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Platinum 07-28-2013 03:30 AM

Should children/teenagers get more rights?
 
I know most of us are under 18 here but I would like to discuss this topic.

Do you think that children/teenagers should get more rights (legally)?

MrSimons 07-28-2013 03:33 AM

you cant work until youre 15 because you have school, and it really isnt that great trying to juggle work, school, socializing, and everything else. Tbh i think some kids have too many rights.

Breezy 07-28-2013 03:34 AM

You can use a debit card and btw I'm 12 and am allowed to do most of those things it's your parents choice ps just do chores

MonicaLewinsky 07-28-2013 03:41 AM

Kill your parents. problem solved.

Myst 07-28-2013 03:42 AM

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Posted by Hayze (Post 392995)
Kill your parents. problem solved.

that is not funny.

MonicaLewinsky 07-28-2013 03:49 AM

twas' a joke. I apologize. I have a cruel sense of humor. Don't actually kill your parents... Pay a convicted criminal too.

KIDDING. Don' do that or anything like that. Just drug them.

Ok forreall, just wait till they're asleep and smuggle them to brazil.

ok really, whenever you don't get your way, start yelling stuff about how satan controls the inner demons of god. Just freak out. Then ask again while blinkin rapidly.

Actually, just man up.

Khai 07-28-2013 03:49 AM

Your parents sound like mine.

My solution was talkback...
I took control and told them I'm old enough to handle myself.

I'm 13.

Dusty 07-28-2013 03:53 AM

I came in here expecting discussion about teenagers getting to vote, drive and so on... and it's about not being able to use the microwave.

MonicaLewinsky 07-28-2013 03:56 AM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 393003)
I came in here expecting discussion about teenagers getting to vote, drive and so on... and it's about not being able to use the microwave.

The legal microwave usage age is 14, It should be reduced to 12.

Ignatius 07-28-2013 03:57 AM

I think the same things (13) but honestly, don't even worry about it. When you're 15 (or 21 for that matter) you'll probably understand why teens have the rights they do and the ones they don't.

Ryan 07-28-2013 03:58 AM

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Posted by Hayze (Post 393007)
The legal microwave usage age is 14, It should be reduced to 12.

THAT IS DANGEROUS! It should be age 21!

kenthefruit 07-28-2013 04:19 AM

Most teenagers (especially this generation) are dumbass kids, who's minds are wrapped around marijuana, and sex. If they were given the right to vote, all hell would break loose. Most of them won't mature until 21+.

Platinum 07-28-2013 04:21 AM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 393003)
I came in here expecting discussion about teenagers getting to vote, drive and so on... and it's about not being able to use the microwave.

That's what I made this thread about... I just posted an example O_o

MrSimons 07-28-2013 05:44 AM

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Posted by TwistedWizard (Post 393026)
Most of them won't mature

ill stop you there.

kenthefruit 07-28-2013 06:21 AM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 393060)
ill stop you there.

Ok you stopped me... What?

HON3Y BADG3R 07-28-2013 06:30 AM

Isnt it bad enough with just 18 to vote?! These kids dont eve know who biden is! Let alone, they thought he died!

Platinum 07-28-2013 06:57 AM

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Posted by HON3Y BADG3R (Post 393080)
Isnt it bad enough with just 18 to vote?! These kids dont eve know who biden is! Let alone, they thought he died!

We are getting affected though. Carbon tax affects me and my family, and it's the governments fault, so I should be able to vote (if it makes sense)

Rexx 07-28-2013 06:59 AM

Um, most restrictions placed on people under 18 are for their own benefit.
Reversing these laws would do more harm than good.

Sir 07-28-2013 07:04 AM

Lefts>rights

The Doctor 07-28-2013 07:08 AM

da legle age foe admin shud be 8 so I can appley

In all seriousness, some teenagers don't mature enough to be trusted with extra rights. Driving? I don't think that will turn out so well.

Talon 07-28-2013 07:40 AM

Kids and teenagers have all the rights they need. I'm sorry, but I'm not letting ill-informed minors vote for our country, drink, have legal sex, etc. There aren't any rights that kids and teenagers require that aren't already given to us. What more can we need? Or even want for that matter?

