We the staff (stating our opinions on graal)
 

1. We do listen to players, majority of our ideas comes from feedback

2. We do wish to develop stuff for future updates

3. If you dislike the company why should the staff suffer the same fate yet everyone on this forum has or have signed up a staff application.

4. Trolling , saying staff don't care and won't do anything won't get things put in place.

5. Don't expect things to happen magically it takes time and patient everyone has a real life-behind the pc and infact we do this out of freelance.

6. Regardless of all the ideas and suggestions it's not our say to say yes it shall be added we still go through a process.

7. No i won't make cars like Era and add them to classic stop sending that on feedback please. This is classic not Era

8. This is to surely clear up my last post. No we don't get paid i laugh at the fact you believe me since i been a developer on Graal since 2002 i have not earn a penny i been on almost 12 servers in the past and i never regret making stuff for graal. No one gets paid except the company the gold or gelats that players spend in game doesn't go to staff either it just vanish in tin air.

9. You have your freedom of speech on this forums but bashing at the company and staff members such as what happen before, i take it clearly that staffs cannot troll as well if we wish to you guys take it serious. But note this is a unofficial forums related to graalonline if i did say what i said on graalonline.com then you can believe me.

/facepalm

Well said W!

The fault isnt of the staff. It's the fault of Stefan and Unixmad. The ones calling the shots and milking players.

I still don't get this concept of milking the players isn't there a free app for graal. Doesn't ever other free mmorpg game has there own personal pay for a way to get unique stuff. Don't get me wrong but doesn't stefan still offer free graal to play for all classic tab servers? Where is this so call milking?

Using a system to balance the game so not everyone has over 30+ mil gralats is being unfair? Maybe you should play zodiac and see how ridiculous the prices are cause the system was not fixed until fp came and did so yet prices still are high. You prob a era fan boy i'm just saying But know your facts even Era pc was once wipe completely because of high gralats i think there bank cross well over 400+ mil. It was complete unfair to newer players. So what's the issue if classic is trying to balance the system so newer players can get a chance same as the fact when nexus is open. It was open for 3 hours for a special and you guys just being greedy? what ever happen to the friendly graal community? It's your choice to pay for gralats or farm for them it's put there for a reason, so basically when something been reduce it was your choice from the very start.

Honestly you may think staffs are choosing side we are not in-fact players has more privilege than us which should be appreciated. Stefan runs the server we run the game so anything you complain about it's us who has to face the challenge.

well there is no economy in iclassic. you cant trade or give gralats, and earning gralats is boring and takes forever, litterally throwing bombs at a patch of grass over and over.

i laugh at your so called free graal. everything costs money. you cant even access places without buying a lantern.

dont compare this to a real server with a economy, other games have multiple ways to earn money, and thus have a way to get everything without paying. as for the server making money, ive suggested multiple techniques to generate money without costing players. none have been added because of stefan being afraid.

Yes Higbey, but no one is making you pay for all those things. For some reason all players feel as if they NEED to buy every new item on graal. No one is making them do it.

Furry is right what if i were to release say a new morph would you be pleased if everyone can afford it or would it just grow old in a day? This is graal economy to make people play more. It's by choice if you wish to farm or buy packages.

VIP makes the game feel P2P however.

And VIP gets a free item that a non-vip can get for all hard work monthly? :)

its supposed to be a game, not a freaking mall, Stefan and Unixmad need to get that through their heads.

http://www.dorkly.com/video/18620/do...-games-had-dlc

look at this.

What Furry said ^ You're not being forced to spend your money, that's your own choice, plus in a lot of other games you do need to get some things to access some places. Wether it's a game you play online or a game you play on your video game console, you get things like that..for example pokemon :D you can't capture any pokeon without buying the pokeballs to do it! Or maybe even Super Mario, you can't get some things without spending the gold coins you earn :o You'll find somthing like that in most games you will ever see.

I'm one of those players who use VIP to be able to play on my old account on PC, and get onto the iphone server. I couldn't care less about the item, so it feels P2P FOR ME.

You also don't need to buy an iTunes card to get a pokeball. This is Graal we're talking about. No one can farm anymore because the spawn rate still sucks and no one ever goes to the hour places anymore because farming was ruined.

Being able to play on your pc is a privilege. Because you have more advantages than a idevice user. If Graal client PC was to merge with facebook/iClassic they would infact need to pay more since they have a better advantage for cpu speed/processes.

those dont require real money to get, and you can earn the currency by playing, and earn a sufficient amount. that analogy doesnt work at all. stop trying to defend Stefan and Unixmad, they dont check this forum, you dont need to pretend to act like you agree with everything they do like little slaves.

Ok maybe you don't need to buy an iTunes card for pokemon, but you do for other Apps, no? And even then *some* games you play on a game console you can purchase things using a credit card and such. Graal is not the only game that people pay for things they want, there's are tons of other games just like this.

we have to pay to use our own electronics? pay for advantages from being on a pc? your really starting to piss me off with all this **** your pulling from your ass trying to defend Stefan and Unixmad. just give up, no one is going to honestly believe that what is being done is right and like normal games. there is no such economy, graal is like a freaking shopping mall, it has so much more potential, and Unixmad and Stefan are wasting it, i dont know if your just defending them because its your job and your afraid of what will happen if you speak against him, or maybe you honestly believe this crap and all the analogies that dont work at all.

