I argue with people about this all the time. I'm completely against the idea and I have a couple of reasons to back this up. This is NOT ment to offend anyone, and if you think otherwise please feel free to argue and ill do my best to show you the other side. Who knows, you might even change mine.

Ok so listen up, your 12 and have 2 dads, it's your first day of high school and your dads walk up with you. Everything is fine it's going well your making friends, until they see your dads. They'll consistently pick on this kid through high school: believe me, I've seen it happened to a boy in my class through high school, he was beaten up and teased for having two dads.

Now another reason, the whole point of a marriage is to unite two people of opposite sex. OPPOSITE not SAME.

Another reason, it's a pain in the but.

Last reason, once gays get there ways do you really think they'll just stop at that? Then they'll want same sex pregnancy to be legalised.

Good luck to you all, keep in mind I am a good arguer, no swearing or cussing aloud to prove your point please :) that's the only rule.

You need a mom and a dad. Not two moms, not two dads.

Exactly, you need a balance.

If this is a success I might to these more often...

Same sex marriage is fine. Marriage is a legal bond between two people. I personally don't see the issue of allowing people to marry. The only thing I can think about that might effect my country is taxes. I heard from someone a while back that married people in general are considered "one" financially and get breaks. With gay marriage legalized, those tax breaks would be huge, deminishing a large number of dollars coming in from taking single people. I don't care about the perks of marriage, nor do I hold a negative outlook.

Now morally, I am against the concept. However, living in one of many free societies on this planet, I can't think of one reason why I'd be "against" it. Marriage should be available to all people, same sex or not. It's discriminating to try and stop people. I can't stand some of these politicians who don't get the idea of a separation of church and state.

For the good of the state these politicians should realize that in a free society, anyone can choose athiesm and should have the right to. Do I like it? No. Am I going to ban atheism from law? No. Same sex marriage is on the same level. It's not a religious topic, yet all these people make it one. Marriage should be offered to all people, not just people of "religiously correct" orientations. It's a legal bond that people use to express their love for each other. Who are you or I to tell anyone who to love?

The issue of having two same sex parents is also ridiculous. It's a matter of "different" that mainstream people have a problem with. Yes, children coming from these households have a strong possibility of being bullied. It's something young people (and people who raise people) just can understand or cope with. It's the same type of issue with old school nerds and misfits in general. Now days they are being assimilated into the norm. I believe people with same sex parents will also be assimilated, but as messed up as it is, society will still be cruel.

So, I believe same sex households are fine too. It's society that has the problem. Kids will pick on kids and treat them like crap just for being different in any way. Sadly, that's grade school. Do I agree with it? No, not at all.

O ok so you are totally fine with giving away billions of dollars to your already failing country (America) to have these people united?

If it was that they only wanted to stop at same sex marriages (which I know for a fact they won't) then maybe it will be fine. I'm completely against 2 dads/mums because its unfair for the child, extremely unfair. And marriage is religion? Lol? It was started by religion and shouldn't be changed to your so called "State". and why do these people want a piece of paper saying they've been united (marriage certificate) anyway? You see that's the thing, they don't want just that.

And the thing that gets me is they protest so much when there is much more important things going on in the world, they should just get over it.

Okay so
First of all, I don't see how this is a valid argument at all. This is called bullying, under the category of aggressive homophobic behavior. If someone is suffering like this, they should be helped, not pitied. Same as someone being bullied for being a minority race, a nerd, or any other reason. Should they stop being something they can't help being, just because it gets them picked on?

Things like this are happening because people aren't open minded to gays yet. It's the same situation as in the mid 1900s, when the first African American teens started attending all-white schools. People picked on them. They didn't understand. They weren't comfortable. They believed they were raised as children too differently from how they were. They thought these things, yet didn't believe they were racist. Do you think people should be secluded, or turned away because they fall under one category?

When people get married, it's because they love each other. It's not because one is a girl, and one is a boy. I don't understand the idea of 'men and women balance each other out' either, because that completely depends on the personality of the individuals. It's the qualities of the person that balance the other out.

lazy reason

This is already going on. I don't see a problem with it; if you're with the love of your life, and both of you want to build a family together, who's to say you can't? As for your concerns on how the child is raised, I addressed that among your concerns above.

