Best iDevice Sparrer
 

tried to include all active sparrers, please no bias

My mom

lol'd at Yui.

Woot Yui!!

Delayers shouldn't be on the list.

Everyone on that list is a noob and I'll **** them up any day.
Come @ me broz.

Lol like half of those guys lag/delay.

Uh oh.

I thought the same too 0:!

Comyt is by far the best iPhone sparrer, there's no contest

iJesus is good too :)

Sorry, why do these threads have predetermined poll options? thats bias itself.
anyway, Nite is one of the few sparrers there who doesnt lag or delay that bad

Why even start these "Whose the Best" threads? It's stupid. Plain & simple...

/closethread

Qes & Kentaro!

Lol @ people complaining about laggers/delayers, you people are idiots, it's just as hard for us to hit you as it is for you to hit us, it's actually harder because we have no choice on who we verse, they will always be one step ahead of us.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha no.

This.

Lag works both ways and people don't seem to realize this. Everyone is ignorant as hell.

Hahaha, yes.

Lol no. Why do you think during gs the lagger on the team is ALWAYS the last one standing? They're extremely hard to hit and can survive easily because there delay allows them to go right through direct hits. How often do you see a delayer who doesn't have a ridiculously high spar? Pretty rare.

Its quite obvious that my previous post completely wooshed right by you. Like me and Vatec said earlier, it affects both sides. The people facing the delayer have an extremely hard time hitting them, but so does the person with the delay. Often times, hits take a while to register.

Secondly, there are tons of people who have have bad delay with terrible records. Just look at all of the noobs who have terrible lag and don't know what they're doing.

Lag is only a problem in spars when it is unpredictable and hard to adjust to. If you're a good sparrer, you'll learn to effectively adjust to the delay, and win. Someone who is bad, and inexperienced will just cry about it and make up excuses to keep their ego intact.

GOAT>all idevicers

No i'm stating a fact not crying. I see it from pkers too, even when you do manage a hit they get a much longer invincibility period after hitting them then someone who doesn't delay. I don't understand how you can honestly say delayers have the same problem sparring normal players. I can name a pretty big list of players who's pks and spar ratios would be crap if they didn't delay. Like I said, go to swamp gs and observe. From time to time a team will have an awful delayer and that person will always be the last one standing.

Idiot, how the **** do we have a higher invincibility period? That's the most stupid thing I've heard, now someone with 600ms who is warping around I agree that's impossible to hit them, but anyone who has 300ms or less doesn't warp, and has a steady movement just a bit behind. It's actually HARDER for us to spar/PK due to the fact that we have to predict their movements NO MATTER WHAT, unlike you people who only have to predict when you spar someone like me. You don't see us complaining, we actually learn how to predict ones move and apply that strategy in spars, which is much harder then what you can do.

Also, there is nothing we can do about our lag, I myself live in Australia which is a long way away from the servers in the USA, giving everyone from Australia around 200-300ms of lag, why? Because the speed of light isn't instant, data traveling through a cable can only go so fast, and like I said USA is a long way way. This also happens to people in Europe, they have 120-200ms (a lot better than me) and most of them have a faster download/upload speed than the USA.

As I've said many times before, lag works both ways, and if you are going to complain either harden the **** up or learn a new strategy, because you can't say laggers/delayed have a higher advantage.

Laggers in a nutshell

Delay=Walk through hits. This doesn't work both ways, and the stupdiest thing ever heard, I agree has been stated in this thread when you said, "It's actually HARDER for us to spar/pk". I'm not complaining, I understand people can't help it usually, just stating a fact.

Blah blah blah, another thread where never-been-gud sparrers come out of the woodwork to complain and make excuses.

This will turn out to be nothing but a popularity contest probably, but I voted for Comyt because I think he's better than anyone on the list. Kevin91 is also very good.

You are stupid, you know nothing. When we spar YOU are the one walking through our hits, I'm not ever going to argue with you anymore, you are one sided and biased.

