Kate
 

As most of you probably know,but incase you didn't SON has changed to Kate. Their leader Kate does this for the GST if you where wondering. I just wanted to point out the fact even when SON is not SON its still owning the crap out of castle. My point being it would not surprise me one bit if SON turned into Kate when SON hits whatever goal its after and still continue to own and camp at castle 24/7 365.

What then? IMO unless several guilds finally come together to rise up and opposes the noob horde known as SON it will always have castle.

I think they just want another hat.

Some people take this game way to seriously. You going to insult someone just because they are better than you? Grow up a bit.

Let them do it, Its not towering is an achievement anymore

what kind of egotistical ****** names a guild after herself
and what kind of spineless idiots join follow along and join in
wow

there's a "Thallen Fan Club" that was made as a bit of a joke, but you'd never see me expecting people to get fort hours on such a douchebag guild tag

*cough* Aimee and Liz *cough*

Was this directed towards me or Vader? I wasn't poking fun just stating fact and my opinion. No I do not like SON,or how they do things but Kate's noob methods are effective. Like I said in another thread the fact that son owns castle damn near 24/7 should show the admins its to easy to own/defend and should be changed. No it probably wouldn't be right or fair to SON but I would like to see if they can still camp at castle with the re-spawn changed and the flag hp lowered by a lot.

Both those guilds were made as a joke never with intentions of towering lol.

It's not the fact that they are BETTER. It is the fact that they use incredibly cheap tactics to get hours which is why they get bashed. If you are unfamiliar, they noob recruit. Alot. But don't get me wrong, it's great that they give noobs a chance, but anyone can do it, but they don't because it is cheap free labour.

Just like asian kid factories. Anyone can do it. But no one does.

Bottom Line: Castle HP should be 75.
SON isn't very good, even if they have twenty people online they can it can be taken with five people. The fact that they manage to hold castle amazes me. As for Kate, what can I say? She's obsessed with her Graal Boyfriend, Names her guild after herself, Her main guild was a copy of the name "Brotherhood of Ninjas", and she has a majorly boosted spar score.

If anyone can do it, why don't you do it and stop bitching?

That is why. Its an exagerated comparison of course, but it is still true.

And did you even read what i said? Or did your ignorance filter it out? I said that I like the fact that they give nubs a chance. I do not see the bitching.

Son was around before Bon lol it's just that noone took them serious. I still agree with my theory that there old leaders lag is the reason they got 1k and without them getting 1k they wouldn't be getting 10k therefore without that dude's lag they wouldn't be anywhere lol. If you were around for there old leader you'd know how bad his lag was and alot of the old leaders lol. (Freezing in front of doors for 10 minutes and hitting the flag without taking damage).

I remember asuka... That frenchies lag was bad lol

bitching.

Not really bitching, it's more that Castle (in my experiences) is the fort where strength in numbers offers a ridiculous and unbalanced advantage, despite how skilled or whatever strategy you want to use when trying to take the fort. Guilds should not be able to hold forts just because they have a lot of people, that is a joke when it comes to keeping towers competitive.

If your argument is "Just do what they're doing!" then you're probably not understanding the issue. I think the issue is that people want towers to be enjoyable, competitive, and active. The general strategy that has dominated Castle for months has been to recruit an insane number of people and have them just sit around. Other forts can obviously be defended by greater numbers, but at Castle it's not even close to be being balanced. The only way you lose that fort with a large number of people is if you're a potato.

The fact that anyone can do what they're doing obviously makes it fair, but it's not even a matter of fairness. It's people complaining because they want towers to be fun, and their opinion is that the strategy to dominate Castle in the easiest way is not fun at all.

Like I said in another thread, guilds need to be remodeled so that:

• You must have at least a week of time in the guild to participate in the GST
• You must have 24 hours of time in the guild to guild spar and enter forts

This will alleviate a ton of issues related to this scenario and others. Even still, someone should consider nerfing the Castle flag's HP a bit.

