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AP - it is fool's Gold

hey, I'm about to reveal to you my deepest thoughts of the Alignment Point system, so i'd be pleased if you'd take yourself a second to at least vote on the Poll and maybe leave a comment with your opinion about it.

well back to the topic
I used to like AP (Alignment Points). In fact, I loved it. But now I sat back a bit and thought a little bit about it and I really don't like it anymore, sure it has some good sides i think, but everything would be better without it to me.
I'll now tell you some advantages of the AP System.
When you have 100 AP, and you're not really that Pker type of person, other people will not be able to hit you with a sword. Good. but they can still hit you with arrows, bombs or horse. not really helpful then.

I can't tell you more. advantages, please tell me in the comments below if there are.

now we're at the disadvantages
No healing? No sense.. to me
People can no longer heal if they have below 20 AP (not sure, haven't tested)
Why? to make it fair for those who are not that good at PK? how is that fair to those who are? and why are pro sparrers with a rating of 7000+ still able to spar people with a rating of 5000+ then? makes no sense to me. if you want fairness then really do fairness.

Saints(people with 100 AP)
People could just make an organized group/guild of many people being saints.
those rush the flagroom and place all around the flag and start to hit, only then they'd be able to get damage by sword which is most likeley already too late.
they could do this to your fort! right now!
are you with me?

Friend Indicators
those are really annoying and for some people hard to see.

Spar
when you spar with 100 AP you'll first think: "yeahh! cool i'm not losing AP". But then, when you're not paying attention to it and are no more worried about losing AP.. BOOM. that's where you'll lose your AP.

If you have more disatvantages, please comment below.

Summary
Why can't we just get back our usual Name Tag colors and Delete this - to me - awful system? it's nothing but (excuse my language here) a pain in the ass to most of the Players.

I mean Red Name for Guild, Purple for Ally, lightblue for random Player, Darkblue for a friend and a Gold Tag for a Staff is much more clearly than some wiggeling arrows that Jump above players head. It looks like those are killer Arrows poking our heads till we die.

Can we just have the old Names back? and forget about the AP System? I'll tell you what, no I promise you, when we are rid of these Alignment Points everyone, believe it or not, is going to be much more wanting to go out and PK, Tower or Spar.

- Chris

Trust me, It's not getting removed.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

People can no longer heal if they have below 20 AP (not sure, haven't tested)
Why? to make it fair for those who are not that good at PK? how is that fair to those who are? and why are pro sparrers with a rating of 7000+ still able to spar people with a rating of 5000+ then? makes no sense to me. if you want fairness then really do fairness.

If you are PKing often, it wouldn't be fair to competitors for you to just run into a room and heal.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

People could just make an organized group/guild of many people being saints.
those rush the flagroom and place all around the flag and start to hit, only then they'd be able to get damage by sword which is most likeley already too late.
they could do this to your fort! right now!

I don't think this has ever happened. If this becomes a constant issue, I'm sure this would be fixed, but at the moment there are more important stuff to work on.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

Why can't we just get back our usual Name Tag colors and Delete this - to me - awful system? it's nothing but (excuse my language here) a pain in the ass to most of the Players.

Who the hell uses nicknames anymore? Plus, we have indicators that tell us who is who.

You don't need to restate your name, we can see it. Saints: people who don't want to PK, in turn they don't want to be PK'd thats why having over 40AP allows you to heal (anything under 40AP can't heal.), besides if you are a "PKer" you should except the fact you're going to die sooner or later.

simpler: Saints don't kill, so they don't want to die, PKer's kill, therfore should die aswell.

its true that bombs, arrows, (and horses?) can hurt saints, but thats because a smart saint MOST OF THE TIME wouldn't be in a PK area, because they don't need to be, they're not a PKer.

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Posted by Yami (Post 398267)

its true that bombs, arrows, (and horses?) can hurt saints, but thats because a smart saint MOST OF THE TIME wouldn't be in a PK area, because they don't need to be, they're not a PKer.

they farm in public

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398275)

they farm in public

So what are you saying? That arrows and bombs shouldn't hurt players with 100 AP?

then it's they're fault, we have farms in our homes for a reason. your speaking for a very small, none-researched group of players.

