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Zen 02-23-2013 03:25 PM

Make turtle faster?
 
If rhino which is 10k less than turtle is faster than it, they should make turtle faster.

LiA 02-23-2013 03:58 PM

Real turtles are slow though 0:

Dusty 02-23-2013 05:34 PM

> Buy Turtle
> Surprised it's Slowest Mount
> Wut?

Addy 02-23-2013 05:35 PM

so are snails but that mount is pretty much the speed as all others.

Dusty 02-23-2013 05:48 PM

Well I can't say accurately, but wasn't the turtle the first 2-player mount? Having that, and the fact that it's... well a turtle, the slow speed was justified. However retro-actively adding in more mounts that can offer 2-player mounting while also being faster and apparently cheaper isn't really well thought-out. *shrug* At this rate all the mounts should be the same speed.

At least, these stats should be visible before purchase.

Rezon 02-23-2013 05:48 PM

> Buy Turtle
> Thinks its Slowest
> Graal =/= Real life

Clown 02-23-2013 08:10 PM

Title made me lol

Sicx 02-23-2013 08:23 PM

You get what you buy next time save up more and not buy cheapest mount.

MrSimons 02-23-2013 08:48 PM

If we made the turtle go any faster it'd burn out it's poor little heart, it is already carrying two fat ass graalians, do you want to kill the poor thing? I'm glad sick people like you aren't running this game...

Zen 02-23-2013 10:26 PM

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Posted by Sicx (Post 302411)
You get what you buy next time save up more and not buy cheapest mount.

If you realize, rhino is 40k, so your argument is invalid.

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Posted by Dusty (Post 302341)
Well I can't say accurately, but wasn't the turtle the first 2-player mount? Having that, and the fact that it's... well a turtle, the slow speed was justified. However retro-actively adding in more mounts that can offer 2-player mounting while also being faster and apparently cheaper isn't really well thought-out. *shrug* At this rate all the mounts should be the same speed.

At least, these stats should be visible before purchase.

Graal uses logic? They make it so you can turn into a dragon, a swamp creature, a snail that has the same speed as all other mounts such as addy pointed. But i agree with you dusty that there should be an option to see the speed of the mount. Thanks for that suggestion.

Dusty 02-23-2013 10:37 PM

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Posted by Zen (Post 302468)
Graal uses logic? They make it so you can turn into a dragon, a swamp creature, a snail that has the same speed as all other mounts such as addy pointed.

Just because a game doesn't apply to real-world logic in every physical possible way, doesn't mean it needs to toss everything out of the window. Games can only simulate various aspects of the world to various degrees; any and every game out there will sacrifice some sort of logic because the real-world rules don't make for good gameplay. Graal does happen to be on the farther end of the spectrum, but that doesn't mean it should break all the rules because it has broken others.

The fault here isn't that the turtle is slow, it's that these aspects of the game have been very poorly balanced. If the turtle is slow, mounts like the snail should have been slow too. If the turtle is slow and a two-player mount, but a rhino is fast and also a two-player mount... yet cheaper, then there should have been better balancing there as well. The Rhino should have been more expensive, for the turtle should have an incentive for being more expensive than another mount that is cheaper AND better.

However it's probably too late to fix these issues because it'd require nerfing items players have already paid for and in my opinion that's not fair unless they are compensated.

MrSimons 02-23-2013 10:53 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 302472)
However it's probably too late to fix these issues because it'd require nerfing items players have already paid for and in my opinion that's not fair unless they are compensated.

No problem, those iEra folks do it all the time. :D

Punctur 02-23-2013 10:54 PM

Rhinos are faster than turtles by like 10K times.

Winter 02-23-2013 11:36 PM

Why would you buy a turtle in hope that it could stand up to a rhino? Anyways, slow and steady wins the race!

Blueh 02-23-2013 11:43 PM

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Posted by Winter (Post 302496)
Why would you buy a turtle in hope that it could stand up to a rhino? Anyways, slow and steady wins the race!

Not a horse race! Even though neither are horses.

Winter 02-23-2013 11:46 PM

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Posted by Blueh (Post 302505)
Not a horse race! Even though neither are horses.

