July 2013 GST
 

So as you all know today was the big day for the 2013 July gst. Everyone was so excited about it and anticipating it. I'm not going to lie it was a great gst full of competition and skill. YET there were a lot of issues that staff definitely needs to stop dodging because US graalians aren't as stupid as our avatars dress. Firstly, as a member of 'mi5e' please explain to me how we got disqualified after our first round, yet in past gst's and this one as well, other banned players that participated in the event were NOT. I find this absolutely hilarious! Please will someone who helped administrate this tournament explain to me how 'vDragz' still sparred until they lost around the third or fourth round i can't remember with a banned member. That's funny (: because we won fair and square but then got disqualified.

This post isn't to cry about not getting a hat or to get anything back because the tourney is done with i can care less about a statue or anything but what i do care about is the unfairness between my guild and what happened and guilds like vDragz and also other guilds in the past. Having a banned member is wrong yes i know, but what blame does the guild have besides having him on the team cheering on his team? He was put as a sub to cheer us on but he accidentally queued. If staff members found out he was a banned member i agree yes ban him because he's avoiding ban, but really disqualify the whole team for something that wasn't intended to do? It is so funny how everyone reported us and in all realness admins have no proof that it was even a banned member. They assumed since the massive spam of reports that it was an absolute truth that it was someone who was banned. So what if there wrong? How in their stuck up heads would they explain to us if he wasn't banned yet they disqualified us? What an amazing pair of staff there is today, bravo classic, bravo.

Aside from this bull load of mi5e, how funny is it that in the idevice tourney you still let the team of entire delayers get so far. It was obvious they sparred on something other than a stable connection such as 3g or even 4g, maybe something else JUST to be able to get a cheap win. The number of reports and claims was also high on there behalf. WHERES THE DISQUALIFICATION? DID YOU EVEN CARE TO CHECK? NOPE! Stop pretending you care about what we want because if you did no one would ever complain about a single admin in this game, any event, or anything you guys fail to produce. I'm done.

Yea, you are crying. Take the lose as an experience and stop being that arrogant. And the point of being banned means not to be able to play the game, so he shouldn't even be able to "cheer for you". Also, you aren't the only team what got ****ed up, yet only you open a thread on here. Yes, the staff moderating needs improvement, but so do players, aswell.

I was disappointed that you were removed from the tournament to be honest. I'd been trying to get onto the team for about two weeks now before we made our own. However, one of the staff team members is EP's brother. I don't think that 'is it him? is it not?' can be questioned really lol.

OKay i clearly said that i'm not here to cry about anything i'm just saying that next gst to actually not slack off and to do their job and make it fair. Yea it is quite the damn experience thank you very much and if you knew anything you'd know it wasn't a loss. Sorry to hear that maybe your team got messed with as well.

I mean unless you asked neo if it was him then okay maybe i should of just kept my mouth shut because i did see this coming. Yet, from a source he didn't see ep on graal or anything.

If they DQ'd everyone for delay/lag that late they'd have to redo every match where everyone won which would be quite a drag. They do delay horribly but even so it's not impossible to beat them. It's best to train your team to handle that kind of situation for the future tourney's because I've learned complaining about delay does nothing even though it is bs lol.

And really it wasn't too big of a deal about Mi5e, they should of just banned EP instead of disqualifying the whole team lol anyone who reported them was just scared of the result if they fought them.

And rufus is also at fault for this gsts chaos cus he haxxed lol

Well, it may be your attitude which makes your reply rather sound cry/raging at all. But really, staff aren't the only ones to be blamed. You have to decide whether your acting is wrong or not, but at the end, no matter what you do, you'll be hated for your decision. Excuse me if I offended you, but ya thread just doesn't sound right from the point of a reader, and not a member of (mi5e).

He did lol.

