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Ghettoicedtea 12-12-2013 08:22 PM

Destructible objects and get rid of ammo depletion
 
Im just wandering, if zone could make cover objects (sandbags fences those boxs etc) destructable? Whenever i go on planets like conquest all i see is people hide behind the sandbags and gates, i was thinking, you guys could make it so that the cover like those could have like 100HP and every time you whack it with the wrench you repair it by 10hp. Im noticing that if some one is behind cover, not only is it impossible to kill them from the front, but its also incredibly hard to take them out since they can just hug the cover.
I was thinking that once a cover has been destroyed, it takes 30 seconds for it to respawn.

Second thing i want to bring up is ammo depletion. As many people that are iera oldies like me, know this horror. when you select a weapon, it depletes the amount of ammo you have by its clip (250-232). In era you could just counter this with unlimited ammo. But in zone theres no way to counter this. If your like me and switch weapons a lot to adapt to the situation, its very aggravating that every time you switch weapons your ammo is depleted and you can't stay in the fight longer, this also just kills the grenade launcher. With you only having 10 shots and a clip of 6, most of the time i only get maybe 2 shots off before i have to switch weapons and then when you switch back to the launcher it has 0 ammo in it. Can this issue please be fixed? its hands down the most annoying thing in zone.

Ivy 12-13-2013 12:48 AM

Agreed!

xander 12-13-2013 12:30 PM

thanks for speaking out <3

Ryan 12-13-2013 01:56 PM

yes pls

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optimuswhat 12-13-2013 03:00 PM

^Oh god xD

Ghettoicedtea 12-13-2013 03:39 PM

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Posted by Ryan (Post 435833)

more like battlezone 2142

they essentaly already have battlefields conquest on iciria and choros so might as well follow through with the warfield themes

+rep, made me chuckle

David5642017 12-31-2013 05:36 AM

That reload is annoying. I know exactly what you mean. You guys should fix this, pronto!

Ivy 12-31-2013 08:45 AM

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Posted by David5642017 (Post 440268)
That reload is annoying. I know exactly what you mean. You guys should fix this, pronto!

Agreed! We probably won't have unlimited ammo much longer :(

Meatman204 12-31-2013 09:10 AM

Oh god, when you said wrench I thought we had to repair sentries and sh**.
Erectin a-
Spy sappin ma sentry!
NOooo!

Tashkin 12-31-2013 10:55 AM

Could somebody explain to me exactly what happens. How do you do this and can it be replicated? Please know that when you equip a weapon it automatically reloads.

Ivy 12-31-2013 02:59 PM

When the weapon slot tag at you pull out for hotkeys is equipped

Cookie Xanadu 12-31-2013 03:56 PM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 435643)
Im just wandering, if zone could make cover objects (sandbags fences those boxs etc) destructable? Whenever i go on planets like conquest all i see is people hide behind the sandbags and gates, i was thinking, you guys could make it so that the cover like those could have like 100HP and every time you whack it with the wrench you repair it by 10hp. Im noticing that if some one is behind cover, not only is it impossible to kill them from the front, but its also incredibly hard to take them out since they can just hug the cover.
I was thinking that once a cover has been destroyed, it takes 30 seconds for it to respawn.

Second thing i want to bring up is ammo depletion. As many people that are iera oldies like me, know this horror. when you select a weapon, it depletes the amount of ammo you have by its clip (250-232). In era you could just counter this with unlimited ammo. But in zone theres no way to counter this. If your like me and switch weapons a lot to adapt to the situation, its very aggravating that every time you switch weapons your ammo is depleted and you can't stay in the fight longer, this also just kills the grenade launcher. With you only having 10 shots and a clip of 6, most of the time i only get maybe 2 shots off before i have to switch weapons and then when you switch back to the launcher it has 0 ammo in it. Can this issue please be fixed? its hands down the most annoying thing in zone.

You noobs are too damn soft. This is how Zone has always been. Even on PC cover was an annoyance, but we found ways around it. As for depleting ammo; tough it out. It's most likely that you try to switch with your clip 3/4 full anyways so you auto-reload when you switch

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 435847)
more like battlezone 2142

they essentaly already have battlefields conquest on iciria and choros so might as well follow through with the warfield themes

+rep, made me chuckle

And Zone came way before Battlefield 2+...

