GFX Thieves
 

I'm sorry if this is confusing, this thread is no artwork so that is why i didn't put it under the creative corner. Anyway.. Many Graalians are complaining that their gfx are being stolen. I know that ifile is a download browser and all that, but there has to be a way to stop it. Does anyone know if there is a way that you can reroute the downloads and store them in a Staff Database? Or is there a way that you can reject any user that has a jailbroken device to enter the playing fields of Graal? There has to be a way to stop thieves from stealing gfx. As a pixel artist, it upsets me that people steal some of the things i made. I was also wondering if it would be possible to have the option to upload your head as a personal head, so that no one else can use it, just like personal shields. Hopefully many of you reading this thread want to stop these graphics thieves from stealing your creations. If you have any ideas please post them below. I would gladly appreciate it. Thank you for listening.

Graal always downloads the game files. Else you wouldn´t see them. So no you can´t disable it. Also you can´t force the iDevice not to open something in iFile. Also not giving jailbroken people access to the iServers would lower the playercount dramaticly and with that, also the money GraalOnline earns. Actually it´s profit for them if people steal heads, since players are actually uploading their stuff (and buy Gralat Packs for that some times). Also there is always a way, to get through the "barrier" of Graal files on any jailbroken device.

Heads are always personal, until they get stolen. Same for shields (can also get stolen). There is never a real way to proofe that you actually made the graphic.

Wouldnt work, Uploaders wont remember every head and the uploader, also if it does get stolen, then think of what the maker will do, most likely rage about it being promised PERSONAl and having it stolen.

The head wont be stolen if the file is personal.

But at the same time many graalians aren't uploadng their customs since they are afraid of them being stolen resulting in less money being earn for graal. There has to be a way to stop people from stealing heads.

As a pixel artist you would know by now there is nothing you can or cannot do but be thankful that people use your work. Reporting it is the best thing to do if you really want it removed but in the future someone will always edit/recolor your work.

PANDA :D but anyway, its different on era. Most admins ignore you unless you are friends with them. I have some admin friends and all that but im talking for all graal.

Sadly if there was a way to stop it, it still wouldn't be done. They are making money off it. And even if cutting off jail broken players would stop gralat hacking and such, it would cut off the graal population as people that dont want to restore will quit. And that would also reduce population... So as horrible as it is and as much as gfx hate it, as for now all you can rely on is the chance that a nice staff member will help you out.

No one is thankful people use their work because some of them don't even give the original creator credit or ask permission. I really wish they'd stop calling these customs personal because I think we all know they lost that name from the very beggining.

You would probably have to re-script entire sections of the application and gserver to get this going. Making temporary downloads could most likely fix this.

The next time I see a thread like this...
there's a simple solution. JUST PUT A COPYRIGHT ON IT. YOU WANT AN EXAMPLE? TRY MONKEY (NPC)'S CUSTOMS. I don't get why this is so hard.

i totally agree, i few months ago i made a head it was just mine for a cuple of weeks to a nub stole it and gave it away its also happened with a few shields to i HATE it.
-general s2

one of my supposed friends got his friend to hack me to get my body template so he could have it, and it took me ver ylong to make

Are you fking kidding me? wth is wrong with u?

Copyright can't be used due to you giving up all rights to it if you submit it to graal. Basically you could copyright it and not submit it then threaten to sue whoever steals it. Of course suing over a pixelated head is a waste.

Ugh... Here we go again:
Players who upload their head/body should know that once they upload it, the license of the head/body becomes Graal classic's property.

You can only request to remove the head/body from the entire game itself (which includes the removal of your head/body from you aswell) to prevent theft.

If you do wish to remove it, admins have the right to refund you only half of the original price (No exceptions. Its stamped right in the info kiosk in Graal town)

If you don't want your GFX stolen, then do not upload it! How hard is that!?!

^This
For once i can agree :) This was the same issue before on Graal Pc back in the old days. Simply do not put your graphics online, once it been uploaded it's now the property of GraalOnline.

So, I get that it's GraalOnline's property. But, and this question is a bit strange so bear with me, the people who take those heads and use them IN the game... Aren't doing anything? Technically. .... I confused myself. Ok, new question. Are the people who put these graphics on website violating anything?

Adding it to a website isn't a problem either way. It's basically the same process that you can look at heads on graal client pc folders but on a website. Long as the person isn't trying to sell the heads or ask for donations to keep their website up i see no problems.

No, no, no. I'm saying just put your name on the custom. Let's say that you have a custom. When you die, have your name instead of the dead animation. Simple.

