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Irving 06-28-2014 10:38 AM

Heads stolen and how it happens.
 
You may have heard of heads being stolen on graal and its very easy to do so with the cache files option. People shouldnt have their hardwork stolen people use file manger or ifile to get heads tjat people have made themselves and did not realsse to the public i think this option should be removed and that graal files for heads and such should be encrypted to prevent heads getting stolen its not fair to the owners. If you have had a head stolen that was your own work example not from depot it was probaly cause of the ifile and file manger.i have experimented. With these things and found out how easy it is to steal another persons work wich is disappointing using ifile and file manger can help you get anything really wich isnt fair to the people who worked hard. I think the cache option should be removed to prevent heads getting stolen and that graal files become more secure and encrypted

4-Lom 06-28-2014 02:30 PM

I drew my own head. I have had tons of requests on where/how to get it... also had people begging me to make one for them...

The point is... in the end... it's a game.

Irving 06-28-2014 08:31 PM

Exactly shouldn't we make the game a bit better and more custom for a specific player?

fp4 06-28-2014 09:33 PM

Removal of cached files will never happen, imagine deleting and reinstalling the app every time you play it because that's what getting rid of the cache would be like.

Now Stefan could have the client store all assets in an encrypted container but that would require the client to have the decryption key, he could make the key difficult to find but someone will eventually figure out how to decrypt it and it'll become another tool you have to run to access the files. Not to mention it'll have a pretty negative impact on the performance of the game in the process.

If someone wants a head bad enough they're going to get it and the effort to slow down the process isn't worth it. We can either not allow customs uploads at all or deal with the occasional piracy.

CM 06-28-2014 10:22 PM

Someone was selling a head someone made for me a long time ago for a free guild hat, and when I asked him where he got it he said he made it :(

MrSimons 06-28-2014 10:31 PM

I think if you're seriously going to get really upset over someone taking your custom you made (most people just edit customs anyway?...) then you shouldn't upload it to a game where you KNOW people can download and use your customs.

And like fp4 said, removing the Cache files option for Graal is a horrible idea, not just because it'd be like re-downloading the game every time you play. But not everyone uses it to steal graphics...

CM 06-28-2014 10:40 PM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 485110)
I think if you're seriously going to get really upset over someone taking your custom you made (most people just edit customs anyway?...) then you shouldn't upload it to a game where you KNOW people can download and use your customs.

And like fp4 said, removing the Cache files option for Graal is a horrible idea, not just because it'd be like re-downloading the game every time you play. But not everyone uses it to steal graphics...

I'm not saying to remove Cache files, I'm saying how it's annoying that people take files from there and claim them as their own. I couldn't say much since my friend made it for me. It doesn't bother me anymore since I don't use the custom any longer, but it bothered me then.

Smoke 06-28-2014 10:46 PM

Become an admin you will have the right to refund those who copy you :p

Phantos 06-28-2014 10:47 PM

We used to be very mad that other servers would take our stuff, but there was actually some sort of language in the ToS for a while about anything uploaded becoming the property of Graal Online for use in any of its servers. By the time we fought to have it removed or reconsidered, most of us had become ambivalent about people using our resources.

twilit 06-29-2014 03:21 AM

The only thing I dont like about the image cache is the memory it eats when 243523453829457 people upload their retina-revolting heads that I unwillingly have to see. But I like my game loading faster than the cache-less flash client. so no.

Kyle Del. M. H. 06-29-2014 08:29 AM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 485110)
I think if you're seriously going to get really upset over someone taking your custom you made (most people just edit customs anyway?...) then you shouldn't upload it to a game where you KNOW people can download and use your customs.

And like fp4 said, removing the Cache files option for Graal is a horrible idea, not just because it'd be like re-downloading the game every time you play. But not everyone uses it to steal graphics...

People stole your heads and you got upset and went to master li's to only master the key of learning "it's a game" you then teach people the ways of not hating people for taking their heads. You are a wise one mr.simons, very wise.

Kendama 06-29-2014 04:33 PM

Yeah cache system will not be removed. And by the way your head was not stolen, it is not your head it is the property of stefan knorr

Dragoon Victory 06-29-2014 06:48 PM

Lol.
It's public when you upload it.

Craftz 06-29-2014 07:00 PM

Once you upload it, it's the property of Graal Online, not you.

Sicx 06-29-2014 08:23 PM

that's why whenever I create a head I make it say "Sicx" like all over lol

MrSimons 06-30-2014 02:29 AM

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Posted by Sicx (Post 485285)
that's why whenever I create a head I make it say "Sicx" like all over lol

The only problem with that is that you're ugly now. I think it is just best to upload heads that are more unique, and dont look like the typical graalian head.

Kendama 06-30-2014 04:24 AM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 485354)
The only problem with that is that you're ugly now. I think it is just best to upload heads that are more unique, and dont look like the typical graalian head.

ye!

Droid 06-30-2014 06:33 PM

There should definitely be a way of adding the artists name to the graphic. This would at least give credit to the maker. Couldn't this then be used when someone uploads? The original creator could get the message asking if they give permission?
Idk.

Kendama 06-30-2014 09:36 PM

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Posted by Droid (Post 485574)
There should definitely be a way of adding the artists name to the graphic. This would at least give credit to the maker. Couldn't this then be used when someone uploads? The original creator could get the message asking if they give permission?
Idk.

could be very easily bypassed

MrSimons 06-30-2014 10:22 PM

Quote:

Posted by Droid (Post 485574)
There should definitely be a way of adding the artists name to the graphic. This would at least give credit to the maker. Couldn't this then be used when someone uploads? The original creator could get the message asking if they give permission?
Idk.

not really. i can upload any graphic i want and say i made it but that doesn't make it true.