XSTARX 12-31-2013 04:48 PM

Tap your ammo to reload. Great idea! Hope your unlimited ammo runs out soon so that you can trust an admin advise and keep tapping your gun icon to auto-reload it to spam more bullets and have ammo going to waste quicker.
Yeah sure...

Ghettoicedtea 12-31-2013 05:58 PM

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Posted by Tashkin (Post 440351)
Could somebody explain to me exactly what happens. How do you do this and can it be replicated? Please know that when you equip a weapon it automatically reloads.

ok download era, you have 100 rounds, then select a weapon, switch to another weapon, then back to the weapon you were using. You will notice that your ammo count will stay at 100. In zone, select a weapon, go to another weapon, go bact to your weapon, you will notice that you do not have your 250 rounds, instead you have 232. Thats the ammo depletion, very very very aggravating.

XSTARX 12-31-2013 06:35 PM

Not really. If you've used a PBP or some sort of different gun.
Like let's say bar-PBP, first ammo is 100, then it depletes to the amount PBP took.
100-16=84 ammo.
While zone is wasting more than that cause it's bullets store more than what others have.

Nyte* 12-31-2013 06:54 PM

No ones ever really brought attention to it as it's not very hard to get ammo in zone

Ghettoicedtea 12-31-2013 08:58 PM

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Posted by Nyte* (Post 440432)
No ones ever really brought attention to it as it's not very hard to get ammo in zone

this was bought to the era staff and getting ammo in that game is even easier and they still fixed the issue.

Blah64 12-31-2013 10:07 PM

I dunno how powerful the mobile servers are, but from all the fuss devs make about minimizing scripts, I suspect that making too many destructible objects would put too much of a strain on the server.

optimuswhat 12-31-2013 10:29 PM

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Posted by Blah64 (Post 440482)
I dunno how powerful the mobile servers are, but from all the fuss devs make about minimizing scripts, I suspect that making too many destructible objects would put too much of a strain on the server.

I'm pretty sure the servers are powerful enough to handle that.

Tashkin 12-31-2013 10:40 PM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 440418)
ok download era, you have 100 rounds, then select a weapon, switch to another weapon, then back to the weapon you were using. You will notice that your ammo count will stay at 100. In zone, select a weapon, go to another weapon, go bact to your weapon, you will notice that you do not have your 250 rounds, instead you have 232. Thats the ammo depletion, very very very aggravating.

Well it going from 250 to 232 is the reload. So you are saying every time you change your weapon that is going down? So you set a weapon once it goes to 232 and then change to another weapon it goes down another 18?

Ivy 01-01-2014 01:27 AM

its everytime you tap the hotkey. you don't have to change anything just tap it

XSTARX 01-01-2014 02:10 AM

Just tap your gun repeatedly and you'll see...

Nyte* 01-01-2014 07:35 PM

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Posted by Tashkin (Post 440494)
Well it going from 250 to 232 is the reload. So you are saying every time you change your weapon that is going down? So you set a weapon once it goes to 232 and then change to another weapon it goes down another 18?

Yeah this is what he's talking about, but it's supposed to be there.

Ghettoicedtea 01-02-2014 03:14 AM

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Posted by XSTÃRX (Post 440426)
Not really. If you've used a PBP or some sort of different gun.
Like let's say bar-PBP, first ammo is 100, then it depletes to the amount PBP took.
100-16=84 ammo.
While zone is wasting more than that cause it's bullets store more than what others have.

Not if you switch from a gun to another item, then back to a gun again.
But if you switch from one gun to another then the ammo depletes by the number of the two clips subtracted. Keep in mind, era has only one ammo type while zone has multiple.
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Posted by Tashkin (Post 440494)
Well it going from 250 to 232 is the reload. So you are saying every time you change your weapon that is going down? So you set a weapon once it goes to 232 and then change to another weapon it goes down another 18?

