No more 2player mounts :0
 

Well today, i was going to farm with my Armour Panda like i normaly use for farming, when i tried to get on my Panda, it had said 'you can not use your mount in this area'. I figured this was a glitch, so i exited, and re-enterd my house, again, same message, 'you can not use your mount in this area' so i left the house, got on the Panda, tried to enter and it said 'you can not enter a house on a 2player mount'. well. what the hell? 2player mounts are super over-priced. (i got mine when it first came out, so yes, i spent a long time getting the time to save up.) and now i can't use them for farming? wow, well i guess getting an okay farming tool isn't allowed.

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If that's true then that sucks. This needs to be fixed.

i can understand that this is a 'patch' so players can not have there friends on the mount, so they can enter a guild house for; e.x. If i wanted my friend uhh... Livee to go to Racil's guild house (Ventrues guild house) and Livee didn't have a tag, then i could get him on my 2player mount, and enter Racil's guild house, without him knowing at all. So i can see the problem, but i feel this was just a lazy fix.

Not just that, 2-p mounts are used for warping players. If youre friend inv you to their house ->go inside -> inv them on mount -> click out and their you have warped them. But i am too disappointed that i cant farm in my gh with it. i thought it was a glitch also lol.

Why can't they just disable inviting people onto 2p mounts in houses if that's the issue? It really isn't fair to pay such a high price and not being able to use your mount for farming.

It's really frustrating because the map is sprinkled with areas you can't use your horse - and when you hit one of these random areas it makes one get off their horse.

That is silly, there are so many other ways this could be fixed...

2p mounts are the best way to farm because the py have 5 fire breath. Its ******ed that you cant farm in your house now.

You weren't able to warp people using houses and 2P mounts in the first place. They fixes that glitch ages ago. If you invited someone to your 2P mount and left the house you would end up in different areas.

Horses are probably the buggiest thing in the game (no pun intended). Like Crag said, there could be just that one little-teensy-weensy tile that boots you off the horse completely wreck you out of nowhere. The castle was where the problem was because whenever you're in proximity you get kicked off. They really need to smoothen out the no mount zones. That's just ridiculous.

This doesn't solve problems, it creates new ones.

Not really. 2-player mounts are absolutely riddled with various glitches and exploits, and this is the simplest way to crush them all in one fell swoop. I could have either sat last night and looked through the tons of code that deals with 2-player mounts and houses and hoped that I patched up all the various exploits players have been using or I could do it this way.

If players didn't seem to just absolutely love exploiting 2-player mounts to glitch this wouldn't be a problem, but they do. The day before yesterday I sat and patched up one exploit for glitching over walls and I get on last night and lo and behold they have found another way to glitch over walls with 2-player mounts.

I will keep looking into this, but until then they will stay disabled in houses.

How about

"you can't invite your friend to your 2 pklayer mount in this area/your guildhouse" instead that?

This is the problem. I can patch that... but there are other exploits. Then I can patch those, but there are more...

When I say 2-player mounts are nothing but glitch-fests, I mean it. Their implementation is poor and all it does is introduce ways for people to get on walls. Almost any sort of wall-glitching can be traced back to them. Now we're left with the mess and can do nothing but sit and tediously clean up each individual exploit players seem to find with them since getting to the root of the problem is nearly impossible now.

why not just lock it out of other player's houses? if they want to farm, they can use there own house/guild house.

Because ANY house with a 2-player mount introduces an exploit.

Like I said, I'm not done with them but it's going to remain like this until I find the time to comb through all the code.

You guys have no idea what sort of mess these mounts have caused, and they were never really properly addressed. All this did was add more work load to staff who constantly have to deal with reports of wall glitchers, and make releasing new stuff a bit of a pain because instead of playing properly people just glitch over. Then you have the levels themselves which are an absolute mess because you have to sprinkle blocking NPCs over everything, and then there are anti-glitching NPCs that were scripted just to tackle the issue.

wow that is truly awful

What is awful is just how fast players are able to find another way to glitch onto walls when you fix an old exploit. They're really friggin' dedicated. Of course it always comes back to 2-player mounts. While I can understand you can't anticipate the way players will use new content, this is something that truly should have been fixed before they were ever released. The way 2-player mounts are implemented literally allows you to put your passenger on walls with no effort. That is just an insanely silly oversight. The fact that the original method to glitch over walls was a simple as just getting OFF the horse shows just how poorly thought-out these mounts were.

when they were released, the first day there was zero restrictions at all, players could warp others into sparring rooms, get off facing the left side (as you stated) they'd warp forward into walls. plus the path following isn't great ether, you can easily 'flick' someone into a wall. On top of this, players could just get on there 2player mount, eat 5 bushes, and run out of there guild house, they'd warp threw levels like crazy. aka "map jump" just by exiting there house, i just wish it didn't take a couple of glitcher's to ruin 2player mounts in homes for everyone. :\ but at least now i understand why.

I plan to look further into the exploits and try to tackle them one by one, but for now it's just going to have to be this way. Hopefully it won't take long to fix them and reenable them back.

There is blame to put on players, they really do love to exploit these mounts(and I assume a good chunk bought 2-player mounts just to glitch), but 2-player mounts are probably the most nightmarish additions to the game. They should have been better implemented and scripted. All it's done is force the rest of the development team to sit and clean up the mess it has left.

This is seriously stupid. A normal horse has more benefits than a 2P horse now. Not to mention you're paying like 50-100k for a 2P mount while you can buy a normal horse for 2.5k or just get VIP. All of this because probably some arrogant prick thought it was funny to pretend to be an admin and glitch on a wall. Just to show his little p**** posse of friends who also think it's cool to ruin the game for everyone else.