Clown 07-28-2013 07:48 AM

Give kids MORE rights? That's one of the things spoiled teens bs about to get out of trouble;
"I have a right to speech";
"You can't tell me to shut up";
"I can go home because I have a right to shelter".
It's annoying as fick.

-Albus 07-28-2013 08:32 AM

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Posted by TwistedWizard (Post 393026)
Most teenagers (especially this generation) are dumbass kids, who's minds are wrapped around marijuana, and sex. If they were given the right to vote, all hell would break loose. Most of them won't mature until 21+.

If given the right to vote they would probably choose not to exercise the right to vote like most younger people do.

Platinum 07-28-2013 12:04 PM

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Posted by Talon (Post 393116)
Kids and teenagers have all the rights they need. I'm sorry, but I'm not letting ill-informed minors vote for our country, drink, have legal sex, etc. There aren't any rights that kids and teenagers require that aren't already given to us. What more can we need? Or even want for that matter?

Are you implying that most teenagers are like this? I'm not, and I won't ever be. None of my friends are, and I hope no one on this forum is either. Besides, just because there is a rotten apple in the bag it doesn't mean the rest are rotten as well.

Era News 07-28-2013 12:13 PM

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Posted by Platinum (Post 392989)
I know most of us are under 18 here but I would like to discuss this topic. Do you think that children/teenagers should get more rights (legally)?

No, just no.

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Posted by viy (Post 393002)
Your parents sound like mine. My solution was talkback... I took control and told them I'm old enough to handle myself. I'm 13.

Wow your a rebel 13 yr old aren't you. I actually cannot wait till you get yourself into crap (thinking you know everything as little kids do) and need your parents to help you. It would be great if they talk backed to you then.

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Posted by Platinum (Post 393088)
We are getting affected though. Carbon tax affects me and my family, and it's the governments fault, so I should be able to vote (if it makes sense)

Nope you shouldn't, suck it up. And I'm sure the tax doesn't affect yours as much as me, my electricity for my coffee shop is now at 1.4K per month. No mater who your vote for they won't change it anyway so I'm still not getting your point.

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Posted by Platinum (Post 393214)
Are you implying that most teenagers are like this? I'm not, and I won't ever be. None of my friends are, and I hope no one on this forum is either. Besides, just because there is a rotten apple in the bag it doesn't mean the rest are rotten as well.

Yes but on my way to work nearly every teenager I come across is doing something stupid or immature. It's not 1 rotten apple in a bag it's the whole bags rotten and 1 is good.

How old are you by the way? I need to get a clearer picture on your age group.

Johnaudi 07-28-2013 01:11 PM

Teenagers have way too many rights, and you're asking for more?
The society should actually limit those rights.

Jester Lapse 07-28-2013 01:31 PM

If anything, minors need more restrictions, not rights.

Furryamigo 07-28-2013 02:11 PM

Teens wouldn't be able to handle more rights lol. It is not a long wait until you are 18.

Scaal 07-28-2013 02:19 PM

My parents always told me the same thing growing up.
"Act like a adult, and you will be treated like a adult."

in other words, be mature and people will trust you with more "rights"

PerfectDark 07-28-2013 02:45 PM

The rights of minors is fine the way it is. It is like being hired, you start out with lesser privileges.

A right some you didn't know of is at the age of 17, you can donate blood which you nessessarly do not need consent from your guardian.(U.S)

Breezy 07-28-2013 06:26 PM

Maybe they don't trust you because you pull this kind of crap
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Posted by Platinum (Post 376065)
I faked a sprained wrist that I had to stay home for a few days, so I would miss my tests. Sadly, mum and dad found out...


MattKan 07-28-2013 06:38 PM

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Posted by Talon (Post 393116)
but I'm not letting ill-informed minors vote for our country

I'm torn on this because most adult voters don't know anything more anyways.

It might even be better to introduce kids to voting while they are in still in school (not college). They could spend their first election learning about the specifics and being forced to learn actual information (unlike the bias of the media, celebrities, their region, their friends / family, or political parties) about said election. Teachers could also instill ideals on the importance of being informed (something I've never been taught) and theories on how to decide who to vote for (again, something I've never been taught).

The alternative is what we have now: You're told to vote, not told to vote correctly or be informed, but told to vote as much as possible. You don't know much about politics or political theory, so you get confused and then go vote because you think it's a cool thing to do ('MURICA) and Katy Perry tweeted that you should vote for x, y, z.

