Government Shutdown
 

I really haven't looked around on the topic, and most of it just annoys me. However, does anyone know when the hell they're opening again? It's as if they think it's okay to shutdown whenever they can't come to the an agreement.

Open discussion on the topic is welcomed. Let's not start too big of a flame war here, since this is Politics.

I heard 3 weeks from starting date, but don't hold me to that.

The government, as does life, will get over it and move on.

Tell that to the jews during the ww2.

Thanks Obama

That's why you live in Australia!

I'll pass on Tony Abbott ty.

The next time you judge a teenage girl for overreacting, just remember that a bunch of old, rich white men shut down the government because they weren't getting their way. The whole two party system is the reason we have these issues. This is the kind of stuff that makes George Washington toss and turn in his graveyard.

I agree with this and think that a lot of things need to change with democracy.

Mmk

I think US politics is a stupid thing. From what I have seen, often whoever won the election loses control over some house or something that controls budgets or something along those lines.

isn't it great that the leaders of our country are people with the maturity of children, i think it is :D

blame the republican house majority for this

Yes because the Senate is trying sooooo much harder to improvise.
@TW Some details are we the senate controlled by the democrats and the House of Representatives controlled by the republicans can't come to an agreement about some bill...?(not so sure) and it's estimated to add 10 Billion or so on the national debt which is at 17 trillion at the moment because of this.

By the people? For the people?

The government is shutdown, but they still get paid. >:c Tax the rich. the trickle down theory does not seem to work anymore.

The US government structure is flawed as it is, throw two opposing left-wing and right-wing citizen-elected parties and it all goes to **** eventually.

Two entirely different scenarios.

So you can only move on with life in certain scenarios? Next time you should be more specific when you make bold and broad statements.

It could be worse, we could be building entire cities and having no one moving into them (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE)

I think the whole idea of political parties was horrible from the start, and the founding father's even realized this. Canadates and congress don't work to serve the people, but to appease their party. The democrats are trying to impress their party, and the republicans are trying to impress their party. What you get is people taking sides and not really working for a common benefit. God bless the moderates who can really see things from both perspectives and try to find things that will benefit as many as possible, but it's the radicals (not just the Republicans) who slow down progress. They're so caught up in this strong opposition towards the other party that they forget it's the people they're supposed to be working for, not their party.

After watching Obama's speech over the shut down I really didn't like how he took the opportunity to glamorize the democratic party. It just seemed like he went on and on about how this was all the republicans fault, and how democrats are the good guys here when there is plenty of controversial issues the democrats created.

Instead of showing how one party is better than another because of the actions of another, we should be showing just how bad political parties have become over the years and why they aren't good at all for the government at all. The senators and representatives shouldn't be tied to a specific party, but tied to their state's interests and the general interest for the nation's needs as a whole. This is the way it was intended to be, and this is the way it should be.

I think you're an idiot, and your opinion sucks. :love:

I'd like to counter with it's not the republicans faults. If you haven't been brainwashed by the media, you'd know Obama being reelected was the worst possible thing for us. His first term not only doubled our debt, he never got a single budget passed. Try blaming the republicans for not passing his budget? Democrats also would vote against him unanimously. I'd like to keep talking about how Obama is terrible, but the list is endless. You just need to find an unbiased source on politics.

such ignorance.

Great, let's have one party/group leading America and see where that gets you.

Look, the reason why there are two groups in parliament is obvious, one side proposes the ideas and looks at the benefits. The other group examine the ideas and look at the negatives.
AKA they both think they are the geniuses and the conflicting party is idiotic.

I think you dont know jack about anything and just spout out whatever you hear your parents say.

Yes, of course you can only move on in certain scenarios. That was implied. Next time don't take everything anyone says so literally.

One party/political group would be disastrous as well. No other voices will be able to be heard, and would be more of an oligarchy by that group to take complete control of the government. Tyranny by the masses. Likewise, a two party system is also disastrous. It does not place a check on the other party. It creates a conflict that divides the nation's beliefs which leads to a whole set of domestic issues. A representative should represent the people, not the party.

I don't see how its implied at all :l

Murica.

**** you

[10:33:03 PM] Talon: 'murica is getting old as **** too
[10:33:09 PM] Chris: i say it sometimes in sarcasm
[10:33:14 PM] Talon: ****ing I swear if someone posted 'murica on the government shutdown threa
[10:33:17 PM] Chris: lmfao
[10:33:24 PM] Talon: i would delete the post and leave them an angry visitor message
[10:33:24 PM] Chris: i only say lmfao to you
[10:33:27 PM] Chris: hahahahahah
[10:33:50 PM] Talon: ok maybe not because rufus would fire me but still
[10:34:05 PM] Talon: and 'dafuq is this lel'


*I posted murica and linked it to him*

[10:34:29 PM] Talon: you mother****ing twat ****er **** *** dumpster ratchet ***** ******
[10:34:41 PM] Chris: sorry bro-guy
[10:36:05 PM] Talon: ok i left you a ****ing angry visitor message
[10:36:08 PM] Chris: that visitor message
[10:36:11 PM] Chris: is way too intense
[10:36:14 PM] Chris: can you like tone it down please
[10:36:20 PM | Edited 10:36:24 PM] Chris: im literally crying right now lel xd

While this is all true, it's highly unlikely America would change to any other system. The people are more inclined to sit and whine about it than actually do anything here.

