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Thallen 03-10-2014 03:17 PM

BRING BACK SPAR HATS
 
and additional hats for PK and BK milestones.

I'm not even going to type a novel on why this would be helpful, because it'd probably be ignored and the reasons seem glaringly obvious.

10k, 20k, 30k, 40k, 50k spar wins
100k, 200k, 300k, 400k, 500k PKs and BKs

It's 15 total hats (and spar hats can even be reused, so it's less than that). I'm pretty sure the graphics team can knock that out in a week. People would immediately idle less and start sparring, PKing, and BKing more.

Why can't you just do it? There's literally no reason you shouldn't do it and plenty of reasons why you should, so why not?
Someone before told me that admins were abusing it and giving them out (manually) which let them give them to friends. I am 100% confident that FP4 or Dusty is capable of scripting a damn NPC that you can walk up to, it checks your stats, and adds the appropriate hat to your account.

If you aren't cool with hats, give out trophies like you do with the seasonal events. Give out gralats, it doesn't matter. Incentivize it so more people do it, please.

PumaD 03-10-2014 04:46 PM

Rewards?

nah

Sicx 03-10-2014 07:00 PM

another idea would be like staking gralats with sparring

Xenthic 03-10-2014 10:08 PM

uh rewards for PK eh idk PK has always been about motivating yourself to PK and PK even more personally I think only me, Michael, Angel and probably a few more idk deserve rewards for Pking that extra mile and still Pking actively whereas most people give up around 100k - 150k.

I got a gold muscular statue of Xor for being my 500000 xD with along a 1k messages in under 15 seconds :o andddd I'm still Pking probably to 1 million idk if there is a reward but I might PK even more due to it being so fun and addictive o.o

I think spar hats should be awarded at 40k wins because they also have gone that extra mile which also gives them an exclusive feeling because only them have reached that and only they deserve it and continued to do what they enjoy.

Baddie kills I'm not sure people would probably fight over bats because they're easy roughly 2k every 3 - 5 hours.

Yeah if not hats trophies would be pretty cool.

Santa Claus 03-10-2014 10:21 PM

No.

Livid 03-10-2014 11:04 PM

First of all no one would easily reach 10k spar wins like the other "pro" sparrers. 100k pks or bks? Dude not many people can make it to 15k not to mention a little too far up.

GOAT 03-11-2014 01:11 AM

lol aww how cute, hey old man you finally made the transition from pc no life loser to an iphone no life loser. congrats you're one of them :D





OT: ya give the people their stat milestone hats but current stats shouldn't count, only the stats acquired after the day in which they make this addition to classic.

Santa Claus 03-11-2014 05:16 AM

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Posted by Livid (Post 458958)
First of all no one would easily reach 10k spar wins like the other "pro" sparrers. 100k pks or bks? Dude not many people can make it to 15k not to mention a little too far up.

even if this is a idea I dont really want to happen I rather make it up to 100k or more.

If people aren't that into pking or killing baddies they should get the hat.
Making it as low as 15k is stupid I know you didn't say to make it 15k but still you are saying to make it lower.
Before it was 40k

twilit 03-11-2014 05:37 AM

no.
Not exactly an advocate for rewards for individual stats. I guess ill give the run-down again: Individual rewards were removed because of abuse; Stats would be abused more than they already are without the motivation. Players shouldnt need the motivation for a linear, quantitative stat; in fact they dont need motivation because spar PK and BK are still popular activities. As time goes on, the people who reach these milestones exponentially grow: staff arent going to keep track of God-knows-how-many-hundred-thousand graal accounts for people who have 10k wins, 100k PK or 100k BK.

Edit: after reading the end of OP, my last comment is unnecessary
You say, "Incentivize it so more people do it." Why is it important for people to make these milestones? It wouldnt promote higher participation rates for these activities; the only people who dont spar pk bk are the role players, who wouldnt bother even with the motivation.

Crono 03-11-2014 09:41 AM

If I was in a position of power I would just host a monthly 1v1 tourney for the top ~25-30 sparrers.

Bubba De Orc 03-11-2014 11:37 AM

Good idea

If it can bring back people from Xenthic from the dead, then why not?

