Better system for banning people.
 

Hello these are ideas and my own Opinion!!

The way the old system of banning isn't a correct choice for classic period it consists of so many false bans and outrageous ban hours.

1.Have the admins look into the report and instead of just clicking the ban botton.
2.Hiring a new set of gp,I dont mean fire the old ones but hire a few new ones
3.Have a warning system because 99% of people don't get a warning for whatever they do but for hacking should be instant.
4.Have a staff to investigate the player,so many people file false reports
5.if u do get ban add a maximum of one month like era has done ive seen someone with 8000+hrs i think thats a bit extreme.

I notice alot of vet players getting ban for unknown reason it would seem graal loves getting rid of people who has spent some time on this game...all they can do is make new acc spend more money and adding t graal money books. Sorry about the mess im doing this on a phone and thx for reading

They do, well I'm assuming they do otherwise it would be ridiculous and half the server would be banned. I'm pretty sure staff need proof to ban someone anyway.

They are almost always hiring new GPs here: http://graalonlineclassic.com/gpapp.php

I'm pretty sure they do have a warning system, at least they used to. I doubt they warn for more serious offences such as hacking and severe vulgarity as that sort of thing deserves an instant ban. Xavier compiled a list of punishments and offences here, these contain warnings: http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...22&postcount=6
I'm pretty sure they would investigate the player by actually seeing if they committed the offence they were reported for, they don't just ban everyone who is reported.

For certain offences maybe. The problem with short bans is that people don't always learn from what they have done and might go on and do the exact same thing they were banned for as soon as they are unbanned, long bans are a sort of way of scaring people by stopping them from committing future offences as well as being a punishment.

8000+ hours is a year. If they were banned for a year it was for repeatedly committing one of the more serious offenses.

nop

I was banned for this long for letting a friend on my acct for a day lol.

Or you can just follow the rules and not worry about being banned. Most people don't find pleasure in banning people for no reason. It sounds like you or a friend was banned for doing something wrong and you are bitter about it.

They should remove bans and bring back the jail that was more aesthetically enjoyable.

Consequences and punishments are not supposed to be enjoyable.

The torture was the fact that you could chat but no one could hear you. You talked to yourself for hours eventually you went mad and crawled to a corner and began to think everyone was plotting against you. You're finally released and all you think is I never want to go through that torture ever again.

Thats more amusing to the staff, so why did they remove it?

Ppl found a way to glitch out of it by lagging themselves to the point where the unstick me button would come up.

Never understood why Graal didn't make more efficient use of the whole jailing system. I don't even think I played iClassic actively when it existed, but on PC you basically just sit in a level until your time expired.

Why not:

• Require the player answer a certain amount of randomly generated math problems
• Require the player re-type a certain amount long strings of randomly generated phrases or sentences
• Require the player touch some sort of object that constantly moves around the level a certain number of times

Atlantis actually had something like this, where you had to use their mining system a mine a certain amount of ore until you were finally allowed to get out. IDK, seems like stuff like that actually encourages people to not do things again since it actually demands a level of effort from the punished player.

1. They do check reports... Players aren't even supposed to be banned without evidence.
2. They do, all the time.
3. Total bull**** when people say they have no idea what they did.
4. Refer to 1.
5. Why? If all they are gonna do is mess things up why does anyone want them on the server?

This one actually seems pretty good, though the amount would be more complicated, like how would a 1 month ban compare to the amount of the required activity they'd need to do in your idea. Just something to consider

Most servers use both a jailing and banning system. Usually you only get banned if you are hacking (stealing someone's account/using 3rd party programs to impact the game). For everything else usually servers just jail you for whatever time they assign or feel like. So, if iClassic took on this approach is wouldn't matter about translating ban times.

i remember when i was a noob.i got banned for calling someone a bitch who was bullying me for my opinion(a short paragraph of what happend)
1.random guy comes in.says something insulting or something
2.i know he said i was gey :sarcastic: im like wtf.
3.there were two and i got a warning for calling someone a bitc :'( worste day of my life. luckily i got idenified and the ban went away.

here is a short story of how i got banned on my noob account and i forgot to delete app and redownload it before i trolled people

1.i put a status to go to www.urmom dot com
2.someone said:u better take down ur sexy status or ill ban ur ass(take down your status or i will report you)
3.i got warning and got status reset.i put back status and got banned
4.tried to log out and to pro account but failed and said i was banned.
5.i sent a email saying that my friend was on my account(my friend was never on my account)yes i am a liar :)
6.i got unbanned with a email saying if ur friend does it again we will not unban u:unsure: so i cant use dat bit again unless they dont remember my email.


still the admins kind of do ban u for the wrong reason :/ they listen to ur report.and they dont have alot of admins online.kind of wish they have a admin in every room like spar or something:/ a jail would be nice

I hope you know a lot of staff use these forums.
Someone re-ban her lol.