But unlike race, this can be helped! People don't get that, this bullying problem with go up if we allow it! It makes kids feel like crap, they don't want to go to school and they want to end their lives! Dude if this is allowed it would make the world much more bullied. And you think that a kid will go and tell a teacher, it's embarrassing enough but with this reason! No way dude no way! And they can't just go and say to there dads "Im getting bullied because you two are gay and decided to adopt me" they can't!

You cannot possibly be comparing this to race dude, it's two different things, unless you want to call homosexuals a different race.

And your obviously not thinking of the child when you say "Yeah build a family together" it's just wrong dude. And as for balancing it out I liked to talked to my mum about different things to I talked to my dad about, if I couldn't do that I would probally be lost. You need a boy role model and a girl role model!

No, marriage is very much a religous institution.

so you said, when there are bullies and theyre bullied people (lets take 'x' for the bullies and 'y' for the bullied people) if there is x, you would take y so there is no bullied kid anymore, but there is still the bully. if you take x away, there are the bullied kids, wich aren't bullied anymore and no more bullies. So homosexual mariage should be allowed.

sorry for my bad language i really suck at english

Did you seriously say you can change your sexual orientation. You're severely delusional, as there is literally zero debate that sexual orientation is genetic. Its been proven scientifically countless times. What you are saying is nonsense, and these people should have the ability to be who they are regardless of what society thinks of them. Your only point you are getting at is purely psychological and cultural standards, you keep saying that it is embarrassing to have gay parents and this may effect the mind of their child, how is that any different from being embarrassed to be black in an integrated school back in the 1950s? Because this time the child is being adopted?

Nonsense, millions of heterosexual parents adopt children as well. That has no grounds, and again, your only coherent point is that people may get embarrassed. If anything, your point swings towards being in favor of supporting gay marriage. We must break free of this prejudice because its a prejudice. Its exactly like racism in every single way, you have no points and your grammar is horrid.

I can't believe you said you were a good debater, you are a homophobe and you're full of yourself.

This made absolutely no sense.

Both race and orientation are categorization. Labels. People are treated differently depending what they're labeled as.

You act as though female + male marriages are the only way to have a perfect marriage. Let me throw some facts at you.

1.Number of U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan and Iraq: 6,614

2. Number of women, in the same period, killed as the result of domestic violence in the US: 11,766

3. Estimated number of children, worldwide, exposed to domestic violence everyday: 10,000,000

4. Number of women in the U.S. who report intimate partner violence: 1 in 4

Let's see.. That would mean approximately 35,842,085 women (edit: in the US) have reported their husband for beating her at least once before. How many more problems do you you think that causes for the children? Depression, a broken self esteem, and possibly getting beaten by the abusive parent as well. Things that usually lead to bullying at school, thus starting the cycle of mocking and self hate. How many of those do you think are adopted? Is it fair to them?

115,064 -- Number of same-sex couple households in the U.S. with children, according to the U.S. census.

And you think same sex marriage is the definitely the biggest issue here? Also, the facts are hyperlinked if you'd like to see where they came from. The sites where they came from may also have source links.

So every child that grew up with a single mother, or a single father, had a completely screwed up childhood? Children of gay parents definitely have things they can only talk about to one parent vs the other. Whether or not the parent is a woman or man won't matter. Also, the child will meet plenty of other role models in their lives; it's not as though they completely rely on their parents to learn the ways of the world.

I'm not even going to try and participate in this arguement seeing as nobody seems to have any valid reasoning besides what they have blindly accepted and think is their own belief.

i to do not agree with gays tbh in fact hate it! there i a reason why we have a ***** and a vigina ( to continue the population and the world) not if we where all to go gay the world will die because lack of sex. (all i am saying is gays could kill the world, yes they might be nice people but still lets be honest here)

My official last statement on this thread :

So from what I'm hearing from you people is just because a person decides that gay marriage is right, it instantly is justifiable? Humans apparently have the right to create their own morals? That means that since terrorists believe that killing others for their God is right that we shouldn't mind it. So is there really any 'right' or 'wrong'?

