What determines good and bad sparring?
 

What things make you think someone is bad or good at sparring?

I see people complain about others and I see people say others are good at times when I don't quite see it.

I wonder what most people think makes someone good or bad.

check their stats

Maybe I should have said, what do people like and dislike about how others spar? Or is there a right or wrong way to spar?

Some positive sparrers are worse than me. You can't just determine a person by their stats. They can face newbs all the time and have 10:1 rating.

A good sparrer to me is someone who only uses their main account to spar on. It shows that they don't care as much for ratios compared to someone who uses noob accounts to "practice spar".

-Not raging after a match
-Not cocky
-Not selective sparring underrated players


Now what I like about how other people spar is they have their own style, which is unique and challenging sometimes. I have no problems with people who rushes their oppenent, stays on walls, lags, runs, ect. To be honest, everyone else shouldn't have a problem with that either. You know better than to click the queue button and expect to have a solid-going match.

What I dislike about how other people spar is only if they intentionally lag, speed hack, invisibility hack, or logs off during the match. Other then that, I'm pretty easy going with the whole spar issues like so many other players have.

Winning...

Top of the leader board on their main account.

Ignorant scrubs who know they lag/delay, being French, Aussie, or Japanese, and are at the top of the leaderboards and boast like there's no tomorrow...all this makes a bad sparrer.

This. People who blames others because of their race and where they live. It's their fault because they live where they are? No. People like him are at the bottom of the Spar Community. Not trying to start anything, but it is just a game. No reason to hate anyone because of their nationality/race.

I have seen a few statuses these days saying "if you live in Japan don't play graal because you ruin the game for everyone else". Not exactly kind eh.

None taken. Not hating, someone could be from the US and still know they lag/delay excessively and still brag about their wins. Frankly, I find it pathetic to brag about anything at all about this game.

made me lol late at night

lol a sparring thread

Winning against others makes you a good sparrer. You don't become a good sparrer by losing obviously.

Hacking good sparrers

Spar is full of delayers and intentional laggers[even if half say they don't](by that I don't mean they haven't got good style of sparring but some take it to next level)

Maybe people that complain about, running, wallsparring, or spamming are in the minority. I was expecting more of that.

I agree that whatever wins, outside of cheating, is good sparring. I also actually like seeing players from other countries. Maybe soon internet speeds will be so good that distance won't cause so much lag.

Think what Aaron meant is that delayers who make constant status's about how they're the greatest sparrer of all time are annoying and bad which I agree. Obviously, people cannot help if they delay or lag, but if someone wins cause there lag or delay saved them from getting hit like 3-4 times on clear shots, then they shouldn't be bragging. And I think Vlad said this, that there's a join queue button so you should know every spar should have a chance of you getting a lagger and you shouldn't complain. The laggers who brag after, people already know they're bad and they just get bad reputations by being cocky assholes.

What in my opinion differentiates a good sparrer from a great sparrer is the ability to constantly adapt and to learn how to face and beat different opponents with different styles from all different parts of the world.

wow you kinda described me sparring

Nice bro

becca == best sparrer

laggers can be very skilled

Some players abuse their lag. I won't say who, but when they are about to die, they are starting to lag really bad.

I will say who zax and muffinman they should both be banned

For me, a great sparrer doesn't even need a good statistic, just someone who spars and takes a lose as a win, and a win as a win. Someone, who doesn't complain and enjoys the sparring because it's fun, no matter against whom. At all, just a fair sportsman.

Sparring isn't a social event. Never will be and never has been something where you can claim you are good or claim that someone is bad just by saying it. You can't chat your way into having a reputation as a sparrer, and I won't even get into a list of people who stress over trying to do it because I find it sort of embarrassing.

You're a bad sparrer when you lose over and over and make excuses for it. You're bad when you refuse to blame yourself, because you're not even making an attempt at taking up some responsibility and improving. You're a very awful sparrer when someone beats you and you immediately resort to bringing up your iOS keyboard to frantically type "OMG NOOB" or "OMG DELAY" as fast as possible. You are probably a bad sparrer if you spend half of your time in the Battle Arena chatting instead of sparring. There's a really, really good chance that you are an overrated, average-tier, unconfident sparrer if you literally stress over spar points and feel so overwhelmed with joy when you finally reach the #1 spot that you can't resist but make a status about it.

