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Rexx 05-22-2013 06:15 PM
Merge iZone and iEra?
 
If iZone shows no signs of progress in the near future I think we could consider it a failure. Its the same thing as iEra. There is nothing to attract players who are already established in iEra to play iZone.

Move all the iZone gmaps to the iEra server. Make all the iZone content available to iEra players. Merge the stats and purchases.

Without the burden of downloading a separate app, reuploading and paging for customs, losing all stats, iEra players might actually play the content on iZone.

G Fatal 05-22-2013 06:27 PM
That was the first idea of izone.. I feel for the staff team, Stefan basicly left them with a server that has not much to offer and no updates to go off while working on other stuff aswell, so now they a basicly trying to make completely new and stock up on updates when possible while also releasing the odd updates inbetween all that.

MattKan 05-22-2013 06:28 PM
They would need to have some form of compensation to the people who purchased Zone.

Platinum 05-22-2013 07:15 PM
Why can't you give iZone some time? I think the staff are working on some big updates (new tileset yay), andthey can't do that in a day.

KRAKATOA 05-22-2013 07:57 PM
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Posted by Platinum (Post 355573)
Why can't you give iZone some time? I think the staff are working on some big updates (new tileset yay), andthey can't do that in a day.
Yup, the graphics team is currently working hard on a new tileset, I think this will make zone way more attractive than it currently is. I believe it's worth the wait.

Infernus Lapse 05-22-2013 08:11 PM
That'd work, actually. As for compensation to iZone players, how about this:
iZone purchasers get a special weapon once the merge is complete upon merging their zone and era accounts.

WhileLoop 05-22-2013 08:11 PM
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Posted by Rexx (Post 355545)
If iZone shows no signs of progress in the near future I think we could consider it a failure. Its the same thing as iEra. There is nothing to attract players who are already established in iEra to play iZone.

Move all the iZone gmaps to the iEra server. Make all the iZone content available to iEra players. Merge the stats and purchases.

Without the burden of downloading a separate app, reuploading and paging for customs, losing all stats, iEra players might actually play the content on iZone.
Sorry pal, this is a bad thread if I ever saw one. To riddle a thread with this much ignorance and, for lack of a better word, bullsh-t, you have GOT to expect some smackdown. I'll keep this short and sweet because I've probably already invested more thought into this than the OP.

iZone has no intention nor desire to attract iEra players. iEra and iZone are two completely different animals. The only similarity is that they both have guns. The systems, theme, and direction are entirely different. You might as well question why on Earth Grand Theft Auto and Halo are different games. They're the same thing, right?

Rexx 05-22-2013 08:18 PM
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Posted by Platinum (Post 355573)
Why can't you give iZone some time? I think the staff are working on some big updates (new tileset yay), andthey can't do that in a day.
"If they show no progress" and "near future"

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Posted by WhileLoop (Post 355613)
Sorry pal, this is a bad thread if I ever saw one. To riddle a thread with this much ignorance and, for lack of a better word, bullsh-t, you have GOT to expect some smackdown. I'll keep this short and sweet because I've probably already invested more thought into this than the OP.

iZone has no intention nor desire to attract iEra players. iEra and iZone are two completely different animals. The only similarity is that they both have guns. The systems, theme, and direction are entirely different. You might as well question why on Earth Grand Theft Auto and Halo are different games. They're the same thing, right?
I apologize for angering you with my thread.

Nabu Lapse 05-22-2013 08:22 PM
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Posted by WhileLoop (Post 355613)
Sorry pal, this is a bad thread if I ever saw one. To riddle a thread with this much ignorance and, for lack of a better word, bullsh-t, you have GOT to expect some smackdown. I'll keep this short and sweet because I've probably already invested more thought into this than the OP.

iZone has no intention nor desire to attract iEra players. iEra and iZone are two completely different animals. The only similarity is that they both have guns. The systems, theme, and direction are entirely different. You might as well question why on Earth Grand Theft Auto and Halo are different games. They're the same thing, right?
Thanks for those stunning observations. I think he just wants to see more action in the game. You must admit with only about 100 people online it isn't the most exciting server. Besides it's not like it would be anything out of the ordinary to era. Era has already added enough stupid stuff to ruin the cops vs gangsters theme.