This is sopoesed to be a friendly debate, don't offend people for there views.

This can be applied to anything, but won't provide any answers or possible solutions.

And stop bringing up the 1950 it has absolutely nothing to do with this, race is something you can't change having gay parents is. And Pimpsy I'm not saying change your sexual orientation AT ALL I'm simply saying gay people shouldn't get married because it promotes adoptions.

Exactly the whole point of sex is to reproduce and gay people can't even do that so what's the point of getting married.

Forget my last statement :

The solution is we don't have to accept something just because somebody thinks they have the right to decide what's the new normal. We still need to respect homosexual people as fellow human beings and stop this prejudice, but allowing them marriage just to show we aren't prejudice isn't a good solution. An example :

You want to know why we had a complete stranger, who was barely even qualified to be president, become our elected leader? We wanted to put our countries rascist past behind us. Not even considering the fact that Obama seemed to have appeared out of nowhere.

People being united and dollars being used isn't new to history. It's how the child is treated that's the problem. Not the parents that are involved. Latte explained it better.

Marriage was changeable legally when it was passed from religion to law. Since it's a law(no longer just religion), it can be changed. People want a peice of paper because they can. It's the freedom to do whatever you like within the law. Since marriage is a legal status and the orientation is up to religion to define, there should be no orientation to meet.

Based on religion. When the law comes into play, it's a legal status.

Why do you think people abuse Vegas so much?

It's religion and it will always be religion...

Gay sex is wrong gay love is false.

Agreed

That's a bad example. It's a stretch to say "we wanted to put the countries racist past behind us." It depends on the number of voters and their political grouping (which I find to be complete bs and slightly racist in itself).

It's about human morality. If you allow yourself to go against the idea, "separation of church and state," you open up all kind of religious reasonings to rationalize yourself. Like George W. Bush: paraphrase: "God wanted me to be president." Marriage is religious and legal. The personal beliefs you hold should not influence your capacity to judge laws as applicable and just. If marriage is a binding agreement, any two people should be able to do it.

+1 I think this argument is coming to an end.

Tell that to the IRS after you tie the knot. :)

Ok? Lol? It's always been religion the only proper way of uniting two people is through religion?

I agree about the morals, but love is love. Also, it doesn't make people lower citizens. Everyone has rights and love should be expressed with legal papers saying they are one entity. Just for fk sake.

Keyword: Proper.
I don't hear you whining about Las Vegas, when that's completely legal.

Las vagas isn't even a proper marriage lol.

Thank you. That was my point. IT'S COMPLETELY 100% Legal.

What the hell are you on about, please explain more thoroughly :0

Who gives a crap how other people want to live/be happy? Let people live their lives how they want, no one is god, no one can say what is right and what is wrong.

I don't mind gay people, in fact they are a blessing. Why? Because more girls for me. Also, why would you want to date or marry someone that doesn't even love you but is forced to because of laws? Why be with someone who would rather be with someone else, especially when it is the same sex as themselves?

As long as a gay person doesn't try and get with me, I am fine. People will do what they want to be happy. Also, it is scientifically proven that being a homosexual may very well be in the genes @ whoever was comparing it to race saying race cannot be changed.

I cannot tell if you're joking.

Religious Marriage is not equal to Legal Marriage.
Whatever way you want to express your religious ideals shouldn't be and usually isn't any concern of the governments. I see marriage the same way, it's not just a wedding. It's a legal status and when something is put into law, it's unjust to add what to state (aka government)? Church.
Separation of church and state is important.

I don't care about legal marriage, but I don't support it. As long as it doesn't affect me, I'm fine. However I'm against adoption as this will only make the child have a hard life through primary school to maybe high school or even college.

I completely support same sex marriage. My older sister's relationship with her girlfriend is exactly the same as male/female relationships I've seen. The only difference is that it's female/female. We also have a family friend (or did, they moved back to America) who were in a same sex partnership, and had three children, who were all completely normal and healthy. None ever got bullied or anything like that. Like I said, they were all normal kids (and also very nice people but that doesn't really have anything to do with it).