Don't you think being in a guild for 24 hours to enter a fort would draw players (especially the new ones) away from towering? Maybe let them be 24 hours in the guild to hit the flag, but they still could get into the fort and help. But I dunno really, this sounds like hard to balance.

I don't know about that really, but all I know is the current meta of towers is stupid as hell. Here is what you do:

1. Create a main guild and five subs
2. Recruit your core members
3. Have your core members desperately spam invites to anyone and everyone who comes to the fort

That is literally all you have to do to hold a tower. Towers are hardly a competition between one guild's skill at taking it from another, the entire tower system is all about the power you have in recruiting. To me, that's just stupid. If you want competitive, active, and fun towers then there wouldn't be 5 different tower guilds with the same dozen members bleeding into each other. Find a way to penalize that and reward loyalty in some way.

I quit towering with my guild at 130ish hours because that's when it finally sank in that it wasn't about proving that my group of members was better than another, it was about knowing the right people, kissing ass, begging people to help you, and recruiting like nuts. That's fuuun. Make some basic restrictions on towers and guild sparring and the quality of guilds would improve tenfold.

Classic is not designed to be "fun".

Well, I would support the restrictions to the towering system but as said, the only point I don't know about is if that would draw away new players from towering.., maybe let a guild recruit only 20 (or any number you want) people a day? It would be a mess, however the guild would need to start recruiting selectivly and not everyone they see.., but this would disadvantage beginners as well.

I'm really hoping that with the new rule for guilds with GST that maybe it means we will be seeing some more changes being made to guilds in the near future. Players will always be attracted to the "Admin guilds" but we need to change the system so there is more reason to make or join a guild, and stay loyal to that guild name. The whole idea of sub guilds needs to go as well. I'd rather have actual guild allies rather than a bunch of people kissing ass for a core spot.

you recruiting?

i'm ready to start my guild to attack castle a lot.We need to end the reign of queen of stupidity kate

Yeah my guild took castle and what they did to take it back was of course noob recruit but also they all entered guild house right outside the enterance to flag, they got rid of that at york for a reason and that is the only reason they took it back, I think an admin needs to fix it so they can't enter houses right outside the enterance to flag cause they just regroup there.

I didn't think you could enter a house/gh from inside any of the towers? @ Thallen: I like the idea of dropping the flag hp to 75 or 100. I don't see how limiting noob recruiting would help balance towering that much? Would you rather have it set up like the other towers except york where you are able to keep or lose the tower based on how well you can keep the flag room blocked off?

Even if your guild has more defenders than attackers if you cant get to the flag you will lose the tower. How many guilds in a day do you think lose control of Mod because they got blocked legally or by cheap lag/chat blocking and cant get to flag to defend it? I don't think thats how towering should be either.

I agree 100% with Albus sub guilds need nerfed.

u tryna start a fyte m8? u wot

In castle you can, which is how SoN can take it back imediately.

If its such a problem you should noob recruit

Not sure if this would help, but make it so allied guilds can't have any of the same guild members. Everyone can only be in one guild at a time. The exception is for people who own guilds, they may be in one other guild of their choice, but those two guilds can't be allied with each other. If someone gets kicked from a guild or leaves, they must wait 24 hours before they can be recruited to a guild again. To help against noobcruiting and kicking people for bad reason, there should be a limit for how many people a guild can recruit and kick within a 24 hour time period.

All I see right now is everyone bitching about how we have castle and how we get it back and I remember pig joining SON before 5k just for the hat *~* and we only went on Kate tag because of GST and Kate the guild was give to Kate she didn't name it *.* y'all should know the past before bitch about it.

No idea who this even is, but based on this post, a SON member.

1.) The only reason you have castle and get it back is because you have a team of thirty noobs, and the flag is 250. Does it make sense that the tower with the farthest spawn points for attackers and a very close spawn for defenders has the highest health? No.