WhileLoop 05-22-2013 09:12 PM
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Posted by Rexx (Post 355621)
"If they show no progress" and "near future"

I apologize for angering you with my thread.
Don't doom your "brain blast" by turning it into a flame thread.
It's just a bad idea with very little sensible backing. It's easy to shoot down and difficult to defend.
Despite that, let's keep the ball rolling. Why is this not a bad suggestion?
How are Era and Zone the same thing?
Why should "gangster mafia" be merged with "futuristic space shooter"?
How can you possibly find the PK system - four directions versus eight directions - comparable?
Can the developers of two entirely independent entities wholly agree on one direction for development?

It's a bad idea. Defend it.
Your turn, shoot.

EDIT: Response to Nabu

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Posted by Nabu Lapse (Post 355626)

Thanks for those stunning observations. I think he just wants to see more action in the game. You must admit with only about 100 people online it isn't the most exciting server. Besides it's not like it would be anything out of the ordinary to era. Era has already added enough stupid stuff to ruin the cops vs gangsters theme.
You don't get more action by merging two entirely different ideas and communities. iZone players, while few and far between, still choose to play iZone over iEra for a reason. iEra players choose not to play iZone due to their own preferences. It makes no sense to do a developmental about face on a whim, halting the production of two works in progress.

Linkin Park and JayZ risked their fanbase by collaborating. Some liked it, some hated it. Do you think loyal JayZ fans would appreciate if he made nothing but LPJZ collaborations?

Seabiscuit 05-22-2013 09:42 PM
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Posted by WhileLoop (Post 355645)
Don't doom your "brain blast" by turning it into a flame thread.
It's just a bad idea with very little sensible backing. It's easy to shoot down and difficult to defend.
Despite that, let's keep the ball rolling. Why is this not a bad suggestion?
How are Era and Zone the same thing?
Why should "gangster mafia" be merged with "futuristic space shooter"?
How can you possibly find the PK system - four directions versus eight directions - comparable?
Can the developers of two entirely independent entities wholly agree on one direction for development?

It's a bad idea. Defend it.
Your turn, shoot.

EDIT: Response to Nabu



You don't get more action by merging two entirely different ideas and communities. iZone players, while few and far between, still choose to play iZone over iEra for a reason. iEra players choose not to play iZone due to their own preferences. It makes no sense to do a developmental about face on a whim, halting the production of two works in progress.

Linkin Park and JayZ risked their fanbase by collaborating. Some liked it, some hated it. Do you think loyal JayZ fans would appreciate if he made nothing but LPJZ collaborations?
Zone is failing, at least he is giving some ideas of what to do with zone. You are just trying to turn this into a fight, "your turn shoot". Quit acting like zone deserves any kind of recognition. I also like how you went all out and wrote that much on such a simple point, smh.

Admiral 05-22-2013 09:52 PM
Tbh, im kind of happy with the 100 players so far. Yeah it's nowhere near as large as iEra or iClassic's playerbase but taking into consideration that these two servers have had atleast 2 years to build a loyal playerbase, the fact Zone was underdeveloped when it was released (in my opinion) and that when Matt left Zone had approximately 30 - 50 players a day, 100 players is good enough for me right now. Plus, the updates that are continuously in development and the new management is sure to push the playercount further.

Kiwi 05-22-2013 10:51 PM
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Posted by KRAKATOA (Post 355604)
Yup, the graphics team is currently working hard on a new tileset, I think this will make zone way more attractive than it currently is. I believe it's worth the wait.
A new tileset doesn't magically fix gameplay that just doesn't work well. A new tileset shouldn't be priority; the priority whould be something to actually go back to.