Of course, you bring a biased teacher in the room and it's all over.


As far as all the other stuff goes, I've always disliked the Government restricting stuff such as alcohol / drug usage, etc. because I believe in the rights of the individual people to make their own decisions. That being said, because teenagers are unable to make decisions that health specialists, etc. have agreed are better for their body, etc., they should be denied these "rights".

Theoretically, we could have a society where people make choices that are good for them. Realistically, that's never going to happen.

Rexx 07-28-2013 08:18 PM

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Posted by Platinum (Post 393214)
Are you implying that most teenagers are like this? I'm not, and I won't ever be. None of my friends are, and I hope no one on this forum is either. Besides, just because there is a rotten apple in the bag it doesn't mean the rest are rotten as well.

Good for you and your friends, but yes most teens will most likely do one if not all of those things before they turn 18. You sound like you're too young and sheltered from the real world to realize these things.

kenthefruit 07-29-2013 12:23 AM

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Posted by MattKan (Post 393333)
Theoretically, we could have a society where people make choices that are good for them. Realistically, that's never going to happen.

So, why even bother?

Talon 07-29-2013 01:19 AM

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Posted by Platinum (Post 393214)
Are you implying that most teenagers are like this? I'm not, and I won't ever be. None of my friends are, and I hope no one on this forum is either. Besides, just because there is a rotten apple in the bag it doesn't mean the rest are rotten as well.

Yes, I am implying that; because for the most part, it's true. You never answered what rights you - or any minor for that matter - could even want or benefit from.

Talon 07-29-2013 01:24 AM

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Posted by MattKan (Post 393333)
I'm torn on this because most adult voters don't know anything more anyways.

It might even be better to introduce kids to voting while they are in still in school (not college). They could spend their first election learning about the specifics and being forced to learn actual information (unlike the bias of the media, celebrities, their region, their friends / family, or political parties) about said election. Teachers could also instill ideals on the importance of being informed (something I've never been taught) and theories on how to decide who to vote for (again, something I've never been taught).

While it's true that adults are also misinformed about politics, there's definitely a higher ratio between those and educated voters as opposed to minors. I do realize that there are indeed minors that are more educated than the average adult, but it's a select few and even then, that age group (I'm thinking HS upperclassmen) is already a year or two away from the legal voting age. Minors are also much more susceptible to endorsement and the propaganda (I hate using that word in this context, but it's true) that the media churns out.

Platinum 07-29-2013 01:32 AM

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Posted by Talon (Post 393455)
Yes, I am implying that; because for the most part, it's true. You never answered what rights you - or any minor for that matter - could even want or benefit from.

I want the right to vote, my say in who runs the country (Australia is doing terribly right now); I want the right to have a job, so I can work. Believe it or not, there are many homeless teenagers out there because they aren't able to gt a decent job due to their age; and I want the right to do what I want with my life, like I could fly to Sydney if I wanted (aka more legal freedom).

MattKan 07-29-2013 01:39 AM

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Posted by Talon (Post 393456)
While it's true that adults are also misinformed about politics, there's definitely a higher ratio between those and educated voters as opposed to minors. I do realize that there are indeed minors that are more educated than the average adult, but it's a select few and even then, that age group (I'm thinking HS upperclassmen) is already a year or two away from the legal voting age. Minors are also much more susceptible to endorsement and the propaganda (I hate using that word in this context, but it's true) that the media churns out.

But if minors were voting, schools would be more eager to teach them about current events and they'd be less influenced by the things you mentioned as a result.

Rexx 07-29-2013 01:42 AM

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Posted by Platinum (Post 393459)
I want the right to vote, my say in who runs the country (Australia is doing terribly right now); I want the right to have a job, so I can work. Believe it or not, there are many homeless teenagers out there because they aren't able to gt a decent job due to their age; and I want the right to do what I want with my life, like I could fly to Sydney if I wanted (aka more legal freedom).

How old are you?
I'm pretty sure you can work: http://www.loc.gov/law/help/child-ri...alia.php#Child Labor and Exploitation

Cookie Xanadu 07-29-2013 01:47 AM

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Posted by TwistedWizard (Post 393026)
Most teenagers (especially this generation) are dumbass kids, who's minds are wrapped around marijuana, and sex. If they were given the right to vote, all hell would break loose. Most of them won't mature until 21+.