On a scale of 1 to the government how shut down do you feel?

Like North Korea's nuclear weapons program.

or black folk during the us slavery era

or 'muricans right after 9/11

The NBA Lockdown

Of course. Blueh just cracked the code. First the NBA lockdown then the NHL lockdown now this...what's next?

-takes off sunglasses-

The world lockdown.

I heard if the Government doesn't open by the 17th, we will make history by not paying our taxes.

The world would have a lot of issues if America can't pay their bills.

0 fks. everyone is making a big deal out of it but really it doesn't matter. This happened before and we came out alright. I say just let the fat idiots run our country like they always have and appreciate what we got.

Not a big deal? Well if USA defaults on its debts then the whole world will be plunged into an economic depression.

Sounds fun

Ya... I mean these people not knowing when they'll get paid... Making a big deal out of nothing....

Lol like that hasnt happened already? were all fked. Just deal with it. wat are u gunna do? kill everyone? lol.

those people are very well educated people who are well-off in life and all have good yearly salaries. Maybe theyre upset cuz they cant afford their yoga lessons this month. who gives a fk?

Wow, you're insanely uneducated. Most of the people who aren't getting paid are those who are considered "non-essential." Just because you're on government pay doesn't mean you're well-off. My grandmother used to work for NASA... you know what she did? She worked at the NASA cafeteria. She didn't get paid much. If she were still working right now she wouldn't be getting paid.

Then again I feel this will be going right over your head, so why bother? I'm not effected by this shutdown either, but I'm not going to pretend like it's not a big deal just because it's not effecting me.

"Rotaruc has disabled reputation."

Welp, I guess that's the end of that.

Dusty:1 | Rotaruc: -300

How is this going to work? Doesnt really make sense.
Income tax is automatically taken out. Sales tax is automatically calculated into purchases.

goobye rotaruc goobye

I agree with most of your posts, except what I put in bold. I agree that most politicians are loyal to their party than the people, OR are too scared to properly represent the people and back off of things they shouldn't. I can say, at least from my point of view (because all of this from each of us is just our point of view) that the republicans have exactly played their part in the checks and balances of government. The point is for at least one to hold off the others from disastrous things. I have a child, and another on the way, I really don't want the debt getting any higher and them having to deal with it later, and they will have to deal with it later if it keeps climbing.

Obamacare is NOT the answer either. I pay for my insurance, and work. My wife had to get medicaid/care (whatever) when she had our first child because we had no insurance. I'm glad temporary things like that (temporary for my family) are there. BUT from the money I would have saved by NOT paying all the social benefits, I could have paid the hospital out of pocket and not needed a baby shower at all. Now, as a working American I pay for insurance, and I have good coverage, but because of the ACA (Obamacare), my premiums are now rising, and expected to rise, according to the letter from my employer aligned with the insurance provider, up to ~10k/yr for a family of 4. I don't make a lot of money, and I mean nearly nothing (safe to say, less than 40k as the only income provider of fixing to be a family of 4), and I'm getting raised taxes and higher insurance premiums while qualifying for none of the social benefits (wouldn't want them anyways honestly). That's messed up. All the crap fed to the "middle and lower class" are hurting people like me, who live check to check recently. Not to mention corps have to pay more, and have cut overtime and hours like crazy.

Oh and for the "trickle down theory" haters: if you've ever worked a day in your life, you really can't say that, because some rich guys company gave you work and pay. It may not be the best jobs at times, but that, my pals, is the money trickling down. Some of us, including myself, just get the droplets but it is what it is.

The republicans are doing what they believe the people who voted them in want them to do, halt the debt rising, cut spending, and do every dang thing to kill the ACA if ever possible. That is checks and balances my friend. The majority of people who voted in the republicans are for the things mentioned above, so they would be representing the people as best possible. I'm not saying all politicians do, and I'm not saying Democrats are not representing anyone either, btw.

Also I'm tired of hearing all the ******s in media and "famous people" saying we voted in Obama so we need to support this 100% and the republicans are wrong. Did they forget congress is elected too? Idiots...

On top of that, people saying all the republicans are rich old farts, what the hell do you think democrats are? young and poor? lol. C'mon people... Most of the media, democrats, and alike are some of the richest people period. Opera, John Kerry, Obama (now, not before, he has invested in foreign stuff and made quite a bit), I could name tons of "Old rich farts" that are democrat.

I'm not a full republican either, to add. I'd rather call myself an anti-federalist.

You bring up some good points. With Obamacare a lot of us will get out of college at some point and some will be getting out of college and the rest already are. The ones just getting out or have to in the future will be paying loads of money for student loans etc. being in your twenties at your peak of healthiness is definitely not when you want to be paying for health care when you could be using that money to pay for your schooling.

And how Obama got in, the baby boomers, babies born when all the fathers got back from WW2, just started turning 65 and retiring. What do these old people do? They vote. These people will vote for whoever will give them the most benefits at their age with social security and the health care. Obama was that guy.