Why is pbp 20 damage again >.<
 

Explain, why is the pbp now a super OP gun again and why is the gun admins making steps backwards towards balanced weapons. Dont give me its that 125 and the m3 was more powerful than it. It was still OP as it had a extreme rate of fire and a faster time to kill time than m3. Now the pbp is a fking god gun again. Jesus admins cant you just make shotguns no stack damage and then this type of stuff wont pop up again >_>

Im betting 20$ that rec did this. I see him complain about how pbp was "underpowered and dominated by m3" in bases.

No it's not, if all 4 bullets hit its a 15 damage, just tested it.

Plus on PBP there is hit registration time.

Admins wanna fu** everything up first the jobs and now the guns

O rly now, i was getting hit by a guy with pbp it was dealing 20 dmg on me

To be honest I don't know, I test guns in PK arena every time someone says something on graalians regarding gun, looked fine to me to be honest, try again and see if the problem occurs again.

I think you got lucky and were hit by all 4 bullets but ate one. And that proves my point again, the bullets before dealt 3 dmg per bullet and 4 in perfect condition. Now its dealing 5dmg per bullet if you took 15 damage and whats 5x3? 15.

Pbp has no hit register timer, im still being molested by pbps and their super high ROF. I think you mean on the spawn the have a timer.

I don't know, I'm not a gun admin to check the stats fully

Notice how we didnt have these problems when shotguns wernt stacked

I don't know, all I know I miss Meph :( he propa wrapped you in game asked you the problem and tested it publicly in underground/comples spar to identify the problem and fix it.

Sam is a good Gun Admin, but everyone has there own style in working.

I think Ghettoicetea is high.

so much QQ

TAPATALK Y U NO LET ME PLUS REP?!

mushroom knifes are slower now... next on the nerf list trash pick

Lol they nerfed shroom knifes? Rofl.

Dude stfu already, pbp is 125k it should be overpower. Enough crying about how op the pbp is. Just deal with it

@SNK
Cloyd said he'd love to be GA again. Pm him!!!
We all know out of everyone we had, him and Masa were the best.

Nothing should be OP. It makes the game pointless and pay2win.

If it does 20 dmg then someone has cocked it up big time

Snk probably too busy on the new forum to read anything here now.

I read what he said about NOT updating graalians, which is complete BS!

Ah well. All the noobs will sign up to an era forum and spam him. Then they will come running back here begging us for ideas again

No one likes people like you.

Get off these forums now.

Oooooooooh cloyd was good.

If cloyd comes back there might be some hope left in this xD

Lower the damage on PBP GUN
Damage: 5

PBP seems fine to me. Regardless about the high damage, you should be able to dodge it as the freeze rate is higher than most other basing guns.

its easy to manuver around but dat spread makes it incredible hard to dodge, also the fact it can send a follow up shot fast after that makes it even harder to beat at range. What i do is fight spam with spam, whip out the M8A1 and spam away, works 75% of the time.

Well, I've seen it for myself in basing and half the time is a 2-3 shot kill. I would suggest lowering the spread and the amount of bullets it eject. But the damage and freeze should stay the same.

First off, pbp is overpowered by damage, yes. Yet, if you have the skill to, it is actually not hard to dodge. For crying out loud, my friend used an M16 to KO a pbp spammer in spar. Also, pbp has abit of freeze so it balances out with the so called OP damage. Pretty much worth it.

Just make distance and you should be fine.

omg i like to meet cloyd x.x

Thats spar, try basing at range, its quite deadly.

That's weird, the m3 only does 12 damage so i dont know why it would still beat the pbp I'll have a look , idk why he would buff it (if he did) because we were going to nerf it slightly. I think we said a higher bullet reg time so players aren't just spamming it

oh give me a brake with this bullet registration crap, just lower the damn rate of fire.

i noticed that too bout the M3

Just get rid if stacked damage guns .-.