The farming system used to be fine and no one complained. As soon as that horse update came out it p'd off a lot of people and hasn't been the same since. Yes, other apps require iTunes cards for items, but a lot of apps at least make it somewhat easy to get money. Graal it's hard just to get a single hat now a days.

I'm guessing you have alot of free times on your hands then if you wish to try and point that out. So even after you beat super mario in one day time you go beat it again day after day? Or try to see what sort of currency super mario gives in the entire game? Besides mario is based on 1 player this is a multiplayer game if you wish to get all the jolly good stuff w/o sharing in a process that not everyone can catch mew in pokemon. I think you should invest in a DSI or PSP. :love:

It's your choice to buy gralats just as the same process when i play league of legends i cannot get the skins if i'm a top ranking player but they do give free stuff once ina while but i still have to purchase if i feel it's needed. Same based facts for players if they feel the need to purchase a item and not look like a noob. Then you do so by your choice.

PS: Stefan never hired me so rant all you want.

i give up, they are just gonna keep making up ridiculous excuses for their masters and act like whats being done is right.

its pathetic how the stupid hierarchy system has suppressed all of opinions of our staff and resulted in this brainwashed "cant talk bad about my superiors even if they do screw up" mindset.

No, Higbey, we're defending them because what you're saying is a complete exaggeration. Graal is voluntary work, we have real lives, and when we are on Graal, we are usually working. The GAT team is making graphics all the time, the LAT team is making levels all the time. What do you think we do? Log on and play? We have bigger responsibilities now and we feel for the players that are unhappy with some of the things and we *try* are hardest to make it better. There's a *lottttt* of stuff that needs to be done. On top of people glitching, hacking, stealing, etc. Also people needing uploads and transfers etc. We are all humans, just because we're "Admins" doesn't give us god-like capabilities like you think. Xor works hard every day, so does Stefan and Unixmad. :\

God you folks complain a lot.

The paying thing won't go away. No amount of arguing or flailing your body on the ground in a temper-tantrum will make it go away. Believe me, I'm not a fan of paying money for anything. I'm a free-everything type of person. But if I can't change it, then please be sure as hell that you can't change it.

We gave out how much free stuff for Halloween? Please, complain more about that. If I remember correctly (which I do, because I headed up about 90% of all Halloween activities), almost all of the items were close to, if not at, 1 Gralat. Some stuff was a little more, but COMPLETELY buy-able if you spent maybe 10-15 minutes farming.

You're correct in stating that Graal has no economy. People complain about "hats being re-released they were so rare!!!1oneoneone" but HONESTLY. You can't trade the hat. You can't sell it. You can't give it to someone. You can't even throw it on the ground and stomp on it a few times to give it a tiny bit of a grass stain. There can't be any "rare" if there is no economy. Hat's cost their paying value currently, and that means nothing if you can't sell it or trade it. I personally would LOVE to have a trading system, as I've suggested it numerous times - but it is wayyy back on the back-burner (if it even happens).

Higbey, I don't understand why you complain so much if you "don't care, don't play". Normally I enjoy reading your bashings because I find it comical, but come on dude. Pull your panties out of a bunch (and stop wearing panties if so, that's for ladies) and go take a chill pill or something. You think everyone is 'out to get you'. I don't think you really look at things correctly - in fact, I know you don't. You have clouded judgement. You don't know where I stand on issues. You don't know what I do behind the scenes. And I won't tell you either. I can't. But honest to God, the staff are players as well. We don't like seeing stuff so expensive. So Chill out man.

no where have denied that. stay on topic, ive never said you were gods, i understand how your volunteers. no where have i ever said otherwise. no need to state the obvious.

or in other words, exactly what Az said. :P

and here we have it, the guy who actually can say that he disagrees with whats being done and can admit that his ideals are different from Stefan and Unixmad.

why cant they all be more like you? at least you dont try to bull**** about everything being great and you dont try to pretend like everything Stefan and Unixmad choose to do is great.

Masters? Do you honestly listen to your self are your like 11???
If you were a true graal player you would play it like most of the people i have met they don't have credit cards to buy itunes card or what not and they still enjoy the game?
The pay to play option is for people who wish to seek the easy way out.
I still don't get how i'm the one not playing graal i'm playing league of Legends they just announce a new hero which is due to come out next week. I don't even have enough currency to buy him but i have to go play games and win/loose some in order to get my credits up and then purchase him which won't even be on the same day he is released.

