Complete gun overhaul i did.
 

So since zone is going to **** and one of the reasons is guns. I figured out a way to balance out all the weapons and make weapons effective at different situations. I came up with the following

Assault rifles- all around guns, medium damage, rof, range, there not bad or amazing at anything and all around a solid choice. base gun, Photon rifle

SMGs- guns that have no knockback and allow very high manuverability, low damage, fast rof, short range, and unlike other guns, the bullet spawns from the player making the player if you touch them and they fire the gun, you take damage, however they can not shoot through cover. They also have the fastest t2ks in game. base gun, grass gun.

long range- guns that have higher bullet velocity, longer range, and massive damage, base gun watermelon gun

MG's, low damage, high clip size, high rof, massive spread, massive knockback medium range. These are great for suppressing other players and also have fast t2ks. base gun plasma chaingun.


with these i took the time to determine the catagories of the guns too and what they should be changed, im basing these in fastest t2ks at the bottom and slowest.
The numbers next to the guns name are their time to kill meaning how long it would mathmatically take to kill someone. If theres stuff underneath it. That is changes i made


have a spread sheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1864426550

Just your intro makes me not want to read what you have to say :rolleyes:

Dont deny that zones going to ****. If your not all into stats n stuff, then no this isnt your thread

More players and content sure is disastrous :)!

More players that are doing nothing but sit at start and in the trade center when we need people to start pking and filling up bases round the clock until its like era where theres always people in a base

is this not what everyone complains about?

Was an interesting post in the OP, will +rep for it.

Tbh, I hate basing and pk is boring and pointless to me personally. There's nothing better or more entertaining to do than sitting at start or in trade center. There is 0 roleplay content, so people like me chill at start and the trade center. Sometimes I might go kill people at bases for entertainment, but I'm usually sitting around or away making graphics lol

As of recently I've been doing missions for money though.

well theres no point to tower if dudes with rippers will insta you anyways

Basing on iZone is just an extensive way for players to get a hat. No one actually bases to base, or go beyond. No point in trying to force a change, it will come in time. That's why I'm actually happy to see iEra players migrating to iZone now. They're used to basing continously and might change dynamics on iZone.

#Ghettoicedtea for GA.

FINALLY! dem ripper spammer be no more! Actually I have no knowledge about these stats so i hope .2 is slower than the rippers we have now..

:) I just hope they are nice.

.2 is photon ROF meaning its fast, but its incredibly hard to shoot fast

Me @ rippers.
I think rippers should've never been made in the first place.
It's basically the zone version of a BAR, except it's not a rifle.

Yeah yeah, though I agree for different reasons. You want better guns? Convince Stefan to stop being a dumbass and raise the max health to 100 so you can have greater room for balancing and letting guns actually be different and unique, rather than having .2 differences.

Rippers have always been a top gun in Zone with decent speed, 20 damage and being stealth-ish. The only offset they had on PC was that they were slower than most hand guns for firing and had a small clip; easily offset by the appirces which fired 2 bullets per gun (4 shots with 2) and did 9 damage each at a slightly faster rate. Normally appirces beat the rippers due to spread and speed, buuuuuuuut, you guys aren't that lucky. I'm sorry.

Shadowfox bby, I won't smack you for wanting RP content, but you need to know that RP is not for Zone at all. Zone SHOULD be a pure PK fest. Leave the RPing to the degenerates on iClassic.

#RemoveSquadsBasesAndMakeAllPlanetsSupport1To4Team sWhichAreOnlyAtMostOffSetBy1Person

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oh man if zone had 100 hp then god damn i could really balance **** out. Because i agree with you actually, the whole .04 crap really doesn't make a huge difference, it only really makes a difference in the ease of the tap fire and how forgiving the gun will be if you goof up (or if it will even be able to tap fire)

also i think you and me are on the same page for the most part on why its going to ****. its making the same mistakes as era did, but zone can be fixed, gun wise at least since theres no huge price margin.

yes so what? In era i can walk in a base and get action very very fast and gang wars of 7v7s happen all the time, also waiting times on waiting for people to come to the base is small and theres lots of action. In zone i walk into a base and theres either no one there, or 18 people there all in the same squad. Action in bases is very slow and no fun waiting around waiting for attackers. No one will complain about getting action from other squads and actual competition

The gemeni challenges are fun lol

I have photon you can tap fire really fast or slow at times. If you miss a rhythmic tap it's slow.