Thallen 03-11-2014 01:24 PM

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Posted by Santa Claus (Post 458949)
No.

that logic and reasoning, thanks for your input

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Posted by Livid (Post 458958)
First of all no one would easily reach 10k spar wins like the other "pro" sparrers.

there's like 100 people with 10k spar wins so I have no idea what you're talking about
not a single statistic on this game is hard to achieve, it just takes time
I don't really care what the milestone numbers are or whatever, so arguing that point is moot

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Posted by twilit (Post 459061)
Individual rewards were removed because of abuse

that's easily taken care of if staff get off their asses and put measures into place to catch people who boost, and it's already pretty clear who does the boosting when there are public leaderboards so it really isn't nearly as severe of a problem as you make it seem

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Posted by twilit (Post 459061)
staff arent going to keep track of God-knows-how-many-hundred-thousand graal accounts for people who have 10k wins, 100k PK or 100k BK

what
there is no "keeping track" required
you touch an NPC and if you have the required stats, the hat is added to your account

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Posted by twilit (Post 459061)
It wouldnt promote higher participation rates for these activities

what the hell would make you think that at all
what happens when the GST comes around, the guild spar arenas go from 0-10 people in them to 50+ (both of them) every day leading up to it
all for a ******ed little hat



a competent staff member should take 1 hour out of their day to make this happen so that less people sit around and chat and actually participate in the game
not liking the idea for opinionated or personal reasons doesn't really make sense, I'm suggesting it because it'd make the game more active and lively overall because I guarantee if they announced that spar hats were back today there would be a streak room queue of 20+ immediately

PoeticFolly 03-11-2014 01:54 PM

Spar hats and pk hats are an absolutely great idea. They've been on iera for a while and they're just a really good thing to achieve. If you think they shouldn't be added into classic, I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, but it is.

NeoZX 03-11-2014 01:55 PM

No.

Because everyone else was saying it so..

Thallen 03-11-2014 02:14 PM

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Posted by Xenthic (Post 458946)
if there is a reward but I might PK even more due to it being so fun and addictive

skipped this reply

ya, I don't need any motivation to keep sparring because I enjoy doing it, but I know it'd encourage other people to do it
everyone who PKs or spars sets personal goals and stuff like that for themselves, and I don't even care about hats but it's nice to have some symbolism of the achievement

IDK, just feels like more people would be interested in playing these parts of the game when you add achievements to them

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Posted by Crono (Post 459083)
If I was in a position of power I would just host a monthly 1v1 tourney for the top ~25-30 sparrers.

same, first thing I'd do is restructure the spar leaderboard, then add spar/PK hats, then probably organize a singles tournament and some sort of week-long PK tournament where the player with the most kills in that time period gets some kind of prize

Crono 03-11-2014 05:00 PM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 459116)
same, first thing I'd do is restructure the spar leaderboard, then add spar/PK hats, then probably organize a singles tournament and some sort of week-long PK tournament where the player with the most kills in that time period gets some kind of prize

I don't really care for PKers, but that's just me.

#saintlyfe

Zetectic 03-11-2014 05:56 PM

conclusion: i like dis **** so let's do this.
rep+

GOAT 03-11-2014 06:35 PM

Hey Buran!! Where you at? This is the time to bring up the point about making bug collecting a stat. Bug collectors should get hats too. Same thing for afk'ng studs like blueh and axel74, those guys deserve hats too. Also, implement a popular rating so all the popular players like Maeby get a hat too. Did I miss anyone?

Thallen 03-11-2014 08:26 PM

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Posted by Crono (Post 459132)
I don't really care for PKers, but that's just me.

#saintlyfe

same, can't believe these little guys managed to get so many kills in such little time though, 6 people with over 300k kills
I think only NJ had 300k+ on UN and that was over the course of like 8 years, plus a kill was 2 damn hits on UN, 6 hits here

there's a huge playercount difference but still

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Posted by GOAT (Post 459148)
This is the time to bring up the point about making bug collecting a stat. Bug collectors should get hats too.

I'm not opposed to that idea at all really, I just don't care about it in this thread
the reason I mention these stats is because there were rewards for spars and PKs in the past, and I don't particularly understand why they were removed rather than "fixed" (assuming spar hats were removed for that **** Ashur did)

Craftz 03-11-2014 08:43 PM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 459148)
Hey Buran!! Where you at? This is the time to bring up the point about making bug collecting a stat. Bug collectors should get hats too. Same thing for afk'ng studs like blueh and axel74, those guys deserve hats too. Also, implement a popular rating so all the popular players like Maeby get a hat too. Did I miss anyone?