Exactly! Neither qualify for an actual race. Main argument is hereby invalid; transportation is transportation. Perhaps a turtle is safer for your Graalian? Better safe than sorry.

(P.S. I ride a bunny)

Ryan 02-24-2013 12:19 AM

1000 POSTS MUDAFUKA



im wasting my life

Blueh 02-24-2013 12:23 AM

Yes. Yes you are. But in reality, aren't we all?

Sicx 02-24-2013 02:43 AM

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Posted by Zen (Post 302468)
If you realize, rhino is 40k, so your argument is invalid.


My bad I'm not on all day waiting for a news update.

Zen 02-24-2013 03:53 PM

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Posted by Sicx (Post 302561)
My bad I'm not on all day waiting for a news update.

Good for you.

Eldon 02-25-2013 01:42 AM

When you go to buy the mount, it should atleast say "slower than most mounts" and not only the turtle, but i realised the Rhino is slower than other mounts. I do not understand why a rhino, can run 40mph, as fast as some horses in real life, and the panda (same speed as horses in game) is slower than both a rihno and horse in real life. If you were trying to make the mount's speed realistic (the turtle) atleast have the right facts. Speeds should go: turtle>panda>rihno-horse.

Dusty 02-25-2013 02:31 AM

Something as simple as giving mounts a rank system(either grade or stars) would be fine.

GotenGraal 02-25-2013 07:06 PM

Yeah should be faster, I bought it on impulse and didn't really pay attention to others with it until only after purchasing, I realized it was completely useless for transportation. Doesn't even say in the description that it's slower than the other mounts. I'd expect my firework mount to go extremely fast and my turtle to swim but niether do. So I don't see why turtles have to be slow like ones in real life.

Zen 02-25-2013 07:10 PM

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Posted by GotenGraal (Post 303433)
Yeah should be faster, I bought it on impulse and didn't really pay attention to others with it until only after purchasing, I realized it was completely useless for transportation. Doesn't even say in the description that it's slower than the other mounts. I'd expect my firework mount to go extremely fast and my turtle to swim but niether do. So I don't see why turtles have to be slow like ones in real life.

LETS RIOT!111!!!

Dusty 02-25-2013 07:22 PM

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Posted by GotenGraal (Post 303433)
I bought it on impulse and didn't really pay attention

That's kind of your problem though :P Impulse buys are almost always regrettable.

Either way, I'd definitely be in favor of giving mounts speed rankings to alleviate this effect. The only problem is mounts actually don't have a speed value. They have an acceleration and friction value... friction is the closest to representing the max speed but it's only factored once in the horse script. Not to mention the difference between the Turtle and Rhino's friction is only 0.045. So ya...

Craig 02-25-2013 07:24 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 303440)
Not to mention the difference between the Turtle and Rhino's friction is only 0.045. So ya...

That is a lot if you think in other dimensions.

Dusty 02-25-2013 07:43 PM

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Posted by Craig (Post 303442)
That is a lot if you think in other dimensions.

As far as Graal dimensions go, a tile is 1. So 0.045 isn't even a single pixels worth... that's not saying much though since like I said, the friction isn't exactly the speed value. It's a factor that is used in determining speed; but what makes this difficult is when the difference between the slowest mount, the Turtle, and the faster mounts is only 0.045, it makes it a bit hard to easily rank their speed. It's not as clean cut as saying Horses have a max speed of 1.5 and Turtle has a max speed of .6.

Eldon 02-26-2013 01:34 AM

Again, just like to point out, Rihno's are actually decenty fast in real life.

Zen 02-26-2013 02:02 AM

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Posted by Eldon (Post 303632)
Again, just like to point out, Rihno's are actually decenty fast in real life.

Also to point out, rhinos aren't usually having armor on then and let two people sit on them and eats bombs. Your point is invalid. :P

Ryan 02-26-2013 06:08 AM

shut up its Graal logic

Eldon 02-26-2013 08:06 PM

Zen, pandas are also fatter AND slower than rhinos in real life, as in game, pandas are normal speed. So my answer has a valid point.

princess becca 02-26-2013 08:32 PM

a turtle is a turtle and a turtle is slow

Zen 02-26-2013 11:21 PM

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Posted by Eldon (Post 303969)
Zen, pandas are also fatter AND slower than rhinos in real life, as in game, pandas are normal speed. So my answer has a valid point.