Meh. I don't care too much for their ******ed weaponry, gun ideas and such. Even though they're completely ignoring the weapons like magnums, mortars, chainsaw, etc.

What really gets me is all of this pointless and useless content they're adding that's not even Zone. It's everything BUT Zone.

it really doesnt match up with PC zone and the resemblence is at .5 maybe

What IS Zone?

I'm sorry, but iZone is not going in the direction of the original PC Zone, we have no intent to either, and are currently focused on going a totally different path. You're just going to have to learn that this is a different Zone.

then why is it called zone? The PC zone was great, ****, PC in general was from what i heard a blast until managment got greedy. Why not try to replicate the PC version instead of making this classic crap.

I hope you're not asking me.

I really cant understand your format for the 'Gun Balancing' can you put it in a easier to read format.

If it'll get him to stop posting these walls of texts, hire GIT for GA.

Honestly, I've never seen someone be so stubborn and dedicated as he is when it comes to an iOS MMORPG that a few people in the world know and care about.

Oh yes, GIT will fit right in when it comes to the stubborn part.

If you can balance the guns for 100 hp then u can balance them for 50. Do your setup for 100 hp then half the stats or whatever. 50 hp and 100 hp doesn't make that much difference... 100 HP only allows for higher damage. So just lower the damage.

I could though just go make a spreadsheet on excel and post the stats on there for what the guns should be like. Ill get on that

Higher damage outputs though allow more flexibility with higher damage meaning you can make a gun with higher price on it like a gun below it but with higher damage but still have the same t2ks. I get what your saying but i go into a different mentality for balancing when i hear 100hp.

Thats because i see so much potental in graal and it would be a blast game of the year all year every year if done right. Era dun goofed it up. Zone is heading down the same path era did and Zone is slowly becoming popular. i do not want to see the same mistakes made twice.

It would be the same exact thing regardless. 100hp makes no difference at all. Price would still be high for weapons that are better.

The jobs do stink...a bit...

Please don't make Rippers in to a more op auto machine gun.

Well i don't care about the prices, but at least better weapons are not so annoying to fight against

My gripe is that you can't balance guns to be very much different. With 100 hp you can make guns go from 9-21 damage with a whole slew of effects, styles and even make some guns shoot more than one bullet to make up for their weak damage. You make niche and are able to add a whole tonne of weapon variety, instead of guns just doing 3-5 with a .1 fire rate difference here or +.08 degree spread there and calling it a day.

Compare the damage spread and such of Zone and iZone. You have G18s which do 10 damage but fire the fastest of the pistols while you also have rippers hitting 19 now (used to be 20) with the lowest fire rate. Then you have appirces which is in a class of its own with 4 bullets and the G10s which hit 14 and so on. I don't give a **** about prices. While on iZone you have guns doing 3-5 damage with very minor differences in stats. It gets old quick.

As stated before the HP doesn't matter. Can still do the same exact thing with 50 HP. The HP on the servers will never change. Stefan wont allow it. I now see that it is really pointless to change the HP. These guns can be changed exactly how you all want them even with 50 HP. Just will have low damage weapons with different effects. Instead of having 9-21 damage we can have 1-9 damage. Same exact thing will happen.

so i edited down all this crap before, and this is a rough draft for now.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1864426550

Ok, so first thing is that bullet distance is on effected in missions. Outside of missions the bullets just continue until they hit a wall. So that 3/4th ipad screen it pointless.

Will update more as I read.