This is the same fact as graal you cannot get everything you want. So what about the tons and tons of event items that been given out for free? You guys really want to push buttons now?

lol higbey I never said it was perfect, did I not say we try to fix the problems? I agree with Az 100%

Nice spin on my thread and by the way is using stealth in the catheradel where no one goes considered part of staff to-do list, but anyway this is higbeys fight not mine.

wow good info. Did you make the walking panda on your icon :3

Dont ya think? EVERY ONE KEEPS COMPLAINING! ITS NOT A $25 GAME! GAMES IMPROVE OVER TIME. THEY DONT WANT TO HERE THIS BLAH BLAH THIS AND BLAH BLAH THAT, THEY ARE IMPROVING

I stealth in my own personal house.

I'm fairly certain it's not on the staff to-do list. However, it helps me because I'm not pestered by folks while I do Dev work. I guess I could stealth on top of the bank and get pestered. But then Dev work would be lacking. Whichever you prefer.

I apologize, I didn't realize we also couldn't take breaks every so often to read ever-so-nagging PMs about "take a pix w/ me plz" and "join my guild!1!On1one", or read reports on Feedback, or doing things on RC when I request staff member participation.

I didn't realize you knew all the behind-the-scene things going on. My apologies good sir. You're narrative omnipotent view is something I must have missed.

Well "My good sir" that post was directed towards warrlord not you.

He's one of my staff members, so when you direct something towards them, you inadvertently direct it towards me as well. :)

But I do appreciate the sentiment of you suggesting that I am a good sir as well. Thank you.

In my opinion, I think Graal Classic has went a bit over board with the hat selling and I think it's just big black hole of hats and money. It can be easily reversed though. I know the staff are being pushed pretty hard since the player count is demanding more and more updates and things to do. If we could just move away from the hats and towards more constructive updates that don't cost money, but perhaps take time to acquire the item at the end. You guys were right on the money with the Graalloween quests when you had to find the potion ingredients and return them to the statues. Players had a bunch of fun and it didn't cost them a penny.

Kinda funny and amusing how you question my work and what i do? How does this effect you, have i ignored you begging for a drag or simply didn't notice you ..

wait OMG your iHot then again iWho?

Like i state in one of my other post before i didn't join to say hey lets slaps each other backs and call it friendship. If you don't see what's behind your iDevice and don't know what's going on i think your little question applies to yourself :)

Me beg for a drag you must be kidding i learned my lesson after what old admins did they dragged me forever. I was simply at the catheradel and was like WTF when i saw words in air.

I feel that there should be areas that take more skill to get into, than money. Of course, leave the areas that need a draisine or a lantern, but add an area where there is a challenge to say, get a key that unlocks a door to another area.

Ok there's no need to get nasty towards each other >_< we all have our own opinions, but really...iHot, so what if you saw warllord on the cathedral? How does that affect you in any way? We all work whether you see it or not but you don;t need to yell at each other :|

Higbey, I think you need to listen to this song a little bit more.

lol admins are getting trolled so hard on here

YES!!! WINNNER!!!

give us TIME invested content NOT money invested.

I think I learned my lesson from buying a 20k hat that was sold for 1k just recently..
players might demand hats but give us something else for a change and they will conform en suite..

PS: I do believe the staff look at our suggestions here on the forums,
I posted this on October 10th: http://www.graalians.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1336
It might've been a coincidence but we got a maze quest when Halloween came

I think that Graal is a Game which isnt so expensive anyway. There are alot of games which you cant even play without paying *cough* WoW *cough* and they still are getting played. Be happy that you have a Game like Graal. I also kinda get annoyed if I dont get a hat, but I dont mind anymore because I know its being stupid. Last year I bought alot of furniture at special occasions and I sold it again to buy what? New stuf!!! I didnt really want to sell it but I did. Im not selling them anymore, just storing at my house. So like I said! Be happy to have an unexpensive game like graal

:D

PS: Maybe add 1 or 2 jobs, it's really hard to farm when you have real life, guild duty and other stuff going on. Just a suggestion

@Maikeru

I can't believe I just read all that lol. I think that summarizes both sides pretty well. One question remains though. How can we solve this dispute between the staff and the players?

iHot, are you accusing Warlord of slacking off and not doing his work? If you saw all the stuff he made for VIP and Christmas, you would regret what you just said.

I lol'd

Okay guys, all I'm gonna say is be open to other people's opinions. I've noticed on here that people will argue and argue, even when the other person's side of the case is prevailing.

Be ready to accept that you are wrong, and be open to the idea that someone else has a better idea of things than you. I could quote posts but I'm not going to. Nobody's gonna eat you if you decide to change your mind on something because somebody else who you're arguing with causes you to change your mind.

It's just stupid, all the arguing, when one person is determined to have a view point even when "wrong" is staring them straight in the face. I'm 95% sure that they no it, but don't wanna admit that they were wrong or changed their mind.

Why not? We'll all think higher of you.

Graal: it's like LTP that's MMP and tons of DLC with no PLOT!

If you hate the game so much, you don't have to play it.

Shut up and log off, we know you don't like the game, so shut up, we don't want to hear about it. I don't like games like COD for some reason, so you know what I do? I don't play them! Novel concept, really!

Nobody's forcing you to be here, so shut up and get off.

Lure him to the Steam forums. Theres much more to complain about there.

Kinda funny how they don't suffer the monthly subscription that most mmorpg has for like $19.99.