Misogynistic view that I share and, unfortunately.. See at my school. Ah well, at least I only have one year left before I start mah Bachelor's of Science

Platinum 07-29-2013 02:08 AM

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Posted by Rexx (Post 393464)
How old are you?
I'm pretty sure you can work: http://www.loc.gov/law/help/child-ri...alia.php#Child Labor and Exploitation

In my state I can't do proper part-time job until I'm 14 and 9 months :/

Rexx 07-29-2013 02:19 AM

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Posted by Platinum (Post 393476)
In my state I can't do proper part-time job until I'm 14 and 9 months :/

Then focus on school work and do volunteering to put something on your resume'
Odds are unless you have connections to get a job, nobody is going to hire a 14 year old. At least that's my experience here in the U.S.

Era News 07-29-2013 05:40 AM

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Posted by Platinum (Post 393476)
In my state I can't do proper part-time job until I'm 14 and 9 months :/

Wow I started work at 13 and live in the same state as you (NSW). You can work just go ask someone if you could clean. And now I understand why you think your mature because at that age you probably are more mature then a 16 year old.

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Posted by Platinum (Post 393459)
I want the right to vote, my say in who runs the country (Australia is doing terribly right now); I want the right to have a job, so I can work. Believe it or not, there are many homeless teenagers out there because they aren't able to gt a decent job due to their age; and I want the right to do what I want with my life, like I could fly to Sydney if I wanted (aka more legal freedom).

You sound spoiled, no offense.

Firstly, As I said, no matter who you vote for NO ONE is getting rid of the carbon tax. Same thing that happened with GST, labor promised to get rid of it and when they got in they kept it.

Secondly, You don't need to work, go to school.

Thirdly, why do you need to go to Sydney? It's not like its important for you to go.

Platinum 07-29-2013 05:54 AM

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Posted by Era News (Post 393542)
Wow I started work at 13 and live in the same state as you (NSW). You can work just go ask someone if you could clean.

I don't live in NSW. And I hate cleaning.
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Posted by Era News (Post 393542)
You sound spoiled, no offense.

Firstly, As I said, no matter who you vote for NO ONE is getting rid of the carbon tax. Same thing that happened with GST, labor promised to get rid of it and when they got in they kept it.

Secondly, You don't need to work, go to school.

Thirdly, why do you need to go to Sydney? It's not like its important for you to go.

Firstly, Labor never keeps their promises.
Secondly, maybe I want to earn a good amount of money without doing chores.
Thirdly, going to Sydney was just an example.

Rexx 07-29-2013 06:03 AM

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Posted by Platinum (Post 393549)
And I hate cleaning.

Its kind of your job as a woman to clean.
lol

Era News 07-29-2013 07:21 AM

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Posted by Rexx (Post 393550)
Its kind of your job as a woman to clean.
lol

Damn wish i could rep

Talon 07-29-2013 07:37 AM

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Posted by Platinum (Post 393459)
I want the right to vote, my say in who runs the country (Australia is doing terribly right now); I want the right to have a job, so I can work. Believe it or not, there are many homeless teenagers out there because they aren't able to gt a decent job due to their age; and I want the right to do what I want with my life, like I could fly to Sydney if I wanted (aka more legal freedom).

Read my above post on minors voting. Also, there should be no teenagers out on the street, they should at least be in public school or an orphanage, unless they ran away from home which is their fault in the first place, and I'm sure some shelter will be glad to take them in. You don't need a job if you're a minor, you need school and education. The age limits on everything that has one is there for a good reason.

Talon 07-29-2013 07:40 AM

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Posted by Platinum (Post 393549)
I don't live in NSW. And I hate cleaning.

Firstly, Labor never keeps their promises.
Secondly, maybe I want to earn a good amount of money without doing chores.
Thirdly, going to Sydney was just an example.

If you think household chores are a pain, you really should reconsider getting any job. That's all they are, but for hours on end.

Kiwi 07-29-2013 12:29 PM

There are too many people under 18 that are idiots and not enough that can make proper decisions to justify lowering the voting age.

Alexei 07-29-2013 12:50 PM

All I need for rights is to sneak on the computer at 0AM


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