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GlazeyB 10-10-2013 03:20 AM

Aaaaaaaaaand
 
It still seems this server still has no direction.

R o g u e 10-10-2013 03:22 AM

Off Topic-Im sorry but I can't stop looking at that girl in your profile x.x.Is that weird?

Nyte* 10-10-2013 03:35 AM

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Posted by Glazey (Post 418025)
It still seems this server still has no direction.

Hello Glazey, you've been missed

wildkeldeo 10-10-2013 04:17 AM

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Posted by ReBorn (Post 418027)
Off Topic-Im sorry but I can't stop looking at that girl in your profile x.x.Is that weird?

We all can't stop looking at her :shy:

Rotaruc 10-10-2013 04:17 AM

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Posted by Nyte* (Post 418032)
Hello Glazey, you've been missed

Not at all. dear god. But unfortunately hes right >.>

I was gunna say this thread is spam... but then i thought about it and it turns out this thread could be more useful than the last 100 threads made.

NeoZX 10-10-2013 05:06 AM

I feel Zone hasn't really...picked a theme so to say. We know it should be technology, but why do we have a broom, or a leaf, or a carrot as weapons? Not very technological, mind you. I believe I saw a picture of the broom, and it was robotic. I feel that works better, but then you have a carrot and a leaf? How could anyone make that robotic...

kenthefruit 10-10-2013 07:28 AM

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Posted by Cobalt (Post 418053)
I feel Zone hasn't really...picked a theme so to say. We know it should be technology, but why do we have a broom, or a leaf, or a carrot as weapons? Not very technological, mind you. I believe I saw a picture of the broom, and it was robotic. I feel that works better, but then you have a carrot and a leaf? How could anyone make that robotic...

Oh my god, don't get me started on this again. A server doesn't have to upload content that is only matching its theme. I would get bored, and very unentertained. There would be no variety whatsoever. Though I understand the theme should be recognized when uploading content, it doesn't have to fit the theme 24/7.

MrSimons 10-10-2013 07:30 AM

Damn I missed this guy.

Stocke 10-10-2013 08:41 AM

There are 8 directions.

Ryan 10-10-2013 08:53 AM

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Posted by Stocke (Post 418124)
There are 8 directions.

No, on zone its 360 degrees

Tashkin 10-10-2013 08:57 AM

I know it slow for the updates to be released. You all have to realize that Zone does not have many developers. We have only a few level makers and as he said some of the ZP's are actually helping make levels. We have 1 scripter that knows a lot and two of us that know some. Most of us are adults and have jobs to attend to. Time is very limited for the scripter we have so we get things done when we can. I have said this many times I would love to be able to release things at a faster pace but currently that is not possible. We are actually doing what we can to keep things being worked on. The main project we have our developers cannot touch until Stefan is finished with what he is doing. We are going to try and release the main project on Halloween (High chance that will not happen.) You will be seeing a lot of changes on Zone and I am sure some will like it and some wont. Just because we aren't releasing things at the exact time you all would like doesn't mean we are not working. Like I said we are a very small development team (unpaid btw only volunteer). So just be patient and we will get things finished as soon as we can.


Spoiler
The theme is going to be completely different. Part of the main update, "big" update as you all like to call it.

Nyte* 10-10-2013 12:15 PM

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Posted by Stocke (Post 418124)
There are 8 directions.

No there's 1 Direction

Platinum 10-10-2013 12:20 PM

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Posted by Tashkin (Post 418133)
Spoiler
I know it slow for the updates to be released. You all have to realize that Zone does not have many developers. We have only a few level makers and as he said some of the ZP's are actually helping make levels. We have 1 scripter that knows a lot and two of us that know some. Most of us are adults and have jobs to attend to. Time is very limited for the scripter we have so we get things done when we can. I have said this many times I would love to be able to release things at a faster pace but currently that is not possible. We are actually doing what we can to keep things being worked on. The main project we have our developers cannot touch until Stefan is finished with what he is doing. We are going to try and release the main project on Halloween (High chance that will not happen.) You will be seeing a lot of changes on Zone and I am sure some will like it and some wont. Just because we aren't releasing things at the exact time you all would like doesn't mean we are not working. Like I said we are a very small development team (unpaid btw only volunteer). So just be patient and we will get things finished as soon as we can.

