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Rezon 11-04-2011 10:41 PM

Hat From Maplestory --> Onto Graal?
 
HAS BEEN RESOLVED, HATS HAVE BEEN CHANGED! GJ





http://www.mapletip.com/maplestory-e...petal/1002435/
http://www.mapletip.com/images/maple...s/01002435.png

http://screensnapr.com/e/pqSjnR.png

Yea obviously stolen.



Alright there are 2 now:


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Posted by Rexx (Post 29831)
Theres others ones.
I noticed this one when it first came out, I play Maplestory too lol

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...zz/2151007.png

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...64b7aa-1-1.jpg<---LOL


Tyler 11-04-2011 10:43 PM

Lmao did they actually rip it from that game? It's exactly the same from what I can see.

Rezon 11-04-2011 10:44 PM

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Posted by TylerMysTe (Post 29748)
Lmao did they actually rip it from that game? It's exactly the same from what I can see.

Yea, when I first got the hat, i'm like, that's from maplestory o.O

LavaClaw 11-04-2011 10:48 PM

Oh wow, they did too! I didn't notice that till now.

LiA 11-04-2011 10:50 PM

Yea it does look like an exact replica of that hat 0:!!! I'm sure that's not the only Graal hat that's from Maple Story.

Rezon 11-04-2011 10:54 PM

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Posted by LiA05 (Post 29756)
Yea it does look like an exact replica of that hat 0:!!! I'm sure that's not the only Graal hat that's from Maple Story.

really, this is the only gfx i have found so far.

Dusty 11-04-2011 11:18 PM

There were quite a few hats ripped from MapleStory, from what I've seen. Funny part is they didn't even bother to put it on the right side of the head, lol.

Uploaders have to be careful with this ****, it's not like Graal is some obscure game on the dark alleys of internet anymore. It's a fairly popular game now that makes a lot of money. Copyright = way more important than it ever has been before.

Manji 11-04-2011 11:50 PM

I went on era and found a hat from maplesrory, I don't remember which one

LavaClaw 11-04-2011 11:53 PM

The glowing pumpkin in the era halloween store looks a lot like the one on maplestory.

MrSimons 11-05-2011 12:35 AM

-Sends msg to MapleStory about this "mishap"-

Oswald 11-05-2011 12:39 AM

uh oh...

iHot 11-05-2011 12:47 AM

Uploaders are hypocrites,we the players get banned when using someone elses graphic but no they can just go and do whatever the heck they want. What you people think this is some dead computer game or site?! (MySpace) fix it or else MapleStory will use
LAWSUIT ATTACK!!

MrSimons 11-05-2011 12:56 AM

POKEMON IN GRAAL

Graal uses GFX theft

Maple Story uses LAWSUIT!!!!

Stefan's wallet fainted

Dusty 11-05-2011 12:58 AM

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Posted by Mr.$imons (Post 29802)
POKEMON IN GRAAL

Graal uses GFX theft

Maple Story uses LAWSUIT!!!!

Stefan's wallet fainted

There is a difference between outright stealing graphics from another game(especially competing games) and alluding to popular characters. Now, I haven't seen this Pikachu hat but I doubt it's actually a rip of any actual Nintendo graphics, though it probably does infringe on the character design. They need to probably switch it up, like changing the ears or something akin to that. Then it becomes a tasteful homage :)

MrSimons 11-05-2011 01:27 AM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 29804)
There is a difference between outright stealing graphics from another game(especially competing games) and alluding to popular characters. Now, I haven't seen this Pikachu hat but I doubt it's actually a rip of any actual Nintendo graphics, though it probably does infringe on the character design. They need to probably switch it up, like changing the ears or something akin to that. Then it becomes a tasteful homage :)

I wasn't talking about a pikachu hat, in fact i didnt know there was one. I was explaining the next few events in a less serious way..

Rezon 11-05-2011 01:48 AM

Soultion:

Remove hat!

MrSimons 11-05-2011 01:52 AM

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Posted by Rezon (Post 29814)
Soultion:

Remove hat!

Better Solution:

Sit back on era and laugh as iClassic gets pwned by Maple Story.

Rezon 11-05-2011 02:13 AM

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Posted by Mr.$imons (Post 29816)
Better Solution:

Sit back on era and laugh as iClassic gets pwned by Maple Story.

I can see why your reputation is red!

Oswald 11-05-2011 02:18 AM

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Posted by Rezon (Post 29823)
I can see why your reputation is red!

lolol

Rexx 11-05-2011 02:45 AM

Theres others ones.
I noticed this one when it first came out, I play Maplestory too lol

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...zz/2151007.png

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...64b7aa-1-1.jpg<---LOL

Rezon 11-05-2011 02:53 AM

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Posted by Rexx (Post 29831)
Theres others ones.
I noticed this one when it first came out, I play Maplestory too lol

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...zz/2151007.png

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...64b7aa-1-1.jpg<---LOL

OH WOW, well that one isn't as obvious as this damn flower.

iHot 11-05-2011 03:01 AM

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Posted by Rexx (Post 29831)
Theres others ones.
I noticed this one when it first came out, I play Maplestory too lol

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...zz/2151007.png

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l...64b7aa-1-1.jpg<---LOL

Holy shi...