"And really it wasn't too big of a deal about Mi5e, they should of just banned EP instead of disqualifying the whole team lol anyone who reported them was just scared of the result if they fought them." THANK YOU SO MUCH ! That is what we found out because firstly no one had any proof of who it was but once someone thought it was him they spread it around to their little friends (: so all in all they were scared, point blank.

in my guild, The Monarchy we faced Hexxon and not all their players were warped in so Leah warped them in for them but when we asked to warp someone in who was not warped in she ignored us then later when i pmed her about it she said that we did not tell her we needed a sub warped in. So guess who lost cause admins can't keep it together?

Punish the player, not the team...

No matter if scared or not, staying fair is the best way.

Perfect example of why staff should stop slacking off and maybe do their job? Why select the admins who won't do their job for gst it's not a difficult task. See because of that result did that cost you a belt and a statue? You'll never know now.

neo never leaves his room except to eat and poop I could be dead and he wouldn't know what I'm doing lol. I wasn't even home when gst started, nor have I been on graal at all for that matter if you checked my acct that I have actually been evading my ban on, I've been off for a few days like 2-3. Not like it matters.

yeah admins couldn't care less about making it actually fair

Staff are human too, sometimes pretty dumb humans being, but human.

The guild everyone really shouldn't have won the idevice GST. I can name 3 sparers I saw on the team, that I've sparred in the past, and are well-known for having a bad connection. 7mood (little warps) Not hard to adapt, Sebastian (delays) Awfully Unfair, ABOOD (delays and speeds up.) basically duck in cover and hope his after image doesnt come running at you with the force of a thousand mcdonalds routers. I've sparred all of them before 1v1 in the battle arena. You're gonna tell me, they won legitimately without lag? I some how really really doubt that, as for US winning, i can't complain, saw it coming, good job and all that, but i did hear something about having an AFK memeber, that got US a redo, even so, i can't say that was totally unfair, since it's two out of three to win one match.

I've also herd a few laggy guilds got redos for having bad connections, not the smartest move. Scaal in my opinion was not fit to help host GST, he did a pretty bad job from what I've herd. I was in the mixed torny, he didn't seem like a bad host except for the fact he refused to kick out a lagger, i believe his name was G° (Sensen); had an awful delay, we still won, but the fact is Scaal clearly can't tell if a player is lagging in other forms unless the accused player is clearly warping, which lag comes in various forms, not just warping, delaying, rapidly slowing down, or speeding up are also other forms of lagging, or just having a shotty connection. Over all i was shocked at how poor the quality of this Guild Spar tournament was.

but at-least I got whistle, so now I can pretend like iClassic is classic, and whistle at players. When I want to converse with them. c:

The players you mentioned all win because they fight players who can't adapt to lag. Unless he's hacking its a fair fight, they see the same lag that you do.

Something you guys have to take into consideration about delayers on Graal: if you live in North America and you delay, you're either using satellite internet or using your bandwidth irresponsibly (uploading like crazy).

If you live in some parts of Europe, Asia, the Middle East, or anywhere far away from the server (which is in the US), then the delay will come naturally. People like Yui do not delay because she has a garbage connection or a cheap router. She delays because that's how long it takes for a response from the server to travel from the US to her location in Japan. Yui could be paying for the best internet service in her city and it wouldn't matter. The distance is the problem.

I know Sarah and Sebastian are in France and I'm pretty sure ABOOD and 7mood are located in some barren desert in a country that I can't pronounce. It's annoying as hell that they delay, but the reality is that it's completely out of their control and they'd feel completely cheated out if they were unable to enter the GST just because of where they live. Does that give them an excuse to lazily hop on a spotty 3G connection to milk their lag and warp around? Nope, but some form of delay is practically unavoidable when it comes to these people.



We only sparred through a single redo in the tournament, and it was a redo given to Deity after we beat them because Red Leo was warped out of the arena at 2.5 or something.

As a member of the team that had to verse "mi5e" in the first round, I will say that we lost fair and square. As for the whole disqualification of the team, we didn't even say anything, we took the loss and said we would do better next time. However, I don't think it was right that we were even paired up with mi5e in the first round. Any non-******ed person can see that their ratio is over 1,000 above ours, and all of their players have much better spar records.