People may say this a lot but hire more people! There are many talented levellers, ganiers, artists, and although there aren't many scripters around maybe someone could take time off and teach someone with basic knowledge!

Tashkin 10-10-2013 12:29 PM

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Posted by Platinum (Post 418159)
People may say this a lot but hire more people! There are many talented levellers, ganiers, artists, and although there aren't many scripters around maybe someone could take time off and teach someone with basic knowledge!

Easier said than done. :) I wish there was an abundance of developers for graal that were available. However, that is not the case. We are teaching some of the current staff that we have already to do some of these jobs. Hopefully in the future that will change.

Rotaruc 10-10-2013 02:00 PM

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Posted by Cobalt (Post 418053)
I feel Zone hasn't really...picked a theme so to say. We know it should be technology, but why do we have a broom, or a leaf, or a carrot as weapons? Not very technological, mind you. I believe I saw a picture of the broom, and it was robotic. I feel that works better, but then you have a carrot and a leaf? How could anyone make that robotic...

Yeah... Not everything has to fit the Lego robot theme in ur signature lol. Those are just items. And they do fit a theme. Nature will be here forever. Even in the future and I'm sure wizards and witches still fly on brooms on graal o ween in the future. And for the carrot.... What do u expect the entire carrot race to die out and go extinct? Lol pretty sure 1,000 Years from now carrots will still exist.

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Posted by Tashkin (Post 418163)
Easier said than done. :) I wish there was an abundance of developers for graal that were available. However, that is not the case. We are teaching some of the current staff that we have already to do some of these jobs. Hopefully in the future that will change.

Teach people who aren't staff. Like platty said... Just ppl with Basic knowledge. People who want to learn but don't know where to start. I've bee wanting to learn how to script for a while now but I don't know the first thing about anything lol

Cookie Xanadu 10-10-2013 04:00 PM

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Posted by Rotaruc (Post 418179)
Yeah... Not everything has to fit the Lego robot theme in ur signature lol. Those are just items. And they do fit a theme. Nature will be here forever. Even in the future and I'm sure wizards and witches still fly on brooms on graal o ween in the future. And for the carrot.... What do u expect the entire carrot race to die out and go extinct? Lol pretty sure 1,000 Years from now carrots will still exist.



Teach people who aren't staff. Like platty said... Just ppl with Basic knowledge. People who want to learn but don't know where to start. I've bee wanting to learn how to script for a while now but I don't know the first thing about anything lol


Start learning Java or C++ and then you'll have a great start on GS2.

Nyte* 10-10-2013 09:24 PM

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Posted by Cookie Xanadu (Post 418199)
Start learning Java or C++ and then you'll have a great start on GS2.

Ya there's tons of vids on YouTube that can help with GS2 as well

Mejico Josh 10-10-2013 09:45 PM

Theres a problem that zone had was people heard about new big content coming in june/july and started to get hyped for it. Now we are in october and nothing big has been relased so i think the problem stems from here

Dark Ice Cream 10-10-2013 09:54 PM

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Posted by Tashkin (Post 418163)
Easier said than done. :) I wish there was an abundance of developers for graal that were available. However, that is not the case. We are teaching some of the current staff that we have already to do some of these jobs. Hopefully in the future that will change.