Kipi 11-05-2011 03:07 AM

i hope they get into a huuge lawsuit with nexon Haha

Rezon 11-05-2011 03:08 AM

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Posted by Kipi (Post 29836)
i hope they get into a huuge lawsuit with nexon Haha

Nexon will destroy their ass. Have you seen what they've done with private servers?

Beholder 11-05-2011 03:15 AM

Only thing I can think of was how much the allowance for images over 8bit backfired.

Since every image with only 5 colors used gets saved as an image with a 64k palette, and it allows 'dem scrubs to just resize a stolen image (without even the effort to remove the anti-aliasing! :O).

Dusty 11-05-2011 03:25 AM

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Posted by Beholder (Post 29839)
Only thing I can think of was how much the allowance for images over 8bit backfired.

Since every image with only 5 colors used gets saved as an image with a 64k palette, and it allows 'dem scrubs to just resize a stolen image (without even the effort to remove the anti-aliasing! :O).

Not like this stopped anyone before >8bit images were supported lol. They'd just resize, transparent the background with ****ty AA and downgrade the hell out of the quality.

AliceRabbit 11-05-2011 03:41 AM

:D lol maple <3 but I looked through some of the hats for maple on that site and isnt "fullmetal Alchemist" copyrighted? :o popular manga+Anime but there's mr. Fullmetal's "wig" and that dude umm...Alfred? The armor? His head of armor is there but it's in chibi form...aww crud =w= Imma nerd

Dusty 11-05-2011 03:51 AM

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Posted by AliceRabbit (Post 29842)
:D lol maple <3 but I looked through some of the hats for maple on that site and isnt "fullmetal Alchemist" copyrighted? :o popular manga+Anime but there's mr. Fullmetal's "wig" and that dude umm...Alfred? The armor? His head of armor is there but it's in chibi form...aww crud =w= Imma nerd

As long as they avoid trademark names and design infringement there's really no problem lol, it's simply a homage. For example a red plumbers hat with a white circle and "M" would be a no-no, however a red plumbers hat with a white circle and say... a mushroom icon would be fine. There's nothing distinctive about Edward's hair that can be copyrighted, and they call it "Edwin's Wig", therefor simply a homage :)

Rezon 11-05-2011 03:59 AM

Well, I doubt anything is going to happen, besides us discussing about this.

Tyler 11-05-2011 04:00 AM

I love how they crack down on us for copyright, but not themselves. Ripping graphics from another game and selling them is illegal.

Dusty 11-05-2011 04:04 AM

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Posted by TylerMysTe (Post 29850)
I love how they crack down on us for copyright, but not themselves. Ripping graphics from another game and selling them is illegal.

Changes are either a player submitted these and whoever handles the uploads wasn't aware, or one of the staff did it knowingly, and the other stuff either haven't caught on, or again, unaware of where it's from.

In the end it falls on a single individual, and staff can't all be able to tell where graphics come from. In this case it's Maple Story, but who would be able to tell if they ripped graphics from some obscure game that's not really that popular?

Report it to the appropriate staff before judging staff and instead judge them on how they actually deal with it after having it brought to their attention.

Tyler 11-05-2011 04:06 AM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 29851)
Changes are either a player submitted these and whoever handles the uploads wasn't aware, or one of the staff did it knowingly, and the other stuff either haven't caught on, or again, unaware of where it's from.

In the end it falls on a single individual, and staff can't all be able to tell where graphics come from. In this case it's Maple Story, but who would be able to tell if they ripped graphics from some obscure game that's not really that popular?

Yeah, that could be true. If they read this thread they might start checking that site for any hats used from the game.

Rexx 11-05-2011 04:25 AM

Nexon would probably lose money suing Eurocenter just with court fees and such lol

Dusty 11-05-2011 04:39 AM

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Posted by Rexx (Post 29863)
Nexon would probably lose money suing Eurocenter just with court fees and such lol

They'd include the court fees in the claim. All they'd have to do is send Eurocenter a C&D, Eurocenter would be stupid to ignore it.

Higbey 11-05-2011 04:48 AM

I doubt they would just try a c&d, they would know they would just remove it, they would want money too.

Rexx 11-05-2011 04:51 AM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 29870)
They'd include the court fees in the claim. All they'd have to do is send Eurocenter a C&D, Eurocenter would be stupid to ignore it.

considering it takes them months to respond to an email it wouldnt surprise me

Dusty 11-05-2011 04:52 AM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 29877)
I doubt they would just try a c&d, they would know they would just remove it, they would want money too.

Small things like this are rarely worth the time/money to bring it to court, especially when it's over country borders and such.