Our iDevice team had to verse MiD. Literally, I was watching and Itox, a member of MiD was frozen and could not get hit. @EP, when it comes down to that much lag, it isn't a fair fight.

US was going to win, we all saw that coming.

Everybody should not have won, I watched the match and their lag was horrible. Even if they would have to redo several matches, does that mean that the keep them in the gst and let them win unfairly?

Overall, a decent GST... Decent.

to quote the GST information given via the NPC's in the arena, last rule in the bottom list was: "- Any guild with players who excessively lag, or use any forms of cheating, will result in having the guild disqualified."

these opinions and views expressed are of my own, or from what I've herd/seen. I can't speak for others, but i myself do not think i should have to adapt my sparring to accommodate for those with awful connections, if it states right on the rules, excessive lag is basically a disqualification, with those being three out of the five players on the team having connections as such.

I heard sage got beat 2v5 in a round lol (gosh that stings just typing it out) there's no excuse for losing 2v5 no matter how bad they're lagging. But I do agree that it was addressed in the rules that laggers would be DQ and should be followed through with no matter how unfair it is to other countries with natural lag.

Yes i understand. I just wish they wouldn't put such a statement in the GST rules, if they would not in-force them. I understand for some players, it's impossible not to delay. E.x. Nearly all Aussie players have a delay around 1,000ms. In some cases it's just not there fault, but i still feel there were better players, with more of a chance to win, than the ones who did.

Also I'd like to reiterate here that, i was not a part of the idevice GST, i was ON an idevice in the mixed GST. So i wasn't even in that torny, i just know for a fact most of there connections are shotty, also of you look at the list of players, really the only AWFUL one is Sebastian who claims to reside in the US. :|

I wasn't really keeping up with the Sage vs Everyone matches, but was it actual warping lag or just delay? The two should be seen as separate issues. Delay cannot really be measured by a staff member watching, especially in a 5v5 scenario.

there was a few times that were out in the open, with Sebastian running away to a corner getting hit with a sword, and clearly not taking damage. But i only seen one of the matches, i was a little to busy focused on my team at that time, :|

Honestly this was the worse GST ive ever witnessed. Why was Mother and Sage on the same side of the bracket? How the hell did Squiggles guild get to the semi-finals? If Gabe werent sleeping, PiNoY wouldve kicked the guild "everyone" to shame long before the finals. Was anyone even watching to see if Sarah pulled out her bow and arrows during that last spar?!

LOL completely forgot about that, seen here in the Guild Spar room before the torny began shooting arrows at everyone. Along with a few others.

its sad that people have to lag to cheat and win the gst and its even more sad that admins wont do anything about it.

Shush.

This post. So much yes..so much yes.

All in all. Can we just nerf the idea of a guild spar tourney on iClassic.

Way to too many issues, and all we get out of it is a bunch of rant and complaining. Or at least make it so that there are no prizes besides "self worth".

I remember Winter said sparrers were very nice and not rude to others.

This thread.

IN YOUR FACE!!

You think you had it unfair? A couple gst's ago , my guild faced US first round . Lol .

Same thing happened to me. I was in Mentos' guild Akira. Well we faced US first and got creamed.

Just wondering something. Do you admins even keep a log of who was warned or banned? Shouldn't they be cross checking the lists when players submit their gst teams? That way if they see a banned player on them they pm the guild leader saying they have to remove the player because they are on the banned list and resubmit there team if they wish to participate in the gst.

We do keep logs of all bans and warnings. The problem is that players make new accounts when they get banned in their main. The disqualifications happen when the team is using a banned player on an alternate account.

same iHot i was in Akira with Mentos, Nyx and a few others back in 2011 for the VIP/FB server iDevice Gst we lost to us first round sad.....

Lol I remember that. We had such high hopes. I even played on PC to be better,

I didn't see any of the "everyone" guild's matches other than the finals, but to me it looked like they won really convincingly. If it was 3-2 or something and some player was teleporting around getting Goku hits then alright, but 3-0 and having several people alive each round says to me they won it either way.