In some communities, sure, they might get bullied. But eventually, it'd just become normal, and I like to think that people are nice enough to know that it's wrong to bully kids because of their parents, despite religion, and do their best to put a stop to it.

I think most people ignore the fact that people in these relationships actually love eachother, like male/female relationships, and want to be together, again like male/female relationships. They don't need the legal piece of paper to be together, but it's a cultural norm. Most still want that piece of paper legally tying themselves together, and being able to say "this is my wife!" or husband, or whatever.


Just my opinion. It comes from being family friends with a same-sex couple and their children, being told a lot about it by my sister, who is currently in a same-sex relationship, and just what I think is right.

Yes let them live their lives but don't let them get married and adopt children, because when this happens their not only just affecting their lives. Their affecting the child's as well.

Yeah ok, sure they didn't get bullied. As I said, why would you want to tell anyone about you getting bullied because your parents aren't the same as everyone else's.

Where do you live? Lol, all the Gay people in my area have many friends. Mostly girls, but even still.

Lol? Are you kidding gays get teased ALL the time. Even in the media gays get teased, what the hell are you on about. Unless you live in heaven I can garuntee that's not true.

If you mean how people use "you're gay" as a term for insulting someone, ignorant people do that as a term for stupid because they are foolish. People will get teased no matter what, everyone goes through it.

finished my post yup

Well it also depends on the country you're in. No gay marriage in the Middle East, if it gets legalized you'll still get bad looks by people and you're children will be in big danger, js.
In some parts of Murica it's also not very safe, but there are countries where it's completely safe. (Scandinavia)

Don't entirely understand this, but I spent a lot of time with them at school and was friends with them, and I never saw any "negative attitude" towards them at all. Obviously I don't know for sure though. Also, it isn't like they went saying "MY PARENTS ARE BOTH WOMEN". Kids don't usually go on about their parents all the time, and they were a normal family, like I said. Their friends new, but they were friends, who don't usually suddenly changed their mind about their friend just because their parents are "different".

Yes this is some of what I am talking about.

The first day of high school the kid walked up with his fathers, they kissed him said good bye and kissed each other, that was how his high school life ended before it started.

Nope gay people are generally teased for liking the same sex

Is this something you're making up, or is it something you know happened, or...?

Lol, I have a gay cousin who I am very close to as far as family goes. He's one of my best friends and tells me everything. He rarely gets teased and if he does he quickly puts people in their place. The only gay people I see getting teased really are those that cross dress and put on make up and all that jazz, and that is something that creeps me out lol.

Also I guess it depends a lot on the country. Some (particularly in the Middle East) I think aren't ready for it. Others (Scandinavian countries, Canada, New Zealand, Australia) I think could pass a bill making it legal perfectly well.

And there's when we get all into the LGBT stuff. (Lesbian Gay Bi Transgender I think)

No I made it all up.
/sarcasm of coarse I didn't make it up! Seriously it happened. This guy dropped out In year 10 because he was teased so much, he threatened to end his life at one of the assemblies we had. By the end of year nine he was a complete wreck, he got into drugs because of depression. I think as we speak his in rehab.

Funny that because I live in Australia, most parts of NSW and Perth are completely against the idea, I'm pretty sure SA is to, where the hell do you live aha?

This thread got me interested and I stumbled upon this: http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-pro-ga...-crazy-people/

Ah, forgot about all that stuff in Australia.
But people get teased for other things that result just as badly, not just their parents. And would them getting married change it anyway? Nope. Those who would tease because of it would still tease. It wouldn't make the whole country suddenly tease them just because they got married.

found these with sections on this topic: http://feministsforchoice.com/mythbu...ont-add-up.htm
http://www.livescience.com/6073-chil...dies-show.html

I agree with them and they do a much better job than me at putting my opinion on this into words

Off for the night, leave replies and ill argue/agree in morning, night.

Your reasons are terrible.

You're ******ed and one of the least respected members on this site so I won't bother trying to debate with you.