CM 07-01-2014 06:25 AM

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Posted by Craftz1 (Post 485278)
Once you upload it, it's the property of Graal Online, not you.

It's the fact that stealers claim that they made the gfx is what bothers a lot of people. It's true: once you upload it to the server, it technically belongs to the server, but still, nobody has the right to claim that they made it. Nothing to do with ownership.

Aaron 07-01-2014 07:35 AM

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Posted by fp4 (Post 485090)
We can either not allow customs uploads at all

This please.

Blueh 07-01-2014 10:20 AM

I get really confused when guys wear super feminine heads with that kitty face and long hair and **** and it looks better than some of the female heads and I'm sure someone tried to hit on one of these people at least once without knowing.

Yami 07-01-2014 01:20 PM

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Posted by MrSimons (Post 485354)
The only problem with that is that you're ugly now.

lol

kenthefruit 07-02-2014 12:29 AM

If someone 'steals' your head, be flattered. It's basically saying they like your work, sometimes to the extent of claiming it as their own.

twilit 07-02-2014 04:22 AM

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Posted by Aaron (Post 485741)
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Posted by fp4
We can either not allow customs uploads at all

This please.

Didnt see this until Aaron quoted. but YES. Custom uploads was the first of Classic's Two Worse Decisions ever made (the second being the creation of the "FB Server" <no comment>).

the following is a rant. Half of which is my own opinion, half of which is not really opinion, but the popular opinion (meaning half of this is just exaggerating/trolling)
Spoiler

Spoiler
I wont go on and on about the eye-irritating horrible gfx, the disgust of graphics stealing and recoloring, edits of edits of an original, gifs, rainbows, :3 faces, miley cyrus heads, or the fact that the crap ton of caches eats ipod memory like american obesity, but


The introduction of custom head and body uploads meant the end of selling heads and bodies in shops around the overworld. (Besides the fact that this increased the volume of image files on the server and caches on iDevices by a billion-fold), this meant graphics staff no longer made heads and bodies and all heads and bodies were removed from shops (the sole exception being the monkey).

However, the unintended consequences cascaded. Because the graphics staff no longer made heads or bodies, the primary focus of the GAT staff instantly became hats. And this all happened only months before the creation of the FB Server, the second of Classic's Two Worst Decisions ever made. The Eden for the genesis of recycling 1k guilds, and the birth of hat chasers. A server that rewards a hat for sitting in a tower AFK for 41.7 days straight, and has a graphics team that almost solely makes hats to sell. And that my dear children is how Classic became the hat server.

Blueh 07-02-2014 04:29 AM

I think it'd be better if each player was limited to a certain amount of custom heads they could own at once. But of course, if you thought the 5k .gif hat decision was bad, wait until you see people burn a hole through their butt after crapping themselves when seeing something like that implemented.

Rufus 07-02-2014 12:33 PM

Nothing will be done to uploads, specifically heads, because it is their biggest earner on Classic. You'd think custom heads would make the world seem more diverse, but to me it seems like we have less unique people overall now. Might just be nostalgia talking or something though.

Dragoon Victory 07-02-2014 02:56 PM

....

Quote:

Posted by Blueh (Post 485875)
I think it'd be better if each player was limited to a certain amount of custom heads they could own at once. But of course, if you thought the 5k .gif hat decision was bad, wait until you see people burn a hole through their butt after crapping themselves when seeing something like that implemented.

Need I remind you those are sprites you are supposedly sexually attracted to?

Blueh 07-02-2014 05:09 PM

Well, if you incest...

CM 07-02-2014 06:23 PM

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Posted by Blueh (Post 486007)
Well, if you incest...

omg :'(

Uploads aren't going anywhere, they're one of the main sources of income for the server. (Kids using their mom's credit card to buy gralats to upload a head)

Kendama 07-03-2014 12:20 AM

Quote:

Posted by Rufus (Post 485977)
Nothing will be done to uploads, specifically heads, because it is their biggest earner on Classic. You'd think custom heads would make the world seem more diverse, but to me it seems like we have less unique people overall now. Might just be nostalgia talking or something though.

Im suprised rufus had to come here and tell all you morons this. This should be common sense after all the time we have spent on Graal and learning about the owners.

Phantos 07-03-2014 12:34 AM

I do think it is a bit ignorant to assume that custom uploads will ever go away, but I don't think anyone is a moron for wanting it to be true.

That being said, I do like that there are so many people and with so many unique looks. Even small variations on the same head are nice and let people stand out in a crowd of literally hundreds of players.

Even my rosiest tinted glasses can't nostalgia-shine the fact that desktop graal never had that many players or that many different looks. It's great what you have now, in my opinion.

Thallen 07-09-2014 09:28 PM

still makes 0 sense to me why they cache iDevice files but not PC files

Zayno 08-01-2014 03:58 PM

lmao I love how Graalians steal your customs by using IFILE or whatever cheating/hacking stuff these days,And Claim its their head ,I actually used to enjoy that ,I mean They uploaded your Head ,So you don't have to worry about if it sucks :D

Dusty 08-01-2014 04:32 PM

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Posted by Thallen (Post 487851)
still makes 0 sense to me why they cache iDevice files but not PC files

Probably don't cache because they can't. If they could, they probably would as it would save them a lot of bandwidth.


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