'Everyone' really does all lag horribly and is probably the laggiest Gst team put together. From experience I know 7mood is probably the biggest lagger in the game from being pked by him at sardines. And Sarah I dunno much about but I think I've seen everyone on the game call her a lagger lol, yeah I know some people may just be raging but when it's like every single person that spars her you know something is up. Sebastian, Tucker, Abood I haven't sparred them or anything much but I'm going to take it they lag bad since so many complained and I think abood was even forced to sit out. Lastly, Jack Sparrow who I know is one of the worst laggers in the game lol. I've gsed a bunch against him his delay allows him to run through peoples swords and do hax almost on the same level as Rufus. (On a serious note Jack lags like ****).

And from watching the final fight I saw some of this. I saw 7mood get hit when noone was even near him which doesn't really add up lol. How can someone land a hit on him if it's that random. I understand these kids can't control there delay and what not because it's there country. But i'm sure some of them can and just were desperate to win. I think Sage made a good point. "2 people warped out for excessive lag, that's disqualification of the whole team". According to the rules that's correct I recall (correct me if i'm wrong).

Now now when the lag complaints get this bad the admins instead of just judging by watching they SHOULD of sparred them themselves. A couple trustworthy admins should of been sent in there to do a test match. If the admins thought the players truly were unhittable or extremely hard to hit because of there lag then that should be the end of it and they should be DQ'd. If the admins thought they were hittable just fine then no DQ it's that simple.

Alright guys, everyone's least favorite sparrer here to drop some information on all of you and cause drama. I can type a lot of stuff about this GST, but instead I'll stick to only typing about the final rounds of both sides.

iDevice GST:

Yeah yeah, I feel the same way as everybody else does about this final round, of course. The laggiest team one could ever create won a GST and they all should have been disqualified during the first round. Our hosts, fp4 and coco88, warped out their player Abood in the middle of our matches. Now I'll take this straight from the GST information: "Any excessive lag or cheating will result in a disqualification of the entire guild." Yeah, the entire guild should have been disqualified according to their rules, not just Abood, who lagged less than half of their other players anyways. At one point in the final round, I landed a hit on 7mood literally 4 seconds after I swung my sword. Now, if you don't believe me, somebody recorded the GST finals and put it on youtube, find his thread here and go to 3:55 in the video.

So basically if you're too lazy to read my complaining above, I'll summarize it here: the GST rules say (everyone) should have been disqualified as a whole and if Abood was warped out, most of their other players should have been disqualified with him.

Now, if you're going to type something like: "OMG so you care so much about winning that you'd want to win by a DQ??!!" my answer is yes, and I'd also support any other guild on this whole game over (everyone) in this situation because (everyone) did not play skillfully and did not deserve a win.

Mixed GST:

I did not watch any parts of the GST and therefore can not complain about lag or anything like I just did for the iDevice GST, but let me lay down some information that none of you have heard and get myself into some huge drama because drama is fun.

So, Deity players continuously warped out against US and did not get a redo when John warped out, correct? Well, that's a result of bad hosting, but I don't care about that part. Here is WHY they warped out:

Deity beat the guild (SM) so basically terry and his brother siggy were pissed off and willing to do anything to make Deity lose. This should be easy to believe since terry AKA prynce has gone to extremes such as freezing his wi-fi when he is about to lose a spar in order to maintain his fake ratio. Now, how they made Deity players warp out:
When you are kicked from a guild, your current guild tag removes itself for a second. I don't know why this stupid function is in this game and well, it should be fixed as soon as somebody important reads this (Hey Rufus, here you go), but Siggy used it to make Deity players warp out against US. Want a little bit of proof because you don't believe anything I say? Siggy has the power to kick people in my best friend LiA05's guild (Farmers Club). Red Leo (the same person who warped out at 2.5 health) and John (the same person who warped out at 1.0 health, I think) were in this guild. Now look in it for them, where the hell are they? They were kicked out by Siggy during the finals.

That is all, enjoy raging at something I typed up or enjoy being mad at players for being completely unfair and swaying the GST results in their favor. Rufus didn't rig it for US, but (SM) did. Now, don't get mad at the whole guild, none of them know of these strategies besides the people who utilized them.