:/ ive been wanting to be a leveler but I've been ignored and ignored that I want to volunteer... Rejected by the Admins *dies*

G Fatal 10-10-2013 10:08 PM

The new TS in progress basicly looks like a futuristic era, this won't change much unless new stuff is still added with it(no copy of other servers stuff)

P.s. like I've said before if you want things done and staff arn't working at a pace you'd like them to why not ask the graalians for (whatever) i.e more contests etc I've seen this happen a few times for graal and the stuff from it have been really good, some even better than the average updates we get(graal in general)

Rotaruc 10-10-2013 10:18 PM

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Posted by Dark Ice Cream (Post 418292)
:/ ive been wanting to be a leveler but I've been ignored and ignored that I want to volunteer... Rejected by the Admins *dies*

have you seen a volunteer application or list? No. Volunteers don't exist. theres staff and players. "ignored"? not so much. You and your levels have actually gotten attention. And you've received constructive criticism on you're work. just cuz u have been making levels for a while doesn't mean you should be hired. Especially someone like you who constantly complains about it.

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Posted by Mejico Jøsh (Post 418289)
Theres a problem that zone had was people heard about new big content coming in june/july and started to get hyped for it. Now we are in october and nothing big has been relased so i think the problem stems from here

Tile set was supposed to be a "6 month project"... that's what got everyone hyped. but its looking like a year+ project from what I see.

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Posted by Cookie Xanadu (Post 418199)
Start learning Java or C++ and then you'll have a great start on GS2.

Safe download link? thanks btw

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Posted by Nyte* (Post 418286)
Ya there's tons of vids on YouTube that can help with GS2 as well

:0 ill check that out once I'm java certified lol

Nyte* 10-10-2013 10:23 PM

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Posted by Rotaruc (Post 418304)
have you seen a volunteer application or list? No. Volunteers don't exist. theres staff and players. "ignored"? not so much. You and your levels have actually gotten attention. And you've received constructive criticism on you're work. just cuz u have been making levels for a while doesn't mean you should be hired. Especially someone like you who constantly complains about it.



Tile set was supposed to be a "6 month project"... that's what got everyone hyped. but its looking like a year+ project from what I see.



Safe download link? thanks btw



:0 ill check that out once I'm java certified lol

Sorry I meant Java not GS2 my bad

Rotaruc 10-10-2013 10:24 PM

Oh... then :D thx ill check that out

NeoZX 10-10-2013 10:34 PM

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Posted by G Fatal (Post 418300)
The new TS in progress basicly looks like a futuristic era, this won't change much unless new stuff is still added with it(no copy of other servers stuff)

P.s. like I've said before if you want things done and staff arn't working at a pace you'd like them to why not ask the graalians for (whatever) i.e more contests etc I've seen this happen a few times for graal and the stuff from it have been really good, some even better than the average updates we get(graal in general)

I would miss Shangri-La's tileset so bad...I'm too used to it /:

Shiz 10-10-2013 10:36 PM

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Posted by Rotaruc (Post 418179)
Yeah... Not everything has to fit the Lego robot theme in ur signature lol. Those are just items. And they do fit a theme. Nature will be here forever. Even in the future and I'm sure wizards and witches still fly on brooms on graal o ween in the future. And for the carrot.... What do u expect the entire carrot race to die out and go extinct? Lol pretty sure 1,000 Years from now carrots will still exist.



Teach people who aren't staff. Like platty said... Just ppl with Basic knowledge. People who want to learn but don't know where to start. I've bee wanting to learn how to script for a while now but I don't know the first thing about anything lol

It's better to study scripting or learn how to make levels/ know how to make graphics rather than get hired and us having to take our time away (which makes it harder and longer for updates) to spend time with you so you can learn.

Rotaruc 10-10-2013 10:42 PM

well yah but its not like u guys r working 24/7. I'm sure u guys have time to just answer questions and stuff. I mean...there's time to make jokes so....there must be time. But I get what you're saying. Even if u guys didn't have time, players have already been waiting a long time. Don't think an extra month or two would kill anyone.

MrSimons 10-10-2013 11:04 PM

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Posted by Rotaruc (Post 418326)
well yah but its not like u guys r working 24/7. I'm sure u guys have time to just answer questions and stuff. I mean...there's time to make jokes so....there must be time. But I get what you're saying. Even if u guys didn't have time, players have already been waiting a long time. Don't think an extra month or two would kill anyone.