We need a hat for longest time spent pretending to be a dumb baby.

fp4 03-12-2014 05:46 AM

ok we'll do it.

Crono 03-12-2014 10:42 AM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 459158)
same, can't believe these little guys managed to get so many kills in such little time though, 6 people with over 300k kills
I think only NJ had 300k+ on UN and that was over the course of like 8 years, plus a kill was 2 damn hits on UN, 6 hits here

there's a huge playercount difference but still

Yeah it's pretty sick.

ufoburan 03-12-2014 10:58 AM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 459148)
Hey Buran!! Where you at? This is the time to bring up the point about making bug collecting a stat. Bug collectors should get hats too. Same thing for afk'ng studs like blueh and axel74, those guys deserve hats too. Also, implement a popular rating so all the popular players like Maeby get a hat too. Did I miss anyone?

Lol I've been summoned. I don't think It's a surprise to anyone that I'm completely against this. I will try to keep this short and not complain...to much.

Why in the blue hell should they or would they deserve more hats??? The no life sparrers all ready have there own tournaments where they get exclusive items and hats every 3-4 months. Its all ready hard or nearly impossible for your average player to even get on a team that is able to get in to the GST to begin with.

So simply put sorry but,NO we do not need this. You have your gst's is that not enough?

PoeticFolly 03-12-2014 11:26 AM

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Posted by ufoburan (Post 459300)
Lol I've been summoned. I don't think It's a surprise to anyone that I'm completely against this. I will try to keep this short and not complain...to much.

Why in the blue hell should they or would they deserve more hats??? The no life sparrers all ready have there own tournaments where they get exclusive items and hats every 3-4 months. Its all ready hard or nearly impossible for your average player to even get on a team that is able to get in to the GST to begin with.

So simply put sorry but,NO we do not need this. You have your gst's is that not enough?

It's a hat. It's not like they're making them staff for getting spar wins. It's literally a few pixels that go on your head. And people should be rewarded for putting time and effort into sparring.
Hats don't take too long to make, it's a great idea.

Thallen 03-12-2014 11:36 AM

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Posted by fp4 (Post 459253)
ok we'll do it.

WTF
not sure if serious but really hoping so

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Posted by ufoburan (Post 459300)
Why in the blue hell should they or would they deserve more hats???

you don't get it, it isn't just about the reward, it's about encouraging more activity and bringing more people to sparring, PKing, and BKing and distributing players around the map and getting people to participate in the game more and sit around less

it's no secret the community is way into hats, so maybe now instead of sitting around and chatting a few people will say, "hey, I really want the 200k PKs hat" and start towering or PKing more actively

the proof is in the simple fact that so many less people would tower or participate in the GST if there was no reward

Thallen 03-12-2014 12:41 PM

and it's just my opinion, but I think some good reward numbers numbers are:
  • 10k, 20k, 30k, 40k, 50k for spar
  • 100k, 200k, 300k, 400k, 500k for PKing
  • 50k, 100k, 150k, 200k, 250k for BKing

or some divisible equivalent (divide all by 2, etc.)
I say that because there are 3 people with over 50k spar wins, 1 (nearly 2) with over 500k PKs, and 2 (I think?) with over 250k BKs so it leaves the upper tier exclusive while the lower tiers would have 100+ people in them
I said 100k, 200k, 300k, 400k, 500k for BKing in the OP but that's really steep

and by that logic, 1 spar win = 10 kills = 5 BKs
again, just my opinion but I feel those equivalents are pretty balanced

the numbers aren't important, but just getting the incentive out is what really interests me

super kurosaki 03-12-2014 02:11 PM

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Posted by Livid (Post 458958)
First of all no one would easily reach 10k spar wins like the other "pro" sparrers. 100k pks or bks? Dude not many people can make it to 15k not to mention a little too far up.

lol. it took me 5-6 months to get 10k. livid let me teach you something, if you spar for wins, stay in the streak rooms and streak instead of chasing noobs around rooms looking for wins. 100k pks? 500 kills a day would get you to 100k pretty easily.