I just can't see why somebody would want to take somebody's graphics, paint over them so they look even half as good as before and claim them as their own? You're practically saying, "See this crappy graphic? I didn't make it, I stole it. I couldn't even do something as crappy as that!"

Learning is the best way forward in my opinion.

Some people may steal another's graphics to get hired on servers.

Which is bad, imo.

Lalalalalalala we can all thank Soul Slayer for the stealers.

blake:D

Express yourself but don't claim it as your own.

I was going to take a head i liked the most and give it like a dark spiky hair and add some thin clear glasses to it.. but im not going to claim it as my own..

See, there are people that want to design some heads to their own content and they can't pretty much sprite it but only recolor it. Pretty much, people are claiming the heads as their own due to the edits/recolor they put their "effort" into it..

And you can't do anything about it. All heads and bodies that people post belong to GraalOnline Classic and the staff of GraalOnline Classic wants to see others express or get creative with these heads or one of their own.

Trust me, don't think that the admins only care about their heads. Ellybelly's,Iggy's,Matt's,Stella's,Artist's, and other admin's heads were recolored/edited and accepted in the process.

The same applies for bodies aswell

I remember a staff claimed once that their head that was stolen by a player was removed from the player because it was staff impersonation and that's the only reason why it was removed.

Total bull. The player had their own name, wasn't goldnamed, didn't have anything that would be claiming to be the said staff.

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Cut off jailbroken players from playing? My ipod is jailbroken, and i'm pretty sure i don't steal peoples art... They wouldn't be able to anyway, the app has no way of seeing if you're using a jailbroken device. So if that's what your saying, that's not a valid solution at all.. Haha

all the gralat hacking was done on pc but they stopped it for now.
blocking jailbroken devices wouldn't solve anything

Yes its bad stealing GFX work, but people now just ACCUSE people of stealing if their work if its a bit 'too' good.

Exactly they get jealous:S

Yes an no.
 

Obviously there are files on the game inaccessable to even those with ifile but if uploads were to be put in these folders server lag would highly increase. So either no gfx stealing or a nearly unplayable game.

Your ipod shouldnt even be jailbroken in the first place. If someone was capable of checking all the apps you downloaded illegal, you will be in deep ****. Thats pretty much saying that you have the cracked version of graal.

I'm pretty sure you have no clue what jailbreaking is. First of all, i do not download my apps for free. Second of all, people pirate far more expensive things than apps and get away with it. Jailbreaking simply allows you to use third party apps that arnt approved by Apple, and may i also mention that jailbreaking is COMPLETELY LEGAL in Canada, and as far as i'm concerned, USA aswell. Before attempting to call someone out as a hardened criminal, learn your facts.

I got these from http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...-jailbreaking/
Apple also told regulators that the nation’s cellphone networks could suffer “potentially catastrophic” cyberattacks by iPhone-wielding hackers at home and abroad (.pdf) if iPhone owners are permitted to legally jailbreak their shiny wireless devices.

Apple spokeswoman Natalie Kerris said Apple won’t change its policy that voids iPhone warranties if a phone has been jailbroken. “It can violate the warranty and cause the iPhone to become unstable and not work reliably,” she said.

Apple is pretty much implying that the dislike the use of jailbreaking an iDevice. I guess if you do not download copyrighted tender from installous, you are ok.

The jailbreaking exemption was part of a handful of exemptions announced Monday, including:

• allow owners of used cell phones to break access controls on their phones in order to switch wireless carriers.
• allow people to break technical protections on video games to investigate or correct security flaws.
• allow college professors, film students, documentary filmmakers and producers of noncommercial videos to break copy-protection measures on DVDs so they can embed clips for educational purposes, criticism or commentary.
• allow computer owners to bypass the need for external security devices called dongles if the dongle no longer works and cannot be replaced.
• allow blind people to break locks on electronic books so that they can use them with read-aloud software and similar aides.

Did You know you can restore your iPod/iPhone so it cannot be jailbroken through a previous backup you created by iTunes?

And your motive behind posting this wall of text was...?
From what I've read it's not illegal to have a Jailbroken device where i live, i never said Apple endorses it. Regardless of if it's illegal or not it's none of your concern.

Why not? And I don't think Apple's gonna spend thousands of dollars just to find out. Oh, and JBing in the US is legal. And besides, what's so bad about having the cracked version? It doesn't matter, it's just like the Free so no money loss there.
Mine's is jailboken because my dad is too much of a cheapfag to actually buy apps. In my first 200 hours, I had a cracked Era. Try playing Era Free for 200 hours, no AFK.

Jailbreaking is allowed in Graal in some cases

1.iFile is allowed because players use it to find heads/bodies/shields through the directory system in the Graal Classic App.

