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DragonRider 01-11-2014 10:18 AM

What quality makes a good leader?
 
Need 20 people to answer this for an English assignment. Just one quality please.

Jester Lapse 01-11-2014 10:48 AM

Write your paper about me and you will do just fine.

xander 01-11-2014 12:16 PM

not an ignorant b*tch

Platinum 01-11-2014 12:41 PM

Motivation or Persuasion

lord greg 01-11-2014 01:14 PM

Dedication.

Admiral 01-11-2014 01:31 PM

Respect for others.

Ryan 01-11-2014 02:50 PM

Maturity

Blueh 01-11-2014 10:27 PM

Ambition

NeoZX 01-11-2014 10:48 PM

Bonds

Dusty 01-11-2014 11:34 PM

Invoking fear and manipulation.

fp4 01-11-2014 11:40 PM

Clear and concise instructions in a well-formatted PDF.

Latte 01-11-2014 11:42 PM

Ability to invoke team work within the group/society.

Tyler 01-12-2014 01:13 AM

One who puts others before themselves.

DragonRider 01-12-2014 12:11 PM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 443883)
Write your paper about me and you will do just fine.

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Posted by xander (Post 443892)
not an ignorant b*tch

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Posted by fp4 (Post 444050)
Clear and concise instructions in a well-formatted PDF.

My teacher DID say the answers didn't matter...

Rufus 01-12-2014 12:26 PM

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Posted by fp4 (Post 444050)
Clear and concise instructions in a well-formatted PDF.

:blush:

Kendama 01-12-2014 03:16 PM

Dedication, Earning respect within the heart of what you lead. People need to truly respect you, instead of just taking orders because they have to. You also need to respect everyone who is with you in your cause. It doesn't mean let them get to act like the leader, but it means try to view things from their perspective too.

5hift 01-12-2014 03:19 PM

Cooking.

REALLY good cooking.

If my boss was a good cook,

I'd just about do anything for him/her.

MrSimons 01-12-2014 03:33 PM

A voice that can be heard.

NeoZX 01-12-2014 04:25 PM

Blonde Hair

randomuser3954 01-12-2014 04:29 PM

A psychopath.

MattKan 01-12-2014 04:38 PM

An ability to lie

Pazx 01-12-2014 04:52 PM

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Posted by Reece (Post 443909)
Respect for others.

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Posted by xander (Post 443892)
not an ignorant b*tch

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Posted by Ryan (Post 443915)
Maturity

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Posted by Tyler (Post 444076)
One who puts others before themselves.

So basically don't be Jester Lapse.

Crono 01-12-2014 06:18 PM

respect? selfless? these aren't traits of a good leader

a good leader is manipulative and stubborn.

Era News 01-12-2014 06:33 PM

Sexual appeal.

Blueh 01-12-2014 06:41 PM

A unique mustache. Every great historical leader had a cool mustache.

Era News 01-12-2014 07:15 PM

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Posted by Blueh (Post 444273)
A unique mustache. Every great historical leader had a cool mustache.

Yeah hitler was great.

xDesire 01-12-2014 08:09 PM

Trustworthy

Jester Lapse 01-12-2014 09:18 PM

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Posted by Era News (Post 444283)
Yeah hitler was great.


Hitler was actually a great leader

his morals and objectives were effed up

but as a leader, he was top notch

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Posted by Pazx (Post 444249)
So basically don't be Jester Lapse.

My name never seems to leave your mouth, you have some fetish for me or something you wanna admit or what?

MattKan 01-12-2014 09:38 PM

Hint: When somebody talks badly about you it does not mean they like you. Funny, right?

Dusty 01-12-2014 10:15 PM

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Posted by Jester Lapse (Post 444326)
Hitler was actually a great leader

his morals and objectives were effed up

but as a leader, he was top notch

He was effective, but I don't think great. People tend to associate the word "great" with good, considering it's synonymous.

Motrox 01-12-2014 10:27 PM

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Posted by DragonRider (Post 443878)
Need 20 people to answer this for an English assignment. Just one quality please.

hah we had this discussion in class not too long ago :p

5hift 01-12-2014 10:50 PM

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Posted by Era News (Post 444283)
Yeah hitler was great.

Hitler's mustache was fake.

He wasn't worthy of such a good mustache.

Instead he disgraced that style of mustache.

Crono 01-12-2014 11:13 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 444359)
He was effective, but I don't think great. People tend to associate the word "great" with good, considering it's synonymous.

He was a great leader, just wasn't a great person.

DragonRider 01-12-2014 11:16 PM

I just woke up

Hitler?

Jester Lapse 01-12-2014 11:48 PM

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Posted by Dusty (Post 444359)
He was effective, but I don't think great. People tend to associate the word "great" with good, considering it's synonymous.

Great: of ability, quality, or eminence considerably above the normal or average.

I think that is Hitler's leadership no? Not saying he was a good person, but in terms of his leadership and his ability to mind control people, he was pretty damn great at it.

DragonRider 01-13-2014 12:09 AM

Thanks guys
http://i.imgur.com/u9cGTg7.jpg
You're not making this easy for me

5hift 01-13-2014 12:59 AM

You didn't include cooking?!

MementoJoker 01-13-2014 09:53 AM

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Posted by Crono (Post 444380)
He was a great leader, just wasn't a great person.

He was a good speaker. His economic policies ended unemployment and the wage went 10% up, but there were a lot of problems that came with his policies (can't recall at the moment). Also his military decisions were horrible and his stubborness ended in him not listening to his generals. There was no way he could have won simultaneously fighting the USSR, USA and UK.
The only thing interesting in Mein Kampf is its historical value and the book itself is badly written.