Rhino is same speed as panda, so that argument doesn't make sense to me.

Aaron 02-26-2013 11:41 PM

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Posted by Rezon (Post 302343)
Real life

lel...what's that server

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Posted by princess becca (Post 303984)
a turtle is a turtle and a turtle is slow

but a snail is a snail...and a snail is slow.

meganey98 02-27-2013 02:48 AM

Black turtle mount is too slow Dx

Zen 02-27-2013 03:49 AM

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Posted by meganey98 (Post 304199)
Black turtle mount is too slow Dx

Black turtle mount is same as regular turtle except its a recolor.

Eldon 02-28-2013 09:59 PM

In graal, pandas are same speed as horses, rhino's are reduced, and turtles even more.

Zen 02-28-2013 11:04 PM

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Posted by Eldon (Post 305230)
In graal, pandas are same speed as horses, rhino's are reduced, and turtles even more.

We know this already good sir.

Eldon 02-28-2013 11:57 PM

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Posted by Zen (Post 304071)
Rhino is same speed as panda, so that argument doesn't make sense to me.


Zen 03-01-2013 02:24 AM

Lel guess you were right my bad.

Eldon 03-01-2013 03:46 AM

Lel

iChronic 03-03-2013 12:53 AM

ye I reckon the turtle is a big rip-off...at least make it unique.. If devs were really trying to make the mounts realistic (the turtle) at least have the right facts. e.g. MAKE IT ABLE TO SWIM IN WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm...61euo1_500.jpg

Zen 03-03-2013 05:32 AM

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Posted by iChronic (Post 306285)
ye I reckon the turtle is a big rip-off...at least make it unique.. If devs were really trying to make the mount's speed realistic (the turtle) at least have the right facts. e.g. MAKE IT ABLE TO SWIM IN WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm...61euo1_500.jpg

Yes.

Shaymus* 03-03-2013 05:46 AM

That would just ruin the idea of making another morph or of making the turtle morph itself.

iChronic 03-03-2013 05:57 AM

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Posted by Shaymus* (Post 306470)
That would just ruin the idea of making another morph or of making the turtle morph itself.

LOLWUTTT? I was talking about mounts here...and even so, how would it ruin morphs? i have 3-4 animal morphs that have their characteristics based in real life..

Shaymus* 03-03-2013 06:26 AM

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Posted by iChronic (Post 306475)
LOLWUTTT? I was talking about mounts here...and even so, how would it ruin morphs? i have 3-4 animal morphs that have their characteristics based in real life..

Turtles are supposed to be physically slow.

However, you can ride faster by eating bushes just like the horses do to run fast.

iChronic 03-03-2013 06:48 AM

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Posted by Shaymus* (Post 306491)
Turtles are supposed to be physically slow.

However, you can ride faster by eating bushes just like the horses do to run fast.

yo dawg, I said make them have the same characteristics irl... I said nothing about changing their speed

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Posted by Dusty (Post 302472)

However it's probably too late to fix these issues because it'd require nerfing items players have already paid for and in my opinion that's not fair unless they are compensated.

ye kinda lame...would be nice if they made a room available just for the people who have the mount ..to compensate them for their 50k...50k is big in graal you know >.>

edit:

any of these would nice..

1)a room made available just for 2p turtle owners

2)a free hat that matches the mount

3)10k refund

4)50 turtle house pets..valued at 25g each (wont be made available to public though)

5)a turtle morph or SeaWorld themed draisine

GotenGraal 03-03-2013 02:20 PM

Oo the turtle pet idea sounds pretty cool, I don't think it should be exclusive though. It'd be cool to have a pet that could swim.

Eldon 03-04-2013 02:42 AM

Also, a land where you would need to swim in, via turtle, and it would be an underground shop/hangout area/farm/bugs.

Zen 03-04-2013 05:33 AM

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Posted by Eldon (Post 306967)
Also, a land where you would need to swim in, via turtle, and it would be an underground shop/hangout area/farm/bugs.

Yes. Just yes.


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