There was this one time where I was banned for having my 2P mount breath 5 fire breaths (when they came out). I was banned for a month, which would be a reasonable amount of time (If this were an actual offense lmao). All i'm saying is i was banned by a person who's name started with an A (ended with a ster.). Anyways, I appealed and nothing happened. I think staff do need a little more knowledge of the game before banning. Like at Sardons how sometimes when you're attacking you die and end up in the 2nd Server, which makes you appear like you're running up walls before you enter the room to actually attack, and when you do enter the room you get stuck in the black. So I hope after some people read this they will take into consideration all the contributing factors BEFORE using the ban hammer.

Ban her for twice as much time now :0

can i get some more clues please :D

Their name was "A" and they were in the guild "(ended with a ster.)".

Sorry I don't like spoiling things :3

Yea I agree with this post. One of my tower friends, Angel, recently got banned for that reason. Lol I know I always post videos :P But my video basically shows how it looks like when someone's glitched. It gets mistaken for hacking, and I don't think that it should even be a serious issue because players can just unstick. But sometimes other players report too soon, and that makes the GP's think that these players are hacking. When players die while lagging or if the server lags, then it respawns these players into an empty lobby like what AutumnFeast says. Even if staffs don't fix the glitch, I hope that they'll keep in mind that players aren't trying to hack in Sardons.

This problem is a similar case to the Sardon's one. I towered at Swamp for the past few months, and I always see bug catchers "hacking" up the walls. I think staffs should try to fix this problem before banning further players lol.. If one of the staff members could sit in Swamp tower's flag room for 15-20 minutes, I'm sure they would see that it's not the player's fault. I don't think any of the bug catchers are aware that their character is overlapping onto everyone else' screen. To them, they probably see themselves on the grass catching bugs... but to us, we see their characters walking through walls. That's probably what happened to you on ViP island!

this is your lowkey way of saying you want to be gp.

I do think they should hire new ones.
I don't really want to be one, because I remember how much spam I used to get and if I compare with admins now, I guess it's even worst.
But maybe they should modify the questions and perhaps add new ones.
Also maybe less complicated questions, I've seen a bunch of players which had the capacity of being a good admin, but the questions made them feel incompetent for the job.(I know it sounds weird but that's how they felt)
Also maybe they should try to ask peeps in game when they see that someone is really implicated in being admin.
Sorry again if this is too long.
Perhaps some of these ideas were good, perhaps they weren't.

Okay, why don't we do this? Just give everyone a ban bug and if you put it on someone, he will be put on graal trial, and if he's proven guilty from a 2/3 vote of Guilty. he will be banned from 3-33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 333 Hours. sounds good? now stfu http://www.graalians.com/cards/image...fpvrqia80aileo

That bug/glitch or whatever you want to call it has been around forever. I can't believe how ******ed some of the admins are for banning people for that. Idiots lol.

Please hire more staff. I love walking into the info kiosk only to see you've hired more morons, then a month later they get fired, then another month later the get rehired..it's a really good laugh actually.

What's more amusing is that after someone gets fired on Classic, they apply for a job on Zone. I can't help but laugh.

keep angel banned.

Way to hide your ignorance, especially when we provided all the evidence that this ban should be lifted.

I think we should stop hiring people that just sit around and chat all day, unless there were admins that specialized in certain categories (e.g. Towers, Spar, and Player Relations.) I sound stupid here because I'm going to contradict what I just said. One reason why I feel why we shouldn't hire admins for these kinds of things is because they might be biased (although they usually are already.) but that's the main point. Admins specializing in certain categories is what we need. I wish Gp's were more involved in graal so these kinds of things wouldn't even have to be brought up.