You are a good sparrer if you beat people and don't cry and make excuses when you lose. I don't even know how you can question if someone is a good sparrer. It's pretty easy to prove. If someone were to call me a bad sparrer, I'd tell them that I am better than them and then make multiple efforts to prove it and embarrass them, because that's the only thing enjoyable to me in this game. If someone consistently beats you, and others, you're dumb for saying they're bad. If you're too scared of scarring your reputation on this bad game and refuse to even spar them and would rather gossip and talk about them then you're a fan.

Even if you have a trash attitude, the social part of the games means 0 in the sparring community. That is why I can say Zeross was a good sparrer on PC. His attitude was disgusting and he behaved like a clown, but he would beat you in a spar. If you're cocky or arrogant then it doesn't matter, no one can take away the fact that you can beat them straight up in a spar. All they can do is whine about it.

TLDR

I love you.

zeross didn't take losses too well in recent years. to me, he lacked the mindset of someone who can accept that, and that is why he will not improve much further.

although with the "dead spar community" nowadays, it shouldn't matter.

Character. Character determines whether the Graalian is a good or bad sparrer. I honestly don't care if I lose to a good sparrer or a bad. It's the bragging and the "You sucks" or "You lags" that I hate. It's not my fault if I occasionally spar on my 2G iPod or if I want to use my computer. Just get the hell over with it.

This is why you are my spar idol.

Imma stop BSin. A good sparrer is one who wins spars despite whether or not they talk s***. Attitude has nothing to do with it. If a great sparrer is a person who walks around the spar arena telling everyone else how good they are at spar, yet they can't win one themselves, then I'd damned.

I think the question was "good or bad sparring", not "good or bad sparrers".

1000th post, i've spent too long here.

... here i go posting on one of those spar threads again... honestly i didnt read much of this so im replying to noone in particular

Honestly i do believe the spar rating system is a good judge of good/bad, unless youre boosting. Theres not a correct/incorrect way to spar; wall spar and running and spamming etc are lame excuses, theyre just different spar stategies. If you fall for the same cheap move 6 times, then lol@u

Thallen's post had stuff about a being a good sparrer, which is what my post is about, so I went on and added to what makes a good sparrer. Why not eh ?

I don't think attitude affects his sparring negatively. I think some few people get better when they trash talk. He's won so many tournaments, I don't think there's need for improvement with him really, he's obviously one of the best few sparrers.

Take what you said and replace zeross with qes to be more accurate.

I wish all servers had a spar record for your account vs other accounts.
I hear so many people say they have a winning record against almost every sparrer. Unless you're in top 5 or 10 ranks, you probably don't at all.

Irrelevant too, lol. Thallen types a lot. :/

Hmm. Qes.. Questionable. But I have seen negative attitudes affect the mind during a spar and change the way a person spars or thinks of sparring many times, including a number of times dealing with Zeross. He is good, and he has the ability to bypass anger, although when he doesn't, he really does suffer.

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What does this even mean?

Zeross was good enough to do what every really good sparrer eventually does, which is get bored of the game and leave it alone. There's really nothing left to accomplish on UN anymore after you poop on every sparrer.

I took this thread as separating good and bad sparrers from each other, since "good and bad sparring" isn't even worth discussing because it's obvious and can't really be questioned. How can anything other than cheating/hacking in any way be considered "bad?" If someone were to say "spamming" or "walling" (I still refuse to use either term because they're just ******ed, on PC we call that double-slashing and sparring defensively) is bad then that's even more reason for you to do it, because obviously they don't like it and probably spar poorly against it.

There's too much "bad" in the sparring community, in every way you can twist the word. On PC, the upper-tier sparring community were all pretty friendly with one another. We all self-hosted leagues and tournaments, we'd meet every other night to do huge and competitive tag spar events, etc. On iClassic (or at least last time I played), it's all drama and chitchat. There's like a half-dozen sparrers I actually have some sort of respect for and can say I enjoy sparring, win or lose.

I actually made this thread one day when I was annoyed by people complaining about wall sparring, spamming, etc. Those are tools used to win, I don't find them insulting, but I hope people don't avoid sparring like they want to just because other people make fun of them. If you listen to people who want you to spar easy on them so they can win you won't get any better.