Castør 05-22-2013 11:04 PM
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Posted by Kiwi (Post 355687)
A new tileset doesn't magically fix gameplay that just doesn't work well. A new tileset shouldn't be priority; the priority whould be something to actually go back to.
This. We shouldn't be given a handful of bull**** and told that it'll be okay as long as new graphics are set up. iZone was rumored to have been complete in January of 2012. When was it released? December 2012. But of course the server wasn't totally complete at all. It lacked important content and hosted a horrible mess of a gameplay system.

metal 05-22-2013 11:14 PM
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Posted by Kiwi (Post 355687)
A new tileset doesn't magically fix gameplay that just doesn't work well. A new tileset shouldn't be priority; the priority whould be something to actually go back to.
^^^^^^^^^

Shiz 05-22-2013 11:20 PM
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Posted by Kiwi (Post 355687)
A new tileset doesn't magically fix gameplay that just doesn't work well. A new tileset shouldn't be priority; the priority whould be something to actually go back to.
New Tileset>New Things>More Jobs>Better PK>Entertainment>Fun>Attracting players.

WhileLoop 05-23-2013 02:20 AM
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Posted by Reece (Post 355670)
Tbh, im kind of happy with the 100 players so far. Yeah it's nowhere near as large as iEra or iClassic's playerbase but taking into consideration that these two servers have had atleast 2 years to build a loyal playerbase, the fact Zone was underdeveloped when it was released (in my opinion) and that when Matt left Zone had approximately 30 - 50 players a day, 100 players is good enough for me right now. Plus, the updates that are continuously in development and the new management is sure to push the playercount further.
Swish. Three pointer, team Reece. It's a work in progress; it was released prematurely and is still in development. Some understand this and are okay with a low playercount. Hell, PC servers thrived for years on playercounts below 200 and nobody complained. It's not a bad thing, and it certainly is not a failure. It is a work in progress. Wait for the end product before letting your "now now now" mentality to take over. There is no room for uninformed "scrap it" ideas and heinous put-downs.

EDIT: and no, Seabiscuit, I'm not looking for a fight. I'm just a naysayer. To the contrary, I am encouraging him to convince me otherwise. Treat it not as an argument, but as an opportunity to make your point. If you really want your idea to sell, convince your opposition to buy. It is apparent that he hasn't a leg to stand on with making a suggestion as spineless as this. If the only response is to point out my lack of support, with no attempt made to defend his idea, then yes, it looks headed toward a flame war. Trust me, I'll back out before it gets to that point ;-).

Infernus Lapse 05-23-2013 02:28 AM
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Posted by WhileLoop (Post 355645)
Don't doom your "brain blast" by turning it into a flame thread.




Linkin Park and JayZ risked their fanbase by collaborating. Some liked it, some hated it. Do you think loyal JayZ fans would appreciate if he made nothing but LPJZ collaborations?
The fact that you found a way to make both a Jimmy Neutron and a LP/JZ Collision Course reference in the same post is simply genius for one of your first posts. +rep, and you now have my respect.

Shurikan 05-23-2013 03:45 AM
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Posted by ShizGodsu (Post 355709)
New Tileset>New Things>More Jobs>Better PK>Entertainment>Fun>Attracting players.
Hey man, and this is coming from a fellow gfx artist. As much as I would love a new tileset, it will not lead to new things. You start with 'New Things' from ideas and then work your way down. At the moment the main problem is not the tileset. (while many do not like it) it Is important to focus on content and then eventually after the content is made begin to fix up gfx and bad looking objects.
Instead focus making graphics for new quest or features players can try.

Astram 05-23-2013 04:27 AM
What Zone needs is some exploration, Zone is the only server I know of that is just one area that is filled up with shops everywhere. There are no places to explore or interact with unless your doing some sort of minigame like a mission, pvp arena battle, or a spar. However, on other servers like Classic and Era, the GMAP isn't 100% all shops and stores. There are actually a few nice landscapes to venture to, but in Zone it's one big space station with nothing to do besides minigames. Fixing this could cause Zone to probably be more successful than it's current state.


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