I voted yes but it will never be removed

I just gave it a quick skim, but this stuck out:

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It takes hours and hours to get 100 AP from a sub-65 AP position (which is the vast majority of towerers). You think people - let alone a tower guild with PKers - are going to sit around in a church for hours on end to all get 100 AP, just for one tower? I don't think so.

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Posted by Yogurt (Post 398265)

Trust me, It's not getting removed.

Pretty much.

Just remove ap system in towers if you're worried a bunch of saints will ambush you.

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Posted by Reece (Post 398404)

Just remove ap system in towers if you're worried a bunch of saints will ambush you.

If you can't beat a group of people who cant attack you then you probably shouldn't have a tower in the first place.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

No healing? No sense.. to me
People can no longer heal if they have below 20 AP (not sure, haven't tested)
Why? to make it fair for those who are not that good at PK? how is that fair to those who are? and why are pro sparrers with a rating of 7000+ still able to spar people with a rating of 5000+ then? makes no sense to me. if you want fairness then really do fairness.

It isn't for fairness, it's because healing as you pk is real cheap ****. I'd go as far as to say its laming.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

Saints(people with 100 AP)
People could just make an organized group/guild of many people being saints.
those rush the flagroom and place all around the flag and start to hit, only then they'd be able to get damage by sword which is most likeley already too late.
they could do this to your fort! right now!
are you with me?

You're worried about defending a tower against people who can't even attack you?... use bombs or arrows.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

Spar
when you spar with 100 AP you'll first think: "yeahh! cool i'm not losing AP". But then, when you're not paying attention to it and are no more worried about losing AP.. BOOM. that's where you'll lose your AP.

Who cares? :D

Those darn saints are deadly I'm telling ya'... They just sit there and watch your every move... Sometimes they juggle, but they always stare. Those dark, sullen, beady eyes coaxed in a plate of gold... Always watching... Always waiting...

Okay so clearly AP's not going to be removed, but I'm still going to say that I wish it was. I pk, so my AP is usually pretty low, which means that I have to bomb myself every time I need full health, like when I'm attacking a fort. Also, I completely agree with the indicators. They're really the main reason why I have disliked AP since it was released. They just make it more difficult to see who's who...I found the colored nicknames better because I almost always have nicknames turned on and whenever I saw a blue nickname, I could just read it to see who the friend was rather than having to figure out who the indicator is pointing to, especially when I'm walking through someplace crowded like Graal City. And yeah, yeah, I understand both of these things are just like personal problems but that's my opinion :9

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

are you with me?

no.

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Posted by MLB13 (Post 398455)

I have to bomb myself every time I need full health,

The hell? You do realize you can let other people kill you. You aren't being forced to bomb yourself. That's your choice. (and a pretty poor way to PK)

I have heard of ppl becoming a saint then waiting until the defending guilds guard is down an taking sardz. So I don't think its out of the question to be done as it seems many of you think it is. Yes it could take a long time idling in a church to get up to 100,but when you can just walk straight through all the door blockers at any fort and sit there in the flag room with out taking sword damage it can give you an advantage.

How? Use 2nd accounts as saints,And set them in flag rooms of towers. That would at least give you a pair of eyes in the flag room. You would be able to see how many defenders are in there,and when the time is right switch your tag on and attack the flag.
Or if nothing else switch onto your 2nd account that has 100ap and go scout the towers with out worring as much about getting pkd.

Ap has to stay to bring balance to pking that's why it will never go away. How much harder would it be to tower if ppl could simply block the doors and just sit there and heal and never die? You would never be able to get through. Or how much of a bitch would it be trying to defend when the attackers can just heal and not die? They would never have to re-spawn else where. Even tho with the way the lag is half the time ppl die and just re-spawn in the same spot in towers anyways.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

Sure!

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

well back to the topic
I used to like AP (Alignment Points). In fact, I loved it.

Nice!