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Posted by ufoburan (Post 459300)
Lol I've been summoned. I don't think It's a surprise to anyone that I'm completely against this. I will try to keep this short and not complain...to much.

Why in the blue hell should they or would they deserve more hats??? The no life sparrers all ready have there own tournaments where they get exclusive items and hats every 3-4 months. Its all ready hard or nearly impossible for your average player to even get on a team that is able to get in to the GST to begin with.

So simply put sorry but,NO we do not need this. You have your gst's is that not enough?

ANY guild that participates in the GST gets an item even if they dont pass the first round. so your point in invalid

NeoZX 03-12-2014 02:46 PM

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Posted by ufoburan (Post 459300)
Lol I've been summoned. I don't think It's a surprise to anyone that I'm completely against this. I will try to keep this short and not complain...to much.

Why in the blue hell should they or would they deserve more hats??? The no life sparrers all ready have there own tournaments where they get exclusive items and hats every 3-4 months. Its all ready hard or nearly impossible for your average player to even get on a team that is able to get in to the GST to begin with.

So simply put sorry but,NO we do not need this. You have your gst's is that not enough?

Can I have a bug pls

PoeticFolly 03-12-2014 04:33 PM

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Posted by super kurosaki (Post 459322)
lol. it took me 5-6 months to get 10k. livid let me teach you something, if you spar for wins, stay in the streak rooms and streak instead of chasing noobs around rooms looking for wins. 100k pks? 500 kills a day would get you to 100k pretty easily.



ANY guild that participates in the GST gets an item even if they dont pass the first round. so your point in invalid

500 pks a day will get you to 100k pks in about six and half months, roughly. I'm currently trying to go for 1k pks a day and have a ridiculously good hour:kill ratio. But with spars, sometimes I do good and other times I'm awful. Was like that for era. I just don't know the tricks of sparring on classic.

Mizochi 03-12-2014 04:51 PM

This is a no brainer, if this goes through it will be so nice seeing everyone more active :P

GOAT 03-12-2014 05:19 PM

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Posted by Craftz1 (Post 459160)
We need a hat for longest time spent pretending to be a dumb baby.

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Posted by fp4 (Post 459253)
ok we'll do it.

3k hrs I spent asking people to adopt me will finally paid off.

Droid 03-12-2014 05:23 PM

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some sort of week-long PK tournament where the player with the most kills in that time period gets some kind of prize
I agree with everything besides this, because there are players that can spend all day on graal and easily hit 8000+ PK a day.

Apart from that, I think Graal needs more achivements to gain as there is something to work towards. :D

Good work, Thallen.

Winter 03-12-2014 06:17 PM

This could make the competitive side more active. Those opposed to the idea are generally more passive players. Since the game was never intended to be played a specific way, nobody can really be proven right or wrong about the main goals. Everything is personal.

To each his own. If it fuels the flame of competition, I say go for it. Olympic medalists receive awards that I have no realistic chance at, but I'm not upset about it. For the record, I personally don't care about a hat, or even the notoriety from an achievement.

Xenthic 03-12-2014 08:01 PM

500K hat and 1 million hat.

50k spar win hat and 100k spar win hat.

Weekly PK rewards? no.

bbobb 03-12-2014 09:42 PM

Yeah, I honestly agree with everything so far that doesn't state, "no."

Dark Warrior 03-12-2014 09:51 PM

Ik they need them back!

Thallen 03-12-2014 09:55 PM

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Posted by Xenthic (Post 459398)
500K hat and 1 million hat.

50k spar win hat and 100k spar win hat.

that's steep man
I agree that when you hit 1 million PKs and when Shan (or Sarah) hits 100k wins you should get something special, but hopefully something other than a hat

or if it is a hat, a hat that you choose and upload
hopefully if this is followed through with, the milestone numbers are both reasonable and scale to a relatively high level though so there's always more to achieve

iHot 03-12-2014 10:02 PM

Why is this such a controversial topic? It's merely a reward for the people who have worked hard to get better at something.