Should of seen iClassic top 10 sparrers thread.


shudders

ya you should see it, it was like a verbal pk fest won by the GOAT, ash and goten
rezon youre the fat boy in the baseball team so dont forget it

Goten is right. Delayers don't have a disadvantage. Delayers can hit you straight on, while you can't hit them. It would be laggers that are having the disadvantage, because they can get hit 2-5 seconds later. Obviously none of you PCs have played enough on the iDevice server to see the difference between lag & delay. Ask the top iDevice sparrer to vs a lagger. Then have him/her spar a delayer. Maybe he/she can tell us who is right or wrong. Also, stop calling other people ******ed when they don't have a mental disorder. Just because you don't have the same opinion as them, doesn't mean that they are ******ed.

1. Thallen, you don't set the standards for who's good and who's bad.

2. Vatec, you're the idiot trying to argue a proven fact.

Because your qualitative findings are a proven fact?

No it's kind of just one of those common sense things.

So your opinion and biased findings are common sense?

Lol I already proved my point. Stop dragging this on with me when clearly you've run out of legit arguments to mine, instead why don't you attempt at arguing at what LiA said? Or are you going to wait for Thallen or Vatec to say something first then just back it up?

Although it seems as if delayers are hitting you straight on, on their screen they actuallyl aren't. What happens on graal is, if you are lagging, you are constanty sending movements and the server picks them up and re-transmits them at a later time to you. If you are facing a lagger and they hit you, they most likely sent that sword strike a few seconds ago (based on latency). When a delayer is sparring, they're just taking random jabs at air and hope that it hits, as you are as well.

You have no points, and Vatec has done a nice job of taking the words right out of my mouth. I really don't understand why you're completely underanalyzing my posts anyways. Thats why there's really no point in fighting with you. Its like bringing a knife to a gun fight. I have the gun and you're the lunatic with the knife taking random jabs that do nothing.

lel, good argument...I expect more from iStaff, but i guess not.

quite the lame thread.

as thallen said, the poll itself is pretty much a popularity contest. having kevin earn more votes than me after i recently beat him in a series to 10? oh, makes sense, vote for the guy with the most spar wins.

arguing over laggers? if they warp/delay to you, you warp/delay to them too. if you lose to them, they are just more used to it than you are. don't cry about it and call them a superhuman, just adapt to their lag. if you suck horribly against laggers, you're just inexperienced and need to spend more time around them, then they won't be a problem.

Looks like you forgot to quote the few other posts before that one.

As for you, like I said before, I'm not going to argue with you. I did my best to explain to you people how latency works, but you just don't understand. Why don't you try sparring with 200+ ms and see how hard it really is.

No, they can't. I like you but you don't know what you're talking about. Stop putting false things into people's minds. It's simply not true. Lag is "mutual" on Graal.

If someone lives in Australia or Asia for example, every single person they spar will delay to them just as much as they delay to you. You can still argue it's an advantage to the delayer, because the delayer knows their own delay and has lots of experience with it.

Either way, still an excuse. Not hard at all to spar delayers, just boring. This thread isn't about spar mechanics or excuses, it's about who the best iDevice sparrer is. But we all knew it'd turn into this.

This forum honestly needs rules on this, its just irritating. People take things out of context, or edit someone else's quotes and completely shift others' perspective on it.

My spar used to be 7-39 till I went tryhard

*sniff* *sniff* Smoke...? This could only mean one thing... Incoming flame war! Brace yourselves!

what

Not really, if we fight another delayer then we have to predict them *2, and you think it's hard for you?

You say that experience is an advantage, lol you can't go and complain that you lost a spar because they had more experience than you.

Also, you could easily just randomly move somewhere unexpected and voila, you foiled our prediction.

It's been going on for a while now :)

Heheheheeh

Well, okay 0:. I guess we're all delayers then. Well can anyone explain the showlag/ms then? How come laggers/delayers are usually at 300+ ms while we're all under 100?

To the right person, yes.

I didn't finish my sentence Dx.

Then why did you post it lol.

Because the speed of light is only so fast, the data sent from you to the server is sent at that speed and can only get there so fast. For example I live in Australia, which if you don't know is very far away from the USA, therefore giving me 250-300ms of lag.

There are also other factors such as the amount of traffic going through your connection, that can give you a higher ms, but it's mostly location.

[QUOTE=*Vatec;304840]Looks like you forgot to quote the few other posts before that one.

I did not criticize your other posts or this entire argument. I criticize your word choice.