Solution to delay:

Create graal tournament realm, host a LAN and fly in the top guilds to participate. We'll be left with 1 or 2 people.

If that's what happened, then I feel like Siggy/Terry hardly fixed the tournament against Deity (even if that was their intention). They should obviously be banned and that needs to be fixed either way.

We had a lead in the round that Red Leo was warped out of and we were forced to concede that round. If he was never warped out, it's very possible that we could have won. In the round that everyone is claiming John was warped out of, we were winning by even more.

Overall, I don't care so much because I'd spar that team again 20 times today and probably win 15 of them. I was warped out of the arena once before and it was completely ignored and my team lost because of it. People should get their stories together before accusing an entire guild of some mass carehard conspiracy against them. The same goes for the idiots who pop up every GST claiming that you "got their member banned." This is like the second or third GST in a row that Dae has involved me in apparently getting someone who I've never even heard of banned.



Take responsibility for your own actions, blame the hosts and not the opposing team, etc.

If you want a real GST just make a guild, find other guilds, make a bracket, then go to Belle where no one will bother you. It's simple. Only thing is no one ever does it.

Is the GST more about drama and complaints than about sparring? Seems like.

Not quoting the entire thread, but this is why I don't spar or participate in the gst.

they don't even wanna spend a couple of bux fixing their servers

Hmmm. Well if delayers can easily beat skilled sparrers who have won w/o delay, then what's the point of GST? Here lemme pre-order my fresh Arabian router with AUTHENTIC preset delay.

Why do we have GST if people with delay, they can't control, can make a team full people wth the same router issue?

Last thing:

Us players can easily place the GST hosters at fault for things here and there. My question is, was there any training beforehand? New admins like Leah and others were hosting and, if I'm right, she's new staff and has never hosted GST before.

Solution: stop playing Graal its a laggy crapfest. Play a game that isnt run on a middle aged frenchman's basement servers, if you want to play competitively.

For those of you who don't know who I am I'm the leader of the Deity team that came second place. I would also like to point out that Terry and his brother Siggy a few days before the tournament attempted to make fan club guilds about me, frankly their obsession with me is frightening I wouldn't which it upon my worst enemies, but the point of them making these fan clubs was that they could add me and my friends to it then kick is when it benefited them most or my thought being that they could add us all to the guild rename it to something inappropriate and get us banned that way. No matter what i believe they would have done absolutely anything in their power to gain any sort of unfair advantage.

Now during Deity's match against SM I was warped out during two match right at the very start it got to the point where I got so frustrated I decided to put Exalt in my place as I thought this was a bug with the arena, thankfully Scaal both times saw the incident and was able to redo the match. The matches against US where our players were warped out who knows we could have ended up winning I guess we'll never know, US were very worthy opponents I may not have said this at the time but it was one hell of a close final props to everyone involved it most definitely could have gone either way.

Thanks to Comyt for taking the time to clarify that I know we don't get along but I appreciate you writing that up.

I apologise If I out of frustration and annoyance at one point in the past have accused you of such things I take it back and hope you accept my apology. But funnily enough this time I was also accused of getting Rocket banned which is ludicrous also I did not accuse you of getting him banned just to clear that up.

Issue has been fixed.

Which issue?

Stop crying biches and Jerry its ok to be owned by pkrs/hat chasers at your own game.
1. I just want to say imprint did an excellent job in our bracket as the host
2. congratulations to (everyone) on their GST win
3. msg to w1se hey noobs you should know better than anyone, tryhards do whatever it takes to win including snitching. What did you expect after you noobs raiped everyone in guild spar on Friday including the us pc team.
4. neo lol you tattled tell on your own brother ;( whitewash Mexicans these days
5. thallen wooo hooo you validated yourself old man
6. my team lost to SoN ;( I think that’s my clue to quit
7. 4 sage members vs 7mood and he won lol pkr beastmode
8. I hope everyone had fun this gst cause I did