Theres time to make jokes because when one dept finishes a project another may still be working on finishing it, leaving the other dept with little/nothing to do. As an example:

Zone is releasing a brand new item, the graphics team finishes it and sends it onto the GANI team, gfx now has nothing to do and is working on misc assignments, they cant speed up the release since they probably dont know how to do any GANI work, and they def dont know how to script the item so they are left workless, mostly.

I hope that helps.

Platinum 10-10-2013 11:12 PM

Then teach your gfx team how to script and gani a hat/gun.

Shiz 10-10-2013 11:37 PM

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Posted by Platinum (Post 418340)
Then teach your gfx team how to script and gani a hat/gun.

Then it's not a GFX team anymore but a development team..


#Logic.

MrSimons 10-10-2013 11:41 PM

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Posted by Platinum (Post 418340)
Then teach your gfx team how to script and gani a hat/gun.

Yes, because it is just so easy to teach a whole team of people how to script, damn why didnt i think of that! Especially when theres only one person who might qualify to teach them that is on the team.

Regret 10-10-2013 11:53 PM

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Posted by Platinum (Post 418159)
People may say this a lot but hire more people! There are many talented levellers, ganiers, artists, and although there aren't many scripters around maybe someone could take time off and teach someone with basic knowledge!

I know I'm a bit late to the party, but "aren't many" is an understatement with scripters, and for the work of ANY of the other staff members to have ANY value whatsoever, you need scripters. Ganis? They need to be scripted into weapons and items. Levels? Not as much, but events need to be scripted, as well as interactions with certain things, such as the ship repair. Artists? Well, a great deal of what they make goes into the ganis for guns/swords/dances/etc, which again, have to be scripted.

Not only that, but consider the fact that Graal uses its own language, which although similar to other languages in aspect, still includes numerous things that can take a great deal of time to learn.

Not only that, but consider how many programmers there are in the world. Then how many of those program video games. That's not a big number. Now consider how many are likely in the Graal community, which already has a minuscule playerbase in comparison to most mmo's.

While I like your idea, I feel like people definitely expect it to happen much faster than it would in reality, even if they think they're being reasonable about the amount of time.

No insult intended, just laying my honest opinion out there.

Tashkin 10-11-2013 01:58 AM

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Posted by Rotaruc (Post 418304)
Tile set was supposed to be a "6 month project"... that's what got everyone hyped. but its looking like a year+ project from what I see.
l

The tileset project actually just started about 2 months ago and has been on hold for atleast 2-3 weeks now. We are far from that 6 month mark.

We cannot help that certain people leak information about what is being worked on. This is exactly why we don't want information leaked about anything. It only causes problems because players expect it to be done soon. Which isn't always the case and even at times projects get cancelled. I haven't hyped up any of these projects because I know that they can end up being cancelled. Sadly the leakers don't understand that and just give out the information anyway.

Dark Ice Cream 10-11-2013 09:12 AM

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Posted by Rotaruc (Post 418304)
have you seen a volunteer application or list? No. Volunteers don't exist. theres staff and players. "ignored"? not so much. You and your levels have actually gotten attention. And you've received constructive criticism on you're work. just cuz u have been making levels for a while doesn't mean you should be hired. Especially someone like you who constantly complains about it.



Tile set was supposed to be a "6 month project"... that's what got everyone hyped. but its looking like a year+ project from what I see.


Hey! I didn't say I need to work in a while just to get hired... I already bee making levels since I came to graalian forums.. Ya my first attempt was bad but I'm still learning.. You just like to take people badly like me.. It makes my confidence to low that u keep woring it out... And I'm not a show off.. I'm just getting feedbacks on how to make my levels good... Actually, I've been liking my job and I sincerely put my heart to my work not like u, mr. Critique... If anyone hates my level so be it! I'm still making! If you hate it, ignore it, don't comment bad things to it! Instead give me advices than blah blah bad blah blah a four year old can make that blah blah blah! Thats really how you act Rot!