Tyler 11-05-2011 05:57 AM

I can imagine if they were sued for stealing their defense would be: "Any artwork uploaded to the internet is for sharing and everyone in the world to use."

Dusty 11-05-2011 06:00 AM

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Posted by TylerMysTe (Post 29891)
I can imagine if they were sued for stealing their defense would be: "Any artwork uploaded to the internet is for sharing and everyone in the world to use."

Nah they would probably pull some liability crap about uploads being mandated by players and not employees(in the same way Youtube or other sites like it handle copyright).

Tyler 11-05-2011 06:02 AM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 29892)
Nah they would probably pull some liability crap about uploads being mandated by players and not employees(in the same way Youtube or other sites like it handle copyright).

Lol.

Maikeru 11-05-2011 06:14 AM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 29766)
There were quite a few hats ripped from MapleStory, from what I've seen. Funny part is they didn't even bother to put it on the right side of the head, lol.

Uploaders have to be careful with this ****, it's not like Graal is some obscure game on the dark alleys of internet anymore. It's a fairly popular game now that makes a lot of money. Copyright = way more important than it ever has been before.

They never have been careful with it at all..
Im dead serious... They don't care about copyright anymore... They'll take anything :(

Higbey 11-05-2011 06:43 AM

Anyone remember the delibird head sprite lol? The thing is that they don't pay any "staff" so they could probably get away with it being the fault of a volunteer not the actual managers of the game.

Maikeru 11-05-2011 07:16 AM

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Posted by Higbey (Post 29901)
Anyone remember the delibird head sprite lol? The thing is that they don't pay any "staff" so they could probably get away with it being the fault of a volunteer not the actual managers of the game.

Lol ik! xD
Andy is the only one who has it!
And i remember the Orange head from Maplestory. Im sure its still on sale

Rezon 11-05-2011 06:57 PM

I really want a staff/uploader to reply to this thread :>

MrSimons 11-05-2011 08:37 PM

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Posted by Rezon (Post 29823)
I can see why your reputation is red!

Its red cuz I dont like it when prices r excessively low. Lol cant take a joke.

Cigam 11-05-2011 09:35 PM

Lately ive seen Graalians steal copyrighted heads and call it sharing lol, this is sorta whats going on with hats. COPYRIGHTED GRAPHICS ARE TAKING OVER GRAAL EVERYONE FLUD THIS THREAD WITH CUSTOM HATS TO UPLOAD SO WE CAN SAVE GRAAL FROM GETTING SUED! lol

fp4 11-05-2011 10:06 PM

It's pretty much impossible to completely prevent copyrighted works like described in the OP from getting uploaded unless the uploader has seen it before. Most are familiar with Nintendo and other popular characters but sprites from games like Maplestory are a lot harder to catch.

I personally wouldn't have known the flower was ripped from Maplestory and I've actually played the game.

So if you notice copyright-infringing graphics report the person, take a screen-shot and email it to the Classic's (or Era's if that's where you notice it on) support email and it will be handled appropriately.

DragonRider 11-05-2011 10:09 PM

LOL who still plays MapleStory?

Cigam 11-05-2011 11:38 PM

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Posted by fp4 (Post 30092)
It's pretty much impossible to completely prevent copyrighted works like described in the OP from getting uploaded unless the uploader has seen it before. Most are familiar with Nintendo and other popular characters but sprites from games like Maplestory are a lot harder to catch.

I personally wouldn't have known the flower was ripped from Maplestory and I've actually played the game.

So if you notice copyright-infringing graphics report the person, take a screen-shot and email it to the Classic's (or Era's if that's where you notice it on) support email and it will be handled appropriately.

Ok thanks, im gonna do that cuz ive seen some copyrighted heads lately.

Dusty 11-05-2011 11:59 PM

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Posted by Cigam Graal (Post 30130)
Ok thanks, im gonna do that cuz ive seen some copyrighted heads lately.

Elaborate?

If it's not directly ripped, then there's really nothing wrong with it. For example, using Link's head directly ripped from Link to the Past or Minish Cap would be a big no no, however a head with blonde hair and a green cap is fine(in fact one of the default heads is exactly this).

I mean, feel free to report stolen stuff, or things you even suspect is stolen if you can provide proof to the staff(to make their job easier). Otherwise just calling stuff stolen with vague claims and no proof is just going to waste staff time trying to find out exactly where it's from, if it's even violating a copyright.

So this:
Attachment 1473
Is a no no.

This:
Attachment 1474
Is A-OK.

(Also, players don't really copyright heads when they upload them. Apparently when your graphics go on Graal it's owned by Graal, giving other players right to edit and use them. It sucks, but you can't claim "copyright" just because another player is using an edited version of your head. However, most staff don't tolerate this, so feel free to report it. Just don't report it as copyright infringement. Actually, the technicality of copyright and such with uploaded graphics is... complex to say the least. All I'm saying is don't report players/graphics because of copyright, as you should reserve copyright reports for more important things like stealing graphics from other games, not because someone is using your head.)


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