I don't see very many changes made. The guns are basically the same thing that they are now. With some small changes. Bullet damages are pretty much the same some with faster bullets and some slower. Don't be afraid to set bullet damages low. You are the one that was actually complaining about the weapons. I know this is a rough draft but not many changes were made.

i think you are wrong on this one because if you chase down the bullet you shot, it will go away without it hitting a wall. But no as of now most things are not super effected since this is a very rough draft, plus im only focusing on the shop guns + pez, not the holiday guns. Also in your description of range it never says only used in missions. I think your confused with the bullets speed thats only used in missions.

if i am wrong, then please make it so the bullets have a distance on it. It would open up so much more oppertunity for balancing and really change how the game is played. If anything, it would make all the zera bs go away since in era guns are all the same range and in zone they aren't, meaning some guns are better than others in close quarters, or at range, or this guns roll is to put a ton of bullets down range etc.

I am pretty sure it only effects the missions. I will check it out though.


Edit: Seems that is does effect the overworld as well.

updated the chart a bit.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1864426550

and seriously, how many tiles is 3/4 of an ipad screen? my guess is 10

Probably 10 yeah. Doesn't shoot very far at all.

Take a snapshot of screen put ima pixel art editor with a grid of 16x16 and count then multiply by 3/4

thats the point, these guns will be dominate in close quarter areas such as gemini, and conquest due to their T2Ks are significantly lower than other guns but they get smaller clips and cannot shoot through walls. Thus to be effective with these guns, it requires a very aggressive play style and getting up in peoples aces. Might be a bit OP for spar though.

Yeah... 10 barely shoots far in front of you. Wouldn't even make it 1/4 the way to the other side of spar (small spar). It's basically a melee.

that don't work then. What the idea i had in mind was if you go into the first room in gemini, go to the wall on the let side, fire and then the bullet vanishes by the time it gets to the 2nd door. That i estimated with removing the black stuff was approx 3/4 of my ipad screen.
also i cleaned up the page by removing all those extra empty columns and the script IDs tash put in and removed everything that was either not released or not a gun.

Something tha may seem similar to the various details you laid out is the grenade launchers range and power they only thing is that it shoots like that due to the gravity. You can always estimate different bullet distances in the ranges of 15-25.

Not even playing iZone, GITs idea for guns is pretty good, even if you can't make HP 100.

I hit a bump in the road, im completely stumped on how to balance the alien pistol. Its expensive and hard as hell to get (easily harder than rippers) and i do not want it to be a god gun cause then everyone will get it, nor should it be a showoff gun like it is now. I dont have the gun so i got no clue how it feels and i can only go off stats. Currently, i have it a .01 rof faster than photon allowing a slightly faster t2k and an easy tap fire. But im stumped on slightly decreasing the clip size, decreasing recoil, and range tinkering. Any suggestions?

so i have no clue how this sounds to everyone else, but the rail gun i made into a god gun with the fastest t2k and a 30 clip. Most of you are like Ghetto wot r u doin? BUT if theres a god gun then i want to add in Shooter Hitpoints, from my understanding of it, the user takes damage every time they use the gun. So with this, i wanted to add in a Shooter Hitpoint of 1.5 meaning in a 30 clip, they will use up 45 HP to use 1 clip of this gun. So i don't know if this type of thing would be tolerated in the zone community and how it would play out... My biggest worry is people will abuse the gun and commit suicide to keep their streaks alive or reset their bounty

Could always suggest that you let it weaken them to 0.5 health, slow them tremendously (if they try to use it at 0.5-1.5 health), not fire and instead make them a sitting duck for the next 5 seconds for being a dumbass.

Cookie and Ghetto should be a GA duo for iZone. They'd either leave it burning, which wouldn't be too much of a difference, or balance the sh*t out of the server and make it an actual fun place to pk/base/spar/whatever.

gg no re

Shooter Hitpoints is not actually set up. The difference between AP Rippers and the Rail Gun is that people bought it with Gralats. Not Zone Coins.