un-jailed?
Just so I know whether or not to move to Classic.
Ah, Classic. Era's methadone.

Oh and I can't read the news updates, can someone share them here?

I've not seen Snk to ask - I could unjail you but you'd have to use a different IP Address

Ghettoicedtea 01-15-2013 08:22 PM

3G ftw

Graal943 01-15-2013 08:54 PM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 279952)
*facepalm* what do you not get by you cant use feedback in jail

Listen here, I currently have an account jailed on Era, I know what I'm talking about. Unless you can prove that you can't get to the main menu to view the news by how I explained it then you can say something about it. Yes you can not feedback anything as it will give you the message "You can not use feedback while in Jail." But what he was wanting to do is view the news.

Yephenpeace 01-15-2013 09:26 PM

As a fan forum, this is not the place to talk about in-game conflicts such as this. I understand your concerns, but this is not the proper way to handle the situation. Contact [email protected] or message a staff member if you need assistance.

Thank-you for understanding!

snk 01-16-2013 05:18 PM

Graal817290 has been jailed for 30 minutes. Reason: Usding- Bother did this.

Your device will be unjailed in 30 minutes. We have an IP Jail - you should really be annoyed at your brother, not the staff.


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