NeoZX 10-11-2013 12:34 PM

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Posted by Tashkin (Post 418376)
The tileset project actually just started about 2 months ago and has been on hold for atleast 2-3 weeks now. We are far from that 6 month mark.

We cannot help that certain people leak information about what is being worked on. This is exactly why we don't want information leaked about anything. It only causes problems because players expect it to be done soon. Which isn't always the case and even at times projects get cancelled. I haven't hyped up any of these projects because I know that they can end up being cancelled. Sadly the leakers don't understand that and just give out the information anyway.

I have one major question. Could we have a tileset memorial to the Shangri-La? Just with a Shawn statue inside?

Platinum 10-11-2013 01:27 PM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 418349)
Yes, because it is just so easy to teach a whole team of people how to script, damn why didnt i think of that! Especially when theres only one person who might qualify to teach them that is on the team.

Copy and paste is your best friend.
Seriously though, (just saying I'm no expert on this so don't hate if I get it wrong) couldn't you just copy an existing gun or hat script and paste it on the server using a different file?(if that made sense)

Tashkin 10-11-2013 01:50 PM

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Posted by Cobalt (Post 418503)
I have one major question. Could we have a tileset memorial to the Shangri-La? Just with a Shawn statue inside?

I am sure there will be a section on the map that will be in remembrance of the current iZone. :)

MrSimons 10-11-2013 02:08 PM

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Posted by Platinum (Post 418516)
Copy and paste is your best friend.
Seriously though, (just saying I'm no expert on this so don't hate if I get it wrong) couldn't you just copy an existing gun or hat script and paste it on the server using a different file?(if that made sense)

I'm not talking about simple things like that, we do have a few staff for that sorta thing, I mean like a whole solid update, which knowing how to copy/paste scripts would do nothing for.

fsh 10-11-2013 03:17 PM

Am I the only one who doesn't mind the tileset as it is

Rotaruc 10-11-2013 07:54 PM

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Posted by fsh (Post 418534)
Am I the only one who doesn't mind the tileset as it is

I don't mind I either.

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Posted by Dark Ice Cream (Post 418470)
Hey! I didn't say I need to work in a while just to get hired... I already bee making levels since I came to graalian forums.. Ya my first attempt was bad but I'm still learning.. You just like to take people badly like me.. It makes my confidence to low that u keep woring it out... And I'm not a show off.. I'm just getting feedbacks on how to make my levels good... Actually, I've been liking my job and I sincerely put my heart to my work not like u, mr. Critique... If anyone hates my level so be it! I'm still making! If you hate it, ignore it, don't comment bad things to it! Instead give me advices than blah blah bad blah blah a four year old can make that blah blah blah! Thats really how you act Rot!

You're being very immature.. I never said you were a show off or I hate your levels either. I actually gave u advice in your levels thread if I remember correctly. so?... Just gunna let u have ur "moment" I guess.....

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Posted by Tashkin (Post 418376)
The tileset project actually just started about 2 months ago and has been on hold for atleast 2-3 weeks now. We are far from that 6 month mark.

We cannot help that certain people leak information about what is being worked on. This is exactly why we don't want information leaked about anything. It only causes problems because players expect it to be done soon. Which isn't always the case and even at times projects get cancelled. I haven't hyped up any of these projects because I know that they can end up being cancelled. Sadly the leakers don't understand that and just give out the information anyway.

Oh. well that explains it. thx for the info

NeoZX 10-11-2013 08:31 PM

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Posted by Tashkin (Post 418520)
I am sure there will be a section on the map that will be in remembrance of the current iZone. :)

Great :) I really like memorials. They truly tell how important the olden days were.