The spar community stinks nowadays... Everyone is always upset at losses, quick to make excuses and blame others (or the server), and are far too proud of themselves for their own good. Also, people tend to get a high rating and leave it there, without sparring it away. I did that a week or so ago and let me tell you, it really is easy to rocket up the ranks if you only spar semi-actively! What we need is an active, respectful spar community with guilds full of members that will help each other improve.

This is good sparring imo.

Honestly, there are no 'better' sparrers. We all have our weak points... I will not deny being a really ego-tistical sparrer back when I cared about stats. But there will never be 'good', we will always lose to someone, no matter what or when.

On the other hand, attitude does come into play when you want to become respected. You can't rage at people and expect it to be blown off in a matter of seconds, it lingers. So, a 'good' sparrer would watch their mouths and stuff. So, anyone could be a 'good' sparrer if they tried.

Still not convinced that attitude determines if you're good or bad. The sparring community would be boring as hell if you were all respectful drones.

David and Jack are good examples of good sparrers. Not only are they probably 2 of the top 5 sparrers on iClassic, but they don't turn sparring into some corny social event. They just queue up, spar, get bored, then leave. They also obviously prefer to be at a top spot on the leaderboards without obsessing over it, which is sort of healthy for that part of the community. The PC leaderboards have been the same for months, anyway. They spar really straight, too. Never any type of delay, never hugging the wall or doing whatever else. Some people can't help but delay and others spar best when they play defensively, but the higher-skilled sparrers have always sparred really offensively. That's just the most fun way to spar, and eventually you get to the point where you know you're good and you can spar to your preference and for fun rather than solely for a desperate win.

I'd point out my idea of "bad" sparrers but it'd bring a lot of butthurt and people would probably make dramatic statuses whining about it. They know who they are, anyway.

I disagree with always. That is all.

A good sparrer spends 10 years on graal, Thallen.

Also a good sparrer doesn't boast about how great they are. (Take note iherc, Thallen, all of mother, some sage and US)

Nope. If that's what you have to tell yourself as an excuse for why you (or anyone else is) bad, then that sucks. I have 0 idea who you are or why you're butthurt towards me in recent posts.

Literally every single person or guild you just listed is known for sparring well.
?????????? Did you try to make yourself seem stupid, or did that happen accidentally in that post? "You aren't a good sparrer because you have a personality that I dislike!" Good luck ever being a winner, at anything.

Also, if you take my playful bragging and parading myself as "the best" seriously, then the joke's on you I guess. But again, I don't know who you are or how you know anything about my personality. You probably don't, you probably just see me at #1, read my status, and experience intense emotion. It's meant to entertain, not get you angry.

99% chance this dude hasn't even stepped into the Battle Arena and sparred in weeks, and that's the kind of input that always degenerates sparring threads. It's beyond me why people who don't spar even bother to crawl their way into these threads.

+rep #boomRoasted

The attitude of a pathetic old man who's taken the game way too serious. Ranting on and on about how bad people are at sparring. Xenthic obviously loves to pk, what's wrong with that? You like to spar, and the jackasses always ranting about skill and what not are the sparrers. Sparrers like you are the true degenerates around here. They've become so fascinated with the skill they think they have on an insignificant game, and they don't care for socializing, they just want to spar to show off stats and brag. You call that a true sparrer? I call that a lifeless drone. Realize this, your spar record and skill on Graal is so insigificant to anything in the world and it will never get you anywhere. People like you need to get over your spar stats on a game and realize this: Nobody cares. Maybe you guys brag about it so much on Graal and make fun of others so much because if you told someone irl about it you'd get made fun of. Now let me ask you this: When's the last time you stepped outside the arena? Old man, get off your rocking chair and get some fresh air before you rot your life away.

Lol didn't think you would write that much, obviously shows how much your into sparring old man.

Its clear to me that youre full of **** old man. You know damn well who xenthic is, any tryhard loser like you that spends all day looking at stats and leader boards cant possibly miss xenthic. Stop being fake with your statements, be honest with your post and don’t try so hard to say what makes you look good in front of the community because eventually youre going to tangle yourself in your own lies, just like your puppy rezon.

Lol oh god now its playful bragging lol youre such a pathetic lil man (lil old man) be real noob even you don’t believe your own bull**** lol

Ask yourself the same question lol

Theres no way youre emo panda. I don’t remember him being a lil ass kissing noob.