2.These hacks you refer to are only clientside. Most people will not see these hacks as if it doesn't mess around with the serverside at all.

Example: Rename the Skeleton Dragon's image file to Dragon.PNG (or whatever the dragon's image file is). It will show you as a Skeleton Dragon but in the Serverside, everyone will see that you're the regular Dragon, meaning you're not the Skeleton Dragon at all really

Graal Classic cannot be used for trainers, actual hacks through another app, or fake purchases. Any one of those used through jailbreaking will perma-ban your IP and your account from one of the staffs.

Jailbreaking is legal. There are just certain apps being illegal to use, just like these "Free-App-Downloaders". It´s up to the user if it will be used for illegal stuff or for legal stuff. Also having a cracked version of Graal doesn´t work anymore since about 1.5 years.

They are losing more money by not finding out. You said you have the cracked version, isnt that illegal? You are technically stealing money......

I understand what you are stating, but im talking about stealing gfx. Having a jailbroken device is legal, until you use it illegally.
Illegal actions:
-Stealing apps
-Stealing movies
-Stealing music
-Stealing gfx (for graal)

If you have ifile to observe whats going on and not stealing anything you are perfectly fine. People just dont get a jailbroken device just to have winterboard and change their background. They mostl likely use it to get free stuff. From my view point, jailbreaking is an illegal action.

Ive asked a number of administrators if ifile is ilegal. They all said that it isnt, UNLESS you steal other peoples work. Most of the people using ifile take other people's heads, bodies, and shields. Thats what im trying to get to you. The dont just have ifile to say they have it, they use it illegally by stealing people's gfx!!!

The [] is what im trying to point out. They just dont have ifile to say they have it, most of the users use it illegally. If you look at my previous post thats what im trying to point out.

No.. Allow me to kindly explain:
You can't use it to steal property of GraalOnline Classic and put it in another game/donation/etc.

You are 100% allowed to use any head and body in GraalOnline Classic to your advantage... As long as you're using it to create your own head/body for the upload system.. Thats not considered illegal.. Its Graalonline Classic's property once you upload it and if they said you can use it and edit/recolor it to your own advantage for the head/body upload system, then you can use it!

You don't want to use it? Don't! Who is forcing you!?

How many times did every admin and half of the people here have to repeat it?

I mostly play era, I have only 10 hrs on classic. I dont know if thats the same "rules" or not. I want to see it word for word, "if they said you can use it and edit/recolor it to your own advantage for the head/body upload system, then you can use it!" Ive never seen them say that at all. Is there a sign in Classic that states this?

It depends, what does the cracked version allow you to do?

Talking about whether jailbroken iDevices are right or not might be going a little off-topic here lol. My stance on stolen GFX's is that it 1) discourages original art and 2) makes people miss the bigger picture here; that if artists could have their own rights over their art, or even protection over their art, then the Graal income flow would expand.

For my first point, why the heck would I work on a head for a week if I know it's open on iFiles for stealing/re-coloring, and it'll be perfectly legal? It'd make more sense to grab the nearest head off of Soulslayer's website and recolor. So of course it's no surprise not many people are attempting at original art! There's no reason to.

My second point. Let's say that Graal decides to let artists keep their copyright of their head, or at least protects their art on iFiles in some way. I'm not saying either are possible, but work with me. Not everyone's going to throw glitter and suddenly do their own art, but there will be more reason to try doing things from scratch. With the environment like this, over a few months more and more art will be from scratch, because original art grabs more attention than recolors any day. Suddenly, people will want these heads/bodies that they can't achieve through iFiles. So what do they have to do? Make it themselves, or hire somebody to do it. People might feel generous and release their from-scratch heads/bodies for recolors. More templates for recolored heads/bodies = more room for imagination = more uploads.

This leaves Graal with more templates, more original artists, more people interested in personal heads/bodies, more uploads. This is the bigger picture I'm trying to prove.

:0 Amen.....

+Rep
Well said

No, since Era cracked is just like Free. No hats, no head packs, etc. No money loss since it's the same thing as Free.

There's only one cracked version, Era + cracked. Read what I stated in my previous post.

Isn't that the cracked Era+? If it was the free version, they would just download the free one from the App Store....

So basically, Era cracked lets you get stuff for free? Don't you get problems with the game if its cracked?

Ok guys, it's like this:
Era Cracked= Era Free
The reason I wasn't able to download the free was because my parents never bothered to open an iTunes account.
Fuzz, nope.avi

How about we get back on topic. They should be more strict towards graphic theives in my opinion...