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

But now I sat back a bit and thought a little bit about it and I really don't like it anymore,

Oh?

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

sure it has some good sides i think, but everything would be better without it to me

I'm interested to hear why, I guess.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

I'll now tell you some advantages of the AP System.

Wait... you're going to support your case by giving me reasons to disagree with you? Okay!

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

When you have 100 AP, and you're not really that Pker type of person, other people will not be able to hit you with a sword. Good. but they can still hit you with arrows, bombs or horse. not really helpful then.

Oh well. If you're not much of a PKer then odds are you won't be walking around in a no-PK area.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

I can't tell you more. advantages, please tell me in the comments below if there are.

Wait a sec... you said advantages with an s. I want to hear more!

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

now we're at the disadvantages

Oh darn.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

No healing? No sense.. to me

...To you

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

People can no longer heal if they have below 20 AP (not sure, haven't tested)

Are you sure about the rest of the post?

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

Why? to make it fair for those who are not that good at PK? how is that fair to those who are?

That's not the point of it.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

and why are pro sparrers with a rating of 7000+ still able to spar people with a rating of 5000+ then? makes no sense to me.

Not sure what this has to do with it, but okay.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

if you want fairness then really do fairness.

Touché

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

But they would inadvertently hit somebody and lose their AP immediately. As you pointed out, it's hard to get that high of AP, so the odds of a towering guild suddenly all getting 100 AP and storming a tower are rare anyways.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

they could do this to your fort! right now!

I don't have a fort so I don't think this is possible.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

are you with me?

No.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

Friend Indicators
those are really annoying and for some people hard to see.

May I suggest reading glasses?

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

Spar
when you spar with 100 AP you'll first think: "yeahh! cool i'm not losing AP".

I have never thought this in my life.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

But then, when you're not paying attention to it and are no more worried about losing AP.. BOOM. that's where you'll lose your AP.

Okay?

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

If you have more disatvantages, please comment below.

You seem to have hit them all.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

Summary
Why can't we just get back our usual Name Tag colors and Delete this - to me - awful system?

Because we're players who are unable to delete systems.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

it's nothing but (excuse my language here) a pain in the ass to most of the Players.

Care to provide your source?

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

I mean Red Name for Guild, Purple for Ally, lightblue for random Player, Darkblue for a friend and a Gold Tag for a Staff is much more clearly than some wiggeling arrows that Jump above players head.

While this is true, the arrows are still adequate and the pros out-way the cons.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

It looks like those are killer Arrows poking our heads till we die.

Ah, yes. This is the last proof we need to remove the system.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

Can we just have the old Names back?

Nope.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

and forget about the AP System?

Definitely not.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

I'll tell you what,

What.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

no I promise you,

Ooo.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

when we are rid of these Alignment Points everyone, believe it or not,

Having a hard time believing.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

is going to be much more wanting to go out

You mean like 'GF ME PLS'?

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

and PK, Tower or Spar.

I'm glad I have your promise.

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Posted by Christopher (Post 398264)

- Chris

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Posted by MattKan (Post 398612)

Sure!
Nice!

have to spread rep, but I didnt want to quote it all, but nice work haha

I think the ap system is one of the best things iclassic ever implemented. Used to be people only wanted to be admin to have gold tags.

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Posted by captainhaxs (Post 398662)

I think the ap system is one of the best things iclassic ever implemented. Used to be people only wanted to be admin to have gold tags.

OH MY GOSH IT'S YOU! :love::love::love:

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Posted by MattKan

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Originally Posted by Christopher
hey, I'm about to reveal to you my deepest thoughts of the Alignment Point system, so i'd be pleased if you'd take yourself a second to at least vote on the Poll and maybe leave a comment with your opinion about it.
Sure!

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Originally Posted by Christopher
well back to the topic
I used to like AP (Alignment Points). In fact, I loved it.
Nice!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher
But now I sat back a bit and thought a little bit about it and I really don't like it anymore,
Oh?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher
sure it has some good sides i think, but everything would be better without it to me
I'm interested to hear why, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Christopher
I'll now tell you some advantages of the AP System.
Wait... you're going to support your case by giving me reasons to disagree with you? Okay!