MrSimons 01-13-2014 09:58 PM

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Posted by MementoJoker (Post 444519)
but there were a lot of problems that came with his policies (can't recall at the moment).

Like the death of a few million people?

Steam Wizard 01-13-2014 10:11 PM

what kind of leader are we talking about??? There's the hitler kind of leader, then there's the kind of leader they tell us to be at school like "ohhh, to be a leader you should help people and speak for yourself and be nice."

MementoJoker 01-14-2014 09:52 AM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 444621)
Like the death of a few million people?

I was talking about his economic policies.

Platinum 01-14-2014 11:27 AM

History is written by the winners.

Talon 01-14-2014 03:36 PM

Hitler was either great or awful, depending on which standpoint you want to view a leader from. As a speaker, I believe he was one of the greatest of all time with his skill in controlling the masses and moving an entire nation towards falsified greatness. However, even after reading Mein Kampf, his morals and ideals for the nation were ridiculously twisted and that's clear to pretty much everyone. Even as a military leader, while his tactics were nothing short of great, his strategy was absolutely terrible and ultimately why Germany stood no chance in WWII.

Era News 01-14-2014 06:53 PM

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Posted by Talon (Post 444812)
Hitler was either great or awful, depending on which standpoint you want to view a leader from. As a speaker, I believe he was one of the greatest of all time with his skill in controlling the masses and moving an entire nation towards falsified greatness. However, even after reading Mein Kampf, his morals and ideals for the nation were ridiculously twisted and that's clear to pretty much everyone. Even as a military leader, while his tactics were nothing short of great, his strategy was absolutely terrible and ultimately why Germany stood no chance in WWII.

Lmao his strategy was not bad, it was probably one of the most effective armies out. I believe hitler truly could of won WWII if it wasn't for a couple of major stuff ups, he was generations ahead of his competition military wise (U-Boats for example).

Hitler was not a good leader, towards the end of his reign he started to make stupid decisions (I feel Stalingrad was a big one) even while his high ranking army officials were telling him not to do it.

Ivy 01-14-2014 07:05 PM

Something like Napoleon, but less narcissistic

MementoJoker 01-14-2014 07:10 PM

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Posted by Era News (Post 444840)
Lmao his strategy was not bad, it was probably one of the most effective armies out. I believe hitler truly could of won WWII if it wasn't for a couple of major stuff ups, he was generations ahead of his competition military wise (U-Boats for example).

Hitler was not a good leader, towards the end of his reign he started to make stupid decisions (I feel Stalingrad was a big one) even while his high ranking army officials were telling him not to do it.

LOL Hitler would have never won the war, even if he hadn't done Operation Barbarossa.
Had he conquered England, Stalin would just be waiting for him at the other side.
He would have needed supernatural luck to win against the USSR.
No, Germany did not have WMDs unlike the US and the SU was in the process of developing WMDs.
If it wasn't the USSR that would have attacked an exhausted Germany with nuclear weapons or not, the US would have nuked Berlin.
Also Hitler was already extremely lucky to his rise to power, during the 1933 voting (his party never got an absolute majority) and his failed assassination in 1938.

lord greg 01-14-2014 07:11 PM

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Posted by Era News (Post 444840)
Lmao his strategy was not bad, it was probably one of the most effective armies out. I believe hitler truly could of won WWII if it wasn't for a couple of major stuff ups, he was generations ahead of his competition military wise (U-Boats for example).

Hitler was not a good leader, towards the end of his reign he started to make stupid decisions (I feel Stalingrad was a big one) even while his high ranking army officials were telling him not to do it.

Stalingrad cost Germany the war along with the failure to crush Britain. However the U-Boats were used in WWI if I remember correctly and Hitler wasn't bothered with them to start with but a few admirals pushed the idea forward.

MementoJoker 01-14-2014 07:13 PM

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Posted by lord greg (Post 444847)
Stalingrad cost Germany the war

Read my post, Germany would've lost regardless if they had attacked the SU or not.

lord greg 01-14-2014 07:22 PM

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Posted by MementoJoker (Post 444849)
Read my post, Germany would've lost regardless if they had attacked the SU or not.

Not necessarily. America was defending its allies so if Germany had crushed Britain like France then America might have stayed out of the war. Germany was also starting to try and produce nuclear weapons and already had the deadly V1 and V2 rockets which could have turned the war in their favour. They also had the first jet fighters that if mass produced and used correctly could have defeated any air force.

MementoJoker 01-14-2014 07:31 PM

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Posted by lord greg (Post 444853)
Not necessarily. America was defending its allies so if Germany had crushed Britain like France then America might have stayed out of the war. Germany was also starting to try and produce nuclear weapons and already had the deadly V1 and V2 rockets which could have turned the war in their favour. They also had the first jet fighters that if mass produced and used correctly could have defeated any air force.

Well under Hitler's leadership they would have never won.
If Germany, with its scientific progress in 1939-40 (which surpassed a lot of nations that eventually caught up a year or two later) had attacked Britain, made a pact with the USSR which would've feared attacking Germany at the time, the US would have stayed out and the joint scientific-militaristic cooperation of the then German leader and Stalin would be very benefical and America wouldn't have dared attacking. But everything I'm stating is all probabilty and I don't think the ideologies of Stalin and of another German leader would meet halfway.
The point I'm trying to make is that Nazi Germany would have lost with the stubborness of Hitler no matter what.
Which proves that Hitler was not only failing at the end of the war but in the beginning as well.
Hitler was just an extremely lucky individual who made a lot of aweful decisions.
His rejection from art school, his life being saved in World War 1 (debatable) by a British Private, Hitlerputsch (coup), his badly written book that got famous, his failed assassination in 1938.


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