G Fatal 10-11-2013 09:17 PM

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Posted by Tashkin (Post 418376)
leak
leaked
leakers

staff have to much communication with players/ingame 'friends' most people in development and who are high up(business sense) keep away from that and work to show what they can fully achieve, all these staff who leaked updates over and over really are the ones who inflict self damage into the server, as you said people will expect these updates and players will eventually pass the message onto others

Jester Lapse 10-11-2013 09:43 PM

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Posted by Dark Ice Cream (Post 418470)
Hey! I didn't say I need to work in a while just to get hired... I already bee making levels since I came to graalian forums.. Ya my first attempt was bad but I'm still learning.. You just like to take people badly like me.. It makes my confidence to low that u keep woring it out... And I'm not a show off.. I'm just getting feedbacks on how to make my levels good... Actually, I've been liking my job and I sincerely put my heart to my work not like u, mr. Critique... If anyone hates my level so be it! I'm still making! If you hate it, ignore it, don't comment bad things to it! Instead give me advices than blah blah bad blah blah a four year old can make that blah blah blah! Thats really how you act Rot!

someone translate.



In any case, iZone will never fully take off without a team that actually wants to get things done. Every time I log on (which is rare) a staff member is hosting events. Why are events still even a focus on iZone if this content that is being made is supposed to change the server? Why not have people hosting events contribute to the project so it gets done faster? It's not like there aren't NPC events being hosted all the time.
Secondly, do you really need a ZP team at all? Developers can easily take care of misbehaving players by reading reports, I did it all the time as GFX Admin -> Developer -> Server Admin. GP's are pretty useless with the player count that you have and in it's entirety, just gives kids a power trip. How many people that have played zone have not been a part of the staff team yet?
The tileset could be done in a month if you had your GFX team focus on it. Zone tilesets (if just talking skyworld, other worlds actually use Zone PC tiles), it's like what? 5-10 different sets? Instead of having your GFX team make hats for events, maybe they should focus on fixing up the server. I have seen the Delteria GFX team which consisted of 4 people knock out a tileset efficiently and quickly. Don't make excuses, you can do it.
The past 10 or so updates to Zone have been things that can be found on other servers or just a VIP item. In fact, zone hasn't had an update that it can call its own content since June 22nd, space slugs. If your player base wanted the content off of other servers, they would play those servers *points at "dolls" and events that are directly from iEra*

I once said I had faith that zone would go somewhere 3 months ago, now I am not so sure. Even with these "big projects" in development, is your team even good enough to complete a big project before you lose your player base? I dunno, but I do find it funny that some people that I do talk to on the staff team have a lack of faith as well.

GlazeyB 10-11-2013 09:45 PM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 418613)
someone translate.

"i suck at making levels, but **** you."

i like how things keep changing before they're done. it seems like a good strategy.

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Posted by Rotaruc (Post 418039)
Not at all. dear god. But unfortunately hes right >.>

Oh my dear idiot, how have you been? You've must of been so lost without me to guide you through your arguments.

Rotaruc 10-12-2013 01:26 AM

Missed u too cheap hoe.

doodleman171 10-12-2013 04:17 AM

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Posted by Cobalt (Post 418503)
I have one major question. Could we have a tileset memorial to the Shangri-La? Just with a Shawn statue inside?

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Posted by Tashkin (Post 418520)
I am sure there will be a section on the map that will be in remembrance of the current iZone. :)

How about having a mountain in which the remnants the skyworld are located after crashing?

Nyte* 10-12-2013 05:08 AM

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Posted by Tashkin (Post 418376)
The tileset project actually just started about 2 months ago and has been on hold for atleast 2-3 weeks now. We are far from that 6 month mark.

We cannot help that certain people leak information about what is being worked on. This is exactly why we don't want information leaked about anything. It only causes problems because players expect it to be done soon. Which isn't always the case and even at times projects get cancelled. I haven't hyped up any of these projects because I know that they can end up being cancelled. Sadly the leakers don't understand that and just give out the information anyway.

I smell Edward Snowden.

xander 10-12-2013 05:15 AM

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Posted by doodleman171 (Post 418706)
How about having a mountain in which the remnants the skyworld are located after crashing?

that would be cool :0

NeoZX 10-16-2013 12:20 AM

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Posted by doodleman171 (Post 418706)
How about having a mountain in which the remnants the skyworld are located after crashing?

Okay, Mind-Blown.


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