The next person who suggests that, I'm going to flip out.

Stacked damage is fine as long as long as its handled correctly. It's when the total stacked damage is too high is when that's bad. Guns without stacked damage aren't shotguns. You'd be making shotguns deadlier without stacked damage, especially if you're far away from the gun when you get hit with a stray bullet.

Shock it cant be done. If era had 100hp then shotguns would have no problem at all the way they were.

Make iEra have 100 hp and double the damage with weapons.
it wouldn't do anything but this thread is about nothing anyway.

It costs alot. Have you ever considered that?

So does the Bar, argument irrelevant.

It's summertime and the kiddos are out of school. It's a good way to generate revenue by making something OP so everyone wants it.. They'll probably nuke it months later.
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Again.

I'm not falling for it, this game is for nubz.

THE KIDDOS ARE LOSER NUBS WHO SNIFF MY *****

There's always a way. I even gave intelligent suggestions showing how it could work (in another thread someplace). No one wants to listen, and that's fine. Graal is getting boring.

And also, another point of argument, it can be done. Because the KSG does decimal damage. The same thing could be implemented on all shotguns. But anyway, alot of games have a damage system that varies or is based in chance. Bullets could even act like those, each that hit have a possible 3-5 damage randomly, giving nearly different damage each blast.

No i gave a actualy made a list to where all the BAR is par to m4 tomphson etc where the bars kill shot went from 5 bullets to 6 but leaving a target hardly alive at 4Hp i think. too lazy to dig

But it would still be OP. 12-20 damage with that rate of fire is OP no matter what.

On another similar note why can't the shotgun spawn killing thing be fixed? I think someone said this was fixed before but it didnt seem to be fixed yesterday.

i noticed a little bit of a difference, but its not the 3 seconds of protection time against shotguns like snk said.

It's like 1/2 a second against shotguns and 2 or 3 against normal guns

3-5 was just and example. I mean, you can tweak these guns to make them equal to their cost/fairness. 3-4 damage would be better. You could even go to the extreme of the two middle bullets of the spread staying at 3 damage and the bullets on the ends having a possible 3-4 damage. There are alot of options if you know how to think about the possibilities.

its still OP shock, your not getting it.

By your idea this is how it would look

Lowest chance would be 3-3-3-3= 12damage,
4-3-3-3 = 13 damage
3-4-3-3
3-3-4-3
3-3-3-4

3-3-4-4 = 14 damage
4-3-4-3
4-4-3-3
3-4-3-4

3-4-4-4 = 15 damage
4-4-4-3
4-4-3-4
4-3-4-4

4-4-4-4 = 16 damage

That is ever single possibility and the range would be between 12-16.
With the ROF of a pbp with the damage your still getting less than 5 shots per kill and that dosen't help the current situation, it would still not make anything better.

next idea would be 2-3 damage

all the possibilities would be
2-2-2-2= 8 damage

3-2-2-2 = 9 damage
2-3-2-2
2-2-3-2
2-2-2-3

3-3-2-2 = 10 damage
2-3-3-2
2-2-3-3
2-3-2-3
3-2-2-3

3-3-3-2 = 11 damage
3-2-3-3
3-3-2-3
3-3-3-2

3-3-3-3 = 12 damage

That would help things a lot more as the 9 damage would completely screw people over making the gun a 6 shot gun

make the clip 4 or 5
with a 8-9-10-11-12
all completely random within 1 clip. it can be a different order 8-9-10-11-12
a example would be
shot 1 = 12
shot 2 = 8
shot 3 = 9
shot 4 = 11
shot 5 = 10
these orders could be changed around again and again.

This could work

You are aware that those total shots are for point blank full blast shots? Depending on the shotgun and the clip size, my range numbers are quite good. It's especially good for damage variation at different distances, since most players try to dodge and eat 2-3 bullets at a time. So really, you're looking at less damage for players in an actual combat situation, not just a point blank damage rating.