Thallen 03-12-2014 10:56 PM

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Posted by iHot (Post 459412)
Why is this such a controversial topic? It's merely a reward for the people who have worked hard to get better at something.

a hallmark of the iClassic community is being pessimistic and jealous/hateful over things that other people have or accomplish

but I agree, there's literally no reason to say "no" because how does it negatively affect anyone who doesn't want to participate

super kurosaki 03-12-2014 11:09 PM

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Posted by PoeticFolly (Post 459364)
500 pks a day will get you to 100k pks in about six and half months, roughly. I'm currently trying to go for 1k pks a day and have a ridiculously good hour:kill ratio. But with spars, sometimes I do good and other times I'm awful. Was like that for era. I just don't know the tricks of sparring on classic.

You should try 2k+ on weekends & when you get out for springbreak(implying you go to school) try to get 2k pks or more. it will help alot. Sparring, you'll just have to work on your technique and figure out how your opponent spars & find a flaw in it and use it to your advantage. sorry lol this is so off topic

PoeticFolly 03-12-2014 11:19 PM

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Posted by super kurosaki (Post 459434)
You should try 2k+ on weekends & when you get out for springbreak(implying you go to school) try to get 2k pks or more. it will help alot. Sparring, you'll just have to work on your technique and figure out how your opponent spars & find a flaw in it and use it to your advantage. sorry lol this is so off topic

I'm on spring break right now actually, haha. But I've just been sleeping a lot. But I might try doing that, it sounds like a pretty good idea.

super kurosaki 03-12-2014 11:33 PM

ah nice man, goodluck pking hope ill see you on the leaderboards

Oj Fowler 03-13-2014 01:54 AM

I'm going to piss a lot of people off trying to get to 10k spar wins

GOAT 03-13-2014 01:58 AM

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Posted by iHot (Post 459412)
Why is this such a controversial topic? It's merely a reward for the people who have worked hard to get better at something.

Because a big percent of the community wants something that makes them unique or stand out in their own mind. Whether it be by being the first to do something or having a “rare” hat. So, when someone mentions a reward idea in which they will automatically receive the award other people will see it as unfair. Example, if they used thallens #’s I would get 4 hats automatically. Is that fair to the newer players? especially since I haven’t logged in to classic in a long time.



OT: I'm not against rewards but the manner in which rewards are handled should be though out. Personally I would prefer seasonal competitions in which you would have to buy a ticket to participate. 4 seasons, 4 categories, pk,spar,bk, and yes bug collection.

iHot 03-13-2014 02:24 AM

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Posted by GOAT (Post 459494)
Because a big percent of the community wants something that makes them unique or stand out in their own mind. Whether it be by being the first to do something or having a “rare” hat. So, when someone mentions a reward idea in which they will automatically receive the award other people will see it as unfair. Example, if they used thallens #’s I would get 4 hats automatically. Is that fair to the newer players? especially since I haven’t logged in to classic in a long time.



OT: I'm not against rewards but the manner in which rewards are handled should be though out. Personally I would prefer seasonal competitions in which you would have to buy a ticket to participate. 4 seasons, 4 categories, pk,spar,bk, and yes bug collection.

They should just make a little shop with a few hats in there lol. Like the old PK shop.

Fire Surge 03-13-2014 02:50 AM

The coding for this would be very simple.

Something similar to:

PHP Code:

Function onPlayerTouchsme {
  If (
WhateverVariableKillsAreStoredIn==Whatever #) {
  //Give Hat Code Here
  
}
  If (
WhateverVariableSparWinsAreStoredIn==Whatever #) {
  //Give Hat Code Here
  
}



Even though I literally just wrote the above in 5 seconds, it's unlikely that this will be made due to the fact that it takes the graphics team two weeks for a hat update.

Kendama 03-13-2014 02:53 AM

Yeah guys more hats yay woohoo bring on the heat

yurhomi 03-13-2014 03:20 AM

Hats should be somewhat decent though. Personally, I think a GFX competition should be held so hats are somewhat alright and admins approve on submissions. Just an idea though.

Aaron 03-13-2014 03:43 AM

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Posted by fp4 (Post 459253)
ok we'll do it.

People have been asking for this since forever and now that one more person made a thread about it, it'll just be so? K, might as well ask for a better "brown" now, again. Brb making thread.

Wolfie 03-13-2014 04:16 AM

If they add those rewards, I can't wait to see the boosters.


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