that video was staged those are all graalian actors. #keepangelbanned2k14
I know because Lia had us audition for the separate roles and I didn't make the cut since apparently I was unable to conceal my pr0anbu pk skills as the part of the noob pk girl that leaves the scene at 1:03 in that video. xoxoez AVS

you guys act like the whole Angel thing is some unheard of and unjust incident, yet some of the same people trying to get him unbanned are some of the same players who would report others for that very same thing just to try and get someone banned because they don't like them or can't get a tower from them
not saying that he should be banned, because he obviously shouldn't, but taking advantage of how stupid some of the staff are is just as bad as being the fish-brain staff member who administers the ban

staff just need to stay the hell out of sparring and towers if they don't know the game and don't know what they're doing
such as:


posted about it here
I'm sure some 12-year-old admin that was hired that same week was the one who handed out the warning, and I'm sure they viewed it as a "lag block" because they're clueless about the game

and so on:

bottom line is that there are too many staff who don't know how how to moderate the gameplay of the game rather than just the social BS, like harassment, so they just need to stay out of it until they get proper "training"

not to mention, 90% of this stuff that causes issues at towers can be fixed from a scripting standpoint
friend of mine is currently banned for 3 months because she had a lag spike in the middle of a narrow hallway at a tower (a tower being defended 15 vs. 3 or something), just stay out of towers if you don't know what you're doing or have the more intelligent staff (Dusty, FP4) fix things through scripting

unban angel, he did nothing wrong, and the staff have just been kind of um.. "not smart" for a few years.
i once got a warning for hacking off-map when i was simply standing on the cliff to the right of the battle arena during the short period when there were stairs to it. i also got banned once because somebody was cursing near me and i wasn't a part of it at all.
i think a better job needs to be done when it comes to picking out who deserves to be a staff member and who doesn't.

I remember the time I was banned for severe harassment when I didn't even PM or talk to anybody in the last few days :/

"Did you hacked?"

L.M.F.A.O.

I forgot to mention, if you're gonna hire bilingual staff, please make sure they speak fluently in both languages. I had my status reset and warned for having the word "sh!t" in my status. Then I went to the kiosk to see who was actually online and there was only one staff online. I asked them why they warned me, and they could barely make out my sentence. I asked him/her if I could put idgaf in my status, they didn't know what it meant.

A few days later my friend had her status reset and warned because she had the word "fuq" in her status. Also, a towering friend of mine had some thing like "After (such and such [nothing innapropriate at all btw]) We will use this guild to pk Racists and cheaters." His status was reset (not sure if he was warned or not) but still. Have some common sense staff, really...

I sure hope that fellow is bilingual.

Smoke we were supposed to keep that a secret!!

They are allowed to ban you if you're using a censored word on the game lol. The banning system is actually fine the way it is when it comes to harassment/vulgarity/inappropriate things but I agree with the first post that Avyiz wrote. There should be some steps before banning someone(only if the ban consists of more than 1000+ hours). Other than that, players shouldn't complain if their ban is only for a week or so lol. For example, if it's hacking, they could check to see which device the player is on. I'm not sure if you can even hack on an idevice but if you can't, then staffs should consider other options for that player. Something that they could do is check the history pm's of that player to see if the player has talked about hacking to someone else, or they could disconnect/warp that player if they don't see anything related to hacking.

Mhm. There was a longstanding glitch that occurred when players would catch a bug then immediately use their mounts. On their screen, everything would look normal (although sometimes other players would disappear), but on other players' screens, said bug catcher would be in a completely different spot, appearing to run through any and all walls/obstacles in their path. It's very saddening to hear that anyone was actually banned for this.

However, the bug catching/mount glitch/bug was recently fixed.

Regarding the topic at hand, I do believe there are a lot of times where someone is banned for just reason, yet still falsely claims that they didn't do anything. But when someone is banned as a result of an in-game bug that was in no way their fault, that's something else entirely, and should never happen.

It's one thing to unintentionally find yourself bugged(like with Sardon's Tower). It's another to intentionally exploit a very powerful glitch, especially when you don't attempt to report said glitch. People who abused the horse/bug catching glitch deserve to be banned.

The Sardon bug has been forwarded to Xor and he's going to brief staff on its existence, which should help cut back on the unjustified bans.

I believe a torture system should be involved....

No, I agree with that. I was solely referring to the people who had no idea of the glitch. Not the people who were exploiting it to try and get off-map (or whatever else people were doing).

taking one of their "rare" hats would be a nice form of torture :D

man, you gotta format that and throw a period in there somewhere, WTF

I'm pretty out of breath after reading it.

hahahha just pretty pd off bro.

Look closely, there is one lone period.

I spotted two! Double trouble!

Keep Angel Ban!

But the system does have some weakeness to it but they do allow you to appel to it so that is the good part before you couldn't at all.

Sharing accounts is a reason to ban for because many accounts do get stolen and the player cries about it and blame the staff. Dont share you account and you wont get ban.

You should have to pay money on iTunes to get out of ban