2.) Does it matter if Pig joined for the hat? It's not like you even have anyone to give it to... unless you want players with 10 hours to have your 5k hat.

3.) Without Kate that guild is pathetic... and she isn't even that good herself. I once went on tag, 80% of the time she is afk and does not even know to lead her pack of rabid noobs...

4.) :love:

Sounds like somebody is jealous

Well obviously since you like to talk about stuff you don't know (which is a lot) I'll help clarify, I joined son at 3k and left at 4k, i joined because I had a friend in son so i decided to help them, And yes I totally expected to recieve son's 1k hat which they already passed out at 1k and can no longer pass out again, and I totally expected son's 5k hat at 4k hours, so good job! You proved that I wanted son's hat!

^_^ alot jelly people here I can see and these noob " are people want to help and ask for tag " we give them a chance to be in a guild and have experience. O: and yes I am a son noob ^_^

Could you work on our grammar please? As Bigfoot has said to someone else before, it's really annoying when people use poor grammar, don't know if its my OCD or not.

I hate when people go off topic as well...

This thread is not "hating" its stating a fact. Kate is selfish. I help son once and she was afk, barking orders, and recruiting noobs all the time. Almost all the members are players who are new and do not get a sub tag. You sir, are only here to defend your petty guild. No one likes SON. Not because we are "haters" but because of how awful they are. Kate takes advantage of these noobs. Its highly unfair. Plus, shes making half of these noobs who call blueh a noob and go around marrying all day with their swag. Thats why people "hate kate and son.

someone call the fire department, 'cause we gotta flame over here!

Why is this allowed???

^^^Me Likey

I would never EVER defend Kate or her lousy guild,but in all fairness anybody can recruit noobs,and do the same thing she does. I think there could be place like in mod where after you reach x amount of hours you can apply for a guild permit. That would basically be a piece of paper that would go in your inventory that states your able to be in a guild. You would have to go through a short tutorial and then take a tower. It would be an ez set up like 1 defender with 1 health and a flag with 10hp. Then once you pass you get the permit and 500 gralats. Anybody that all ready has an account before a certain date wouldn't be subject to this,but could do it just to get the free gralats.

Hmm...I think I might actually like this idea.

while sparring on pc, i saw kate and aidan at sparring telling me to fk off.

i didnt, they acted like there sparring eachother and kate keeps winning. -.-

Its amazing how much response you get from a SON/Kate thread.

I'm not sure if I've ever seen a positive or helpful post from you. I'm pretty sure you're not staff on iClassic and I'm positive you had nothing to do with building the server originally (since you weren't around), so that's just an empty statement. Might as well have just not posted it at all.

Dont get me started on kate and her cronies they really are bad at towering. Before when asuka was leader i got to know him and he was alright. Then kate got to be leader and now no one likes son because of the way the defend towers and there attitude to other players stinks badly

All you do is complain about son and agree with everyone else who hates them

Its not like i have jumped on the bandwagon. i started graal back in january of 2012 and joined them about a week of playing classic and i detested it alot as it was just a lazy guild and i quit after 5 minutes.

Since then i have always looked at son badly and they have got worse in regards with noob recuriting over the months for kates quest to get 10k and give her lover aidan some virtuial loveing

10/10 must do^^^^^

Holy crap! She has like 20 accounts! That shouldnt ba allowed!

And they all have customs

yep, preeety much


These screnarios is what usally happens:

1.)*tells guild*"Guys! SoN has 3 Members and only 1 is awake! Hurry!"*starts attacking*"WTF!?! SoN has 15 members in the flag room!?! Even more are coming!!"

2.)*tells guild*"Guys, son is low, all castle, hide in my gh!"*gets everyone ready*"Goooo! YES WE TOOK IT!!"*SoN comes back 10 minutes later with 15 members*"WTF WHERE DID THEY COME FROM!?!?"