Yup if you change back to that weapon you were using. Nade launcher is a good example, i switch from gun a that has 200 shots to gl has 10 shots, fire a clip off (6). Then if you switch back to gun A ammo depletes to 172, then you go back to nade launcher and you have no ammo, so you switch to gun A and that depletes too 154.
Thats the ammo depletion thing.

XSTARX 01-03-2014 12:50 PM

Then blame the people who wanted make their ammo to be deplete because "oh! Zone has ammo lying everywhere. Why not make the ammo deplete when tapping the gun icon because it's easy to get ammo."
Why 250 is max when some other guns has high fire rate/low freeze shooting?
That makes the guns ammo to a wastage. Idc if ammo's are everywhere- I care about the guns doing a high damage.

Ghettoicedtea 01-04-2014 12:28 AM

i just don't understand why you lose 18 shots when you equip a gun, you should still have those 250 rounds, but 18 of them are in the gun, not it mysteriously vanishing

Ghettoicedtea 01-05-2014 06:45 PM

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Posted by Cookie Xanadu (Post 440388)
You noobs are too damn soft. This is how Zone has always been. Even on PC cover was an annoyance, but we found ways around it. As for depleting ammo; tough it out. It's most likely that you try to switch with your clip 3/4 full anyways so you auto-reload when you switch



And Zone came way before Battlefield 2+...

On pc though you dont have large amounts of people hiding behind cover and then by normal reactions, you get behind cover then you have this mexican standoff where everyone is behind cover invincible to the front spamming eachother.
This is the annoyance and this would shorten andmmake those dumb standoffs much shorter.

Nyte* 01-05-2014 10:25 PM

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Posted by XSTÃRX (Post 441269)
Then blame the people who wanted make their ammo to be deplete because "oh! Zone has ammo lying everywhere. Why not make the ammo deplete when tapping the gun icon because it's easy to get ammo."
Why 250 is max when some other guns has high fire rate/low freeze shooting?
That makes the guns ammo to a wastage. Idc if ammo's are everywhere- I care about the guns doing a high damage.

How much ammo you have and the damage on your gun have no correlation. So caring about then guns doing a high damage isn't relevant. Anyways I still don't see why it matters, what are you doing where you can't find ammo to get? It drops in all of the PVP planets: conquest, iricia, choros, spring, and showdown. If you're doing the skybases the ammo spawns inside all of them. If you're pking in sky world and you can't find ammo? Well then I just feel bad for you. When you spar your ammo is auto restocked to 250 same with showdown. Maybe it's just you guys because I never have ammo at a max of 250. It's not that big of a deal on regular guns but I could see it being taken off of the grenade launcher or lava/goonadier

NeoZX 01-06-2014 11:47 PM

VIP has unlimited, non VIP players have a clip.
Easy fix.

Ghettoicedtea 01-07-2014 03:46 AM

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Posted by Cobalt (Post 442661)
VIP has unlimited, non VIP players have a clip.
Easy fix.

No that will make everyone go to VIP and no one will leave to resupply

NeoZX 01-07-2014 05:14 AM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 442746)
No that will make everyone go to VIP and no one will leave to resupply

People that have been VIP for over a year.

Ghettoicedtea 01-07-2014 05:46 AM

still no. You should not be able to pay 7.5k a month and get a huge advantage basing by never having to leave the base to resupply ammo. thats pay2win.

NeoZX 01-07-2014 06:00 AM

I don't see why we need a clip.

Ivy 01-07-2014 03:09 PM

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Posted by Cobalt (Post 442800)
I don't see why we need a clip.

This

NeoZX 01-07-2014 09:15 PM

It's energy, so why does it need boxes of ammo.

Ghettoicedtea 01-09-2014 08:13 PM

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Posted by Cobalt (Post 442800)
I don't see why we need a clip.

the there will be infinate spam and firefights would be boring af as everyone would just continusly spam and mexican standoffs would last longer than they already do now.

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Posted by Cobalt (Post 442917)
It's energy, so why does it need boxes of ammo.

its energy cells, key word cells. If there was no cell then the energy would be everywhere in the air and unuseable.


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