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Originally Posted by Christopher
When you have 100 AP, and you're not really that Pker type of person, other people will not be able to hit you with a sword. Good. but they can still hit you with arrows, bombs or horse. not really helpful then.
Oh well. If you're not much of a PKer then odds are you won't be walking around in a no-PK area.

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Originally Posted by Christopher
I can't tell you more. advantages, please tell me in the comments below if there are.
Wait a sec... you said advantages with an s. I want to hear more!

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Originally Posted by Christopher
now we're at the disadvantages
Oh darn.

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Originally Posted by Christopher
No healing? No sense.. to me
...To you

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher
People can no longer heal if they have below 20 AP (not sure, haven't tested)
Are you sure about the rest of the post?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher
Why? to make it fair for those who are not that good at PK? how is that fair to those who are?
That's not the point of it.

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Originally Posted by Christopher
and why are pro sparrers with a rating of 7000+ still able to spar people with a rating of 5000+ then? makes no sense to me.
Not sure what this has to do with it, but okay.

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Originally Posted by Christopher
if you want fairness then really do fairness.
Touché

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Originally Posted by Christopher
Saints(people with 100 AP)
People could just make an organized group/guild of many people being saints.
those rush the flagroom and place all around the flag and start to hit, only then they'd be able to get damage by sword which is most likeley already too late.
But they would inadvertently hit somebody and lose their AP immediately. As you pointed out, it's hard to get that high of AP, so the odds of a towering guild suddenly all getting 100 AP and storming a tower are rare anyways.

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Originally Posted by Christopher
they could do this to your fort! right now!
I don't have a fort so I don't think this is possible.

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Originally Posted by Christopher
are you with me?
No.

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Originally Posted by Christopher
Friend Indicators
those are really annoying and for some people hard to see.
May I suggest reading glasses?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher
Spar
when you spar with 100 AP you'll first think: "yeahh! cool i'm not losing AP".
I have never thought this in my life.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher
But then, when you're not paying attention to it and are no more worried about losing AP.. BOOM. that's where you'll lose your AP.
Okay?

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Originally Posted by Christopher
If you have more disatvantages, please comment below.
You seem to have hit them all.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher
Summary
Why can't we just get back our usual Name Tag colors and Delete this - to me - awful system?
Because we're players who are unable to delete systems.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher
it's nothing but (excuse my language here) a pain in the ass to most of the Players.
Care to provide your source?

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Originally Posted by Christopher
I mean Red Name for Guild, Purple for Ally, lightblue for random Player, Darkblue for a friend and a Gold Tag for a Staff is much more clearly than some wiggeling arrows that Jump above players head.
While this is true, the arrows are still adequate and the pros out-way the cons.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher
It looks like those are killer Arrows poking our heads till we die.
Ah, yes. This is the last proof we need to remove the system.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher
Can we just have the old Names back?
Nope.

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Originally Posted by Christopher
and forget about the AP System?
Definitely not.

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Originally Posted by Christopher
I'll tell you what,
What.

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Originally Posted by Christopher
no I promise you,
Ooo.

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Originally Posted by Christopher
when we are rid of these Alignment Points everyone, believe it or not,
Having a hard time believing.

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Originally Posted by Christopher
is going to be much more wanting to go out
You mean like 'GF ME PLS'?

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Originally Posted by Christopher
and PK, Tower or Spar.
I'm glad I have your promise.

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Originally Posted by Christopher
- Chris

tl;dr

*cough* Slightly ontopic: Why do people complain about things that have little purpose and dont even significantly affect gameplay? AP is nearly useless, why bother complaining?

My only problem with ap is the fact I can't heal. Reason why? I pk and my ap is usually below 10 and you have to have 40+ ap to heal. Maybe if this was fixed I bet all the complaints will be removed

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Posted by Cody (Post 399035)

Maybe if this was fixed I bet all the complaints will be removed

Why fix what is not broken?