Maybe they should just disable all horses for the time being and have them remade and tested and make sure when they're implemented back they work correctly. Because if what your saying is true about them having tons of glitches, then it must mean someone probably didn't spend a whole lot of time making them. All horses in general need to be buffed if you ask me.

Why not just start banning people for bug abuse again? It'd really trim down the exploits being discovered for 2p mounts.

i bought one, for two reasons, first off, after my 'year' ban, all my heads, horses, and a few items had been removed from my account, so i didn't have a horse, secondly, i had herd they're wonderful farming tools. so i had bought one as an investment, sadly now because of player's glitching fetish, i can't farm at the moment, if they had made a horse with extra blasts of fire, or a straight up farming tool. (e.x. a normal horse, or even a slowed horse with 5-more fire blasts, i would have gladly paid for that instead of a 2-player mount.) but, thanks to everyone who performed these glitches, my investment is a dead weight. although I'm more than sure, the development team can fix it, it may take a while. i also forgot what point i was trying to make here so I'm just going to finish it off with saying, I'm sad. TT_TT

2person mounts should be allowed, maybe just fix so you can't inv to mount when in house/gh?

It's kind of sad that these horse exploits are the reason the 40k PK room was closed forever. I enjoyed that level quite a lot. v.v

What if it just booted the rider every time you went through any type of warp? That sounds a lot simplier. Plus it'd be better for events so two people on a mount can't win at the same time unless they got there on their own.

Because there's no way to hook events in Graal, so there's no way to detect any type of warp(not to mention walking on the overworld is actually considering warping through various levels) BEFORE the player is warped; and doing these checks before the player warps is necessary. Also, booting a player from a horse is the problem. We need to deal with the issue BEFORE a player gets off of a horse.

There's a lot of different things that can be proposed to be done, and would probably work if Graal was a more organized game. It's not. Servers are basically hacked together by various people at various points in time. It's an absolute mess to go through the scripts.

Gah. >_< then that sucks. All of these nonsense because of one or two people trying to act cool by glitching onto a wall.

Why not just make it so that you can't invite anyone on your horse inside houses/GH?

Unfortunately, it was more than just one or two.. A lot more, in fact..

Would there be a possibility of turning the 2p mounts into a regular 1p mount? Just until you fix them?

That sounds like a good temporary solution. Maybe add an extra fire blast or two to them to compensate.

Yeah I saw that! ugh.. I was going to mount cherry and bring her to Qes tag team spar, but I couldn't. That was lame, please change it.

Ummm, no? They wouldn't end up in different places. They made this to fix the constant cheating of players inviting each other on their mounts to get to a warper (events)

yo this suxx ass man, my only 2p mount is the turtle and the only good thing its good at is farming. The only reason people are glitching is because there isn't anything fun to do on graal except glitching..if you add a quest or maybe implement a new activity (not events) then maybe people will actually take interest and stop glitching

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btw when I say activities I don't mean making something like CTF and hiring another 100 admenzz just to host it.. what I mean is like ..fixing the spawn rate on public farms and encouraging people to farm again (just like it was 2 years ago)..or maybe adding more bugs.. >.>

So this morning i wake up and think "la de da de da.. i think im going to actually farm a little today :D!" *enters gh**equips panda and bombs* *taps panda button* ... "you cannot use a horse in this area" .... huh?... *tries again* "you cannot use a horse in this area".... *RAAAAAAGGGGGGEEEEEE*

^--cool story right bro?
even better story--v

so after i finish farming (on my 1p, 3bomb breath horse >:l ) i decide "la de da de da im gonna buy some more furniture for my guild house :D!" *buys a bunch of rose pots* i needed to put my roses in an unreachable area, so i get out a box and use the "push/pull" feature to drag myself into walls. *lalalala lays flowers out* ok.. now im stuck in wall and want to re-enter guild house *hits button* ... "you cannot enter your house while in a wall".... WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WIT MA HOUSE?! so ended up unsticking several times and walking back to furniture store.

the end.

This is way should happen:

(Graalians can refund any horse they like ONLY BEFORE this takes place)

you remake horses..
NO 2P (2Ps wont work anymore)

At the stables there would be horses.. Each would have a special ability:
Ex. Speed, bomb breath, strength, etc.

They all are 5000 GRAALATS.

Speciality horses would be VIP (THAT MEANS THOSE 10 HORSES AEE WORTH SOMETHING!)

Once in a while admins would give out horses for events that may be really high in stats.

Horse race would improve your horses stats not give you money.


Oh and:

Sounds awesome, except for a few things. Unless you're boosting everyone's horse stats from horse races, players like Vlad would constantly win and increase their horse stats, leaving other players with no chance to win. Also, I think there should be a limit on how high horse stats can go. There should also be other ways to increase horse stats. Horse race might be kinda unfair for those who can't be on during them. For example, maybe completing the Pyrat Quest by killing all 75 pyrats by slashing on your horse can increase strength, making 5 red gralats from scratch with bomb breath can increase bomb breath, and something else for speed? I just think gralats should still be a reward for horse races so people don't abandon them completely.

One other question, would we keep bushes raising speed until you get off your horse?

Turtle is already useless for transportation now it can't be used for farming=completely useless. Lol

This takes away the reasons I got a 2P mount in the first place. To farm with 5 fire shots in my guild house. And to warp my friends. Now it's useless to me.

2-player mounts have been reenabled in houses.

I don't really understand why it was removed in the first place.
All the areas that need something to get in is blocked off with the Can't enter this house while in this area. So no real reason to take it off.
maybe for the events since i know people use the mount to warp people to the warp door to the event. Which is cheap.

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It is a glitch maybe. If it were not a glitch then apparently they